Is Communism really that bad?

Is Communism really that bad? You decide.

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I have.

reply to post by 1111111111111

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Hi one, Its the waiting in endless lines for everything that gets me. But I'm used to the free enterprise, supply and demand system where everyone tries their best to provide a good, efficient product in a timely manner. Please the customer, the customer is always right, etc. That does not and will never happen in your idealistic communist system. Proven time and again. Arcaic....

In theory, communism is great.

It's kind of like democracy.

The problem comes when you put the theory to work and a few choice people gain too much power. First, the power corrupts them, and then they use the power they have gained to corrupt the system for their own personal gain.

This same problem is going on currently in the United States (and most countries). A few people gained WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much power and they have ruined the system for the lower classes (YES, we DO still live in a class based system, the classes are just more well hidden).

To quote John Lennon (who said it best) "You think you're so clever and classless and free, but you're still (F-Bomb) peasants as far as I can see..."


and to finish that off,

"a working class hero is something to be",
Jasn

I dont know too much about the inner workings of communism, but the word alone just sounds evil

I prescribe to the theory that "isms" are there as an orchestrated distraction.

Communism is now passe, so we have been given terrorism as a replacement.


The next "ism' is going to be a doosey. Some people have already guaged what it will be. Its the buzzword that has me stumped, alienattackism dosnt have the same scary ring to it.

reply to post by KTK

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The worst "ism" the world has EVER faced (and it's still SADLY going on to this day) is religious fundamentalism.

Zionists
Islamic Fundamentalists
Christian Fundamentalists


They are the same devil with a different mask.


Jasn

Communism sounds great but it is not realistic at all.
Communist society is undoubtedly a paradise on the earth, with everyone not in hunger or poverty. Folks lead a happy life in such a perfect world.
However, people in a relax and idle world are inclinable to laziness,which leads to a fall of productivity. There will be not enough food or entertainment for these lazybones and others are not reluctant to afford them for free because we humans are selfish.

Maybe thousands of years later, robot technology is greatly developed and an abundant of robots are available to work instead of human beings,at that time communist society will become a reality.However, it is meaningless to talk about Communism in today's world.

A great number of socialist countries have disappeared in the last century.
Perhaps , China is the next one,but is today's China a pure socialist country? I think it is virtually a capitalistic one.

reply to post by tac109

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Communism is not evil ,whereas the leaders of a communist country are usually evil.

The purpose of communism is to build a world without oppression,and everyone stands equal and lives a rich life.That sounds really great.


To be frank , there is nothing absolutely evil in the world.Dont be brainwashed by those politicians.

I have read up on "communisn", and technically it has never realy been implemented by any country or regime.In fact, you could say there is no such thing as "communism", the Communist Manifesto tells a great deal about what communism SHOULD'NT be, but not much on what it should be.It's basically a "nice" idea which if it could work out, would be great.

Unless you're rich and have it easy of course!
(then it's not such a nice idea)

commuism is brillant. democarcy is a farse. keep people on there toes with strict displine.

stop all drugs, achoical including and one partner system only.
muslim islamic law works a treat to.

you cant do that, it should be a person choice to do drugs if they want to, and not if they dont want too.

Besides, that's NOT "communism"!

Imperialism, stalinism, totalitarianism etc etc etc = Non-Communsim

reply to post by majestikc

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it is a persons choice, then make drugs legal then in all countries.
its bad enough people on alcohol clubbing and been out thinking there having a good time then some not all having sex afterwards and then go and smash peoples windows or start fights or shot people just because there drinking or are on drugs,
however the cannabis plant is to relax the spirit for mediation and was so other drugs but then it was corrupted most of it to do the opposite of the positive.

so legalise the true nature of a drug and not the negative.

what is it then if its not communism?.
In my world if i was head and some will prob comment en go well Wundt live in your world then, that's great

