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IOWA CAUCUS INFILTRATED BY RIGHT WING!

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posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 08:02 PM
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Did Republicans, fearful of Howard Dean's popularity, and mindful of an embarrassing debate with Dubya infiltrate the Iowa Caucus and throw their votes to John Kerry and John Edwards ???

According to a staggering number of new voter registers
45% in total, thats exactly what happened---

(excerpt from Media Channel . Org )

DEMOCRATS FOR A NIGHT

"I called into CSPAN this morning at 6:30 AM and told them my view of the Republicans and Independents who got to cross-over and cause that surge that pushed Kerry over the top. I also agreed with another caller who was Republican, who said the media was running Dean as a big top dog and then when he did not win the number one spot he crashed a lot harder. The other caller also said the media did negative reporting towards Dean. I said that the history of the Iowa caucuses only sent two on to the presidency. The Iowans that were calling into the program Susan hosted were reporting the huge number of new voters...cross-overs who were Democrats for the night. They said they had never seen so many like last night! They ran out of the sign-up sheets. The workers at the caucuses were having to turn them over and use both sides of the sign-up sheets and then started using plain paper to sign up new voters. Susan on CSPAN quoted 45% new voter registration. That is big. They picked Iowa's guy by crashing the caucuses and voting for Kerry and Edwards. This is why the media had to tear down Dean and fix the bad Zogby poll then pack the caucuses to give Kerry & Edwards the votes. Republicans again picking our candidate."

link---
www.newsdissector.org...

THE CHARGE: REPUBLICANS INFILTRATE IOWA CAUCUSES

From a Dean group. My friend Dawn in Iowa told me the same thing - that they were stunned by the number of Republicans changing their registration at the door. It appears that possibly only 55% of the Iowa caucus voters were Democrats trying to cast a legitimate vote. We can expect this cross-over voting in any caucus where it's allowed. My impression is that it's allowed in a great number of the states. So whoever chooses our Democratic nominee, it won't really be Democrats. We have the same thing here as I've discovered when calling Democrats on election day, only to have some of them nastily and gloatingly tell me they're Republicans and have already voted - for Bush. Margie.




[Edited on 24-1-2004 by darkwraith]




posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 08:13 PM
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I cannot comment on what you posted here as being true of not. I assume it is.

But I think you are wrong about one thing, Republicans and Conservatives want Dean to win the nomination because they think Bush can beat him.

I think it was Democrats that have undermined him because they fear he cannot beat Bush. That has been said here by many at this site in the past 30 days.

Frankly, I don't think Kerry can beat Bush either. My favourite of all of them is Edwards, the only one that has a shot at beating Bush. He has a lot going for him but even head to head he cannot offer more experience than Bush can.

That is how I see it, this is still mostly a Democrat show rather than a media show or public show and that is the way it should be.

Demographics show a shift right in public perception and the Democrats cannot ignore this, but who can they put up that is more acceptable to the shifting majority in the middle that is credible or at least fast on his feet?



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 08:53 PM
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Ditto to what NEO said concerning the right wing wanting Dean to get the Democratic nomination. They knew they could beat him... the rest of the bunch may be a little harder and costlier to win against...


[Edited on 24-1-2004 by intelgurl]



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 09:56 PM
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The idea that Republicans want to run against Dean is not new.


What you are saying is repeating what a lot of mainstream pundits have been saying for months.

But pundits are known for their deliberate disinformation.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 10:45 PM
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The pundits don't know jack. They're brainwashed just like those naive little fools who follow their lead. Dean could definitely beat Bush. Karl Rove and his bunch are sweating bullets over dean winning the nomination.

If Kerry or Edwards wins, they won't press him at all on anything of merit. Dean will and they can't have that.

Kerry's Skull & Bones just like Bush. For anyone who doesn't understand this, they're bond is to their brotherhood, not to average Americans. Kerry won't change anything.

Great post darkwraith!
I bet money it's true.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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Reads like a whining Dean voter(s) and supporter(s) who is/are pissed that their candidate, Mr. "I Have A Scream" Dean, only got 18% of the 95+% Democratic voter turn-out......now thats a shame.




regards
seekerof



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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Why does one little handful of people still think Dean just hung the moon (and not himself?)

He's the ONLY one to beat Bush?

Please, I know the tax thing is pandering. I get it. But can you take your head out of your hatred of Bush (which, granted, Dean represents very well) and realize NO ONE becomes President PROMISING to raise taxes?

If it makes things easier, think of it this way, the majority of people aren't as smart as you. They don't get it, and won't about taxes. So having said that, if you hate Kerry so much, you need to realize that by drinking the Dean kool-aid in this nomination, you are effectively giving your electorates to Kerry.

I submit you guys should save your pennies and learn something from Iowa and New Hampshire, and either get on the Kerry train or get on another train going somewhere, because Dean has you shoveling coal into a bottomless pit.