1. one partner in life for sexual intercourse.
2. control on drugs and within a controlled environment and only for positive course's
3. chop tongues out of people who dismiss peoples personality or opinions.
4. chop hands off for thieves and give them robotic arms that we control so we know they wont steal again a bit like a tag.
5. money is stopped, everything material shall be given free people will work to give to each other, if they become selfish they are put in a mental institute for depriving others.
6. control food
7. make the west build homes in africa if they refuse, in prison them.
8. debunk all military assets, if its a lone country make all countries disarm.
9. mediation and spiritual awareness is crucial in schools.
10. school is a choice but must learn the basics of spiritual well begin and why it is important to be GOOD to each other.
11. depopulate the world (which i think now has a good idea in most case's)
12. Put paedophiles' in zoo's with guerrillas raping them.
13. one world peace, peace has to be controlled.
14. homelessness is band and so is mortgage and tax etc, everyone lives well.



no elections, no debates. no power to the people, give people the power to do certain things and they abuse it.



[edit on 11-10-2007 by deathpoet69]

Communism isnt bad at all......well the concept isn't i guess.

It just takes the right person to come along to make it work and so far I dont think anyone has had that ability....maybe there will never be anyone able to make it work

reply to post by deathpoet69

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DeathPoet,

While I don't agree with a few of your points, I very much like the way you think.

Please try to refrain from getting banned around here as I feel you may be a good asset for ATS...just try to keep your pride in check. That's something I had to learn as well.

I whole heartedly agree with you on the sexual partners and the illegal drug situation.


Another word of advice, work on your grammar a bit. (I know, I'm not the best to give advice on this haha but I felt I'd give it anyway.)


Jasn

Death poet,


Number 12 is one of the best ideas I have ever seen written on ATS.

Communism looks good on paper, but doesnt work like it's designed when applied in real life.

The human factor plays a large roll.

elective communism could work, but Forced communism never will.

Um, are you serious? Can you name one country that has flourished under pure communism? Just one. The way I see it, National Socialism has a better track record than communism. Try and figure that one out. It took basically the whole industrialized world to defeat Nazi Germany, but communist regimes have needed much less to be toppled. Just air drop Big macs and any worthless Hollywood movie in a communist country and watch it go. In theory, it's great, as long as you remove personal incentive from the human equation.

But knock yourself, feel free to move to Cuba and bask in the successful doctrine of Lenin and Trotsky while you tool around in your 1950's heap of a car looking for a bread line. Heck, just hang around America for a little while longer, we're well on our way. No thank you, I'll take a broken representative republic over a streamline Marxist regime any day.

reply to post by shai hulud

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To my knowledge, there has NEVER been a "pure" communist society.


Like I mentioned above, the problem with communism comes when too few people get too much power. Greed and selfishness rear their ugly head fast.

In THEORY communism is GREAT. In practice, like democracy, it will never work because society will be destroyed from within by those in "power' in said government.

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"


Jasn

I agree Dei, the thing to remember is the underlying inherent trait in human nature, greed. Greed is in direct conflict with communist doctrine, but not with capitalism. When faced with one or the other, capitalism will ALWAYS win because it appeals to the base nature of human instinct. The Chicoms are one of the most regimented and repressed cultures in the world and look what kind of economic system they finally adopted, capitalism. Now they are dominating with some hybrid communist/capitalist doctrine that is really nothing more than state control with free enterprise, you know, future America.

As mentioned already, incentive to work, create, and be productive was a big issue within Communist USSR and other satelite states. But something that hasnt been mentioned, and rarely does get mentioned when talking about Communism, are the outside factors affecting a fledgeling socialist system from emerging.

From the beginning of the revolution in Russia, outside (western) forces supported the old plutocratic regime and their soldiers (the White Guard) with logistics, weapons, and training. From the beginning, the West fought against popular agitation and revolution in order to keep the competing social order from spreading to other nations.

Litterally 70 years of embargo's, encirclements, sanctions, destabilization attempts and attacks; How is a system supposed to survive?

Communism failed not just because of internal issues, but of external ones aswell.