I back Edwards and resent this disinformation campaign typical of Deaniac bash antics that Republicans are the reason he got a third of the vote in Iowa. What will be your excuse for Dean's rejection by Democrats when Kerry wins NH and Edwards wins SC and other Southern states week after next? The media did it? Yup, they sure did. By covering what Dean says. I will repeal every last one of the Bush tax cuts

It really is just that simple. You're trying to prove a point with Dean which is honorable, but you are NOT doing squat to beat George Bush. I suggest you rethink strategy. It really is down to Kerry or Edwards now (or both on a joint ticket). Pick your horse, and quit beating the dead one Dean rode in on.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 11:04 PM
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Sorry boys. If ol' Bushy and his band of lunes didn't steal the 2000 election, Bush wouldn't have made it to the stop sign on his bean brain.

Dean would kick his a$$ in a fair fight anyday.

Ya'll are scared.

And ya know it, 2.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by BigEasy
Sorry boys. If ol' Bushy and his band of lunes didn't steal the 2000 election, Bush wouldn't have made it to the stop sign on his bean brain.

Dean would kick his a$$ in a fair fight anyday.

Ya'll are scared.

And ya know it, 2.


Key word: "FAIR" fight. You really think Bush will give Dean one? And what's Dean going to do? Cry? Scream? Push his sleeves up and make W play fair?

Please, why not nominate someone a bit slicker than GW? Someone that can actually talk without making a complete fool of himself. I'm not scared, just been around and see Dean for what he is (or was). Don't listen to me, watch New Hampshire and South Carolina.

If you're still bashing the Democratic nominees then, I'd say YOU are the Republicans pretending to be Dems, since you're doing Bush's job for him.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 11:16 PM
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Dean might whip Bush in a fair OK Coral style fight, but my money is on 'Condy' putting foot in Dean's rear after it is all said and done.
IMHO, Bush wouldn't have to do anything in a "fair" fight with Dean besides stand and wait for the man to put his own foot in his mouth....as par for Deano' baby.



regards
seekerof



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 11:16 PM
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You wish. This South Carolina boy is a conservative and I don't need anyone telling me what to think.

Screw the Democrat party and Screw the Republican party. It's all a sham.

That's why I like Dean. He's a populist.

Ya'll better wake up. Poppy Bush threw the election to his boy Bubba cause the dogs were on scent. Go ahead and put Kerry up there. He could whip Bush, too. But he's the same as Bush. Just like Clinton.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by BigEasy
You wish. This South Carolina boy is a conservative and I don't need anyone telling me what to think.

Screw the Democrat party and Screw the Republican party. It's all a sham.

That's why I like Dean. He's a populist.

Ya'll better wake up. Poppy Bush threw the election to his boy Bubba cause the dogs were on scent. Go ahead and put Kerry up there. He could whip Bush, too. But he's the same as Bush. Just like Clinton.


Seriously, I understand all the words you just used, but not together.
You're conservative but like tax raiser Dean and NOT Lieberman? You like populists but NOT populous candidates Edwards and Kerry?

Funny, I just got this feeling you actually like Bush and are wasting my time.


[Edited on 24-1-2004 by RANT]



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by RANT

Originally posted by BigEasy
You wish. This South Carolina boy is a conservative and I don't need anyone telling me what to think.

Screw the Democrat party and Screw the Republican party. It's all a sham.

That's why I like Dean. He's a populist.

Ya'll better wake up. Poppy Bush threw the election to his boy Bubba cause the dogs were on scent. Go ahead and put Kerry up there. He could whip Bush, too. But he's the same as Bush. Just like Clinton.


Seriously, I understand all the words you just used, but not together.
You're conservative but like tax raiser Dean and NOT Lieberman? You like populists but NOT populous candidates Edwards and Kerry?

Funny, I just got this feeling you actually like Bush and are wasting my time.


[Edited on 24-1-2004 by RANT]


Go look at Dean's record in Vermont. He's for balancing the budget BEFORE spending the wad. The only thing Bush is good at is spending YOUR hard-earned money. The size of government has grown to unheard of levels since Republicans took congress in '94. LEt's not even talk about the trade deficit and record level deficit IN THREE SHORT YEARS. I"m not sayin it's Bush's fault for the trade deficit, but he ain't helping anything. He's doin to the U.S. exactly what he did to every business he touched. BANKRUPTCY and LOSS. Go ahead and vote for Bush or Kerry or Lieberman or Edwards.. It don't matter. They're all in the same rich man's club. Unfortunately, alot of ya'll don't seem to get it. The great majority of Americans ain't invited. But you do get to pick up the bill.



posted on Jan, 25 2004 @ 02:55 AM
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[Edited on 24-2-2004 by darkwraith]



posted on Jan, 25 2004 @ 10:17 PM
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Partisans switching party designations
That's shocking! I'm outraged! And, I'm also kidding. This has gone on since the beginning of time. Though, I doubt republicans would have voted for Kerry. If this really had an impact I think you would have found more votes going to Sharpton or Kucinich
OR, republicans really DID switch.



posted on Jan, 25 2004 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Bob88
Though, I doubt republicans would have voted for Kerry.


I WAS a Republican until I switched my party alignment to go to caucus and then proceeded to vote for Kerry. Don't know if any other Republicans would do that though...



posted on Jan, 25 2004 @ 10:33 PM
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kaoszero: was that because you support Kerry, or was it a strategic vote to support Bush??



posted on Jan, 25 2004 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by Bob88
kaoszero: was that because you support Kerry, or was it a strategic vote to support Bush??


I support Kerry. After reading his plan and watching him speak, he is the candidate I choose to support.




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