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posted on Oct, 10 2007 @ 07:12 AM
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never actually looked into the situation , but to state the chuffing obvious :

the claim that the CIA somehow engineered the downfall of Mr Whitlam could be true , totally independantly of of any claim that the USA somehow " owns australia " , and it is a non sequitor to assume that one claim verifies the other - it is entirely possible for eith to be true while the other is false

lear or others have not yet shown any evidence that Whitlam was deposed curtesy a CIA plot - and only in lear land does does alledged CIA maelefeasnce in the Whitlam affair proove that the US owns australia

for various reasons the CIA and other american agencies have interfered in the due processes of several soverign states , japan , italy and chile being the cases i have studied and believe many of the claims related to these countries to be true .

would lear and others extrapolate that these manipulations are proof that the USA also owns italy , japan and chile ?




posted on Oct, 10 2007 @ 10:08 AM
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I remember seeing in a movie Falcon and the Snowman that the CIA was somehow involved in the sacking of whitlam. Yeah I know its a movie, but I think it was based on a true story.

I live in Melbourne and I can tell you, we aint owned by the CIA!


And just by chance if we are, and the CIA really does control everything - for the love of God, could you please give us some rain!
We are currently in a 10 year drought, stage 3A water restrictions are killing my garden! So please CIA, turn off that HAARP device your using on us and let it bloody rain.




posted on Oct, 11 2007 @ 12:36 AM
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I think it may be a bit oversimplified by Mr Lear,....
But its very nearly evident that the inner workings of the intelligence services of the free world especially have been very liberally used by
the higher offices and commanders to heavily pad their own retirements....at the very least.....
Australia may be signatory(unbeknownst to her citizens)to various agreements and conditions and some form of major long term planning with the US and i daresay Canada and the UK too.
It is entirely possible thatr the people who have done all the game scenarios to WW3 have realized tha Australia is a backwater place when it comes to niclear fallout,(ala On The Beach")and a perfectly american enough environment to concentrate assets in :Just in case:mind you,,,,
Over the intervening years it is possible for the immense amounts of black money to have bought a considerable portion of such a co-operative little country.....
bergle



posted on Oct, 17 2007 @ 05:10 PM
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Thanks for those links MM, will give them a reading over soon enough.

As an Australian, I don't find this too absurd, given that the greenback and ozzie dollar are almost level pegging this week.

I don't believe it has ever been this high (in my life anyway). Something is up.

I also don't believe it is a purchase as much as it is an assimilation.

I've always wanted to visit the states. Might be easier now.



posted on Oct, 17 2007 @ 06:06 PM
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If I remember correctly Whitlam made a press statement saying he was going to either shutdown or not renew the US contract at Pine Gap around the time he was sacked by Kerr...But the official history states it was political manouvring that was his demise.


Whitlam decided against calling an election and from October to November 1975 the parliament was in its worst political deadlock. The Opposition used its majority in the Senate to defer passage of the budget, and the government was without a Supply vote to continue operating.

On 11 November Governor-General Sir John Kerr broke the deadlock in an unprecedented move. The Governor-General withdrew Whitlam’s commission as Prime Minister and replaced him with Malcolm Fraser as caretaker Prime Minister until elections could be held. The Senate passed the budget on the same day. On 12 November the Opposition, with a minority in the House of Representatives, replaced the government.




posted on Oct, 21 2007 @ 07:33 AM
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Wow, this thread is full of untruths, out-dated 'facts' and false assumptions.

Firstly, we may have often been jokingly referred to as the 53rd state of America but owned by America we're not.

The Governor General is head of Australia and he is answerable to the Queen of England. Thats a fact. Its stated clearly in our constitution and is set in concrete. America doesnt figure anywhere in the equation..

Now in regard to Joe Vialls claim about Project Ark. Its fanciful, but on what 'facts' does he base his claims? And as if the US hierachy would want to wage a thermonuclear war from the sky and then make their home in a foreign country.. I mean the whole idea is absurd. Far from it, the US plan would be to save their own country not settle in someone elses..(by not waging a war in the first place perhaps?)

The claim - Australia "is rapidly sliding into Third (or Fourth) World economic status. Since the acceleration of “free trade” agreements in the 1970's, pushed by a succession of socialist governments according to prearranged plans cooked up in Lon­don, Moscow, New York, Washington, and other power centers, Australia's moral, social, political, and economic life has been ruined. If you want to see what the New World Order looks like – or means for your children – look at Australia" couldnt be further from the truth. We are currently enjoying a resource boom, our dollar has hit an all time high, we have about 4% unemployment, and our 'moral, social, political, and economic life' is far from being 'ruined'. We are more prosperous than ever and the outlook is for continued growth.

To make the outlook even brighter we are due to have a Federal election in a few weeks in which the encumbent, out-dated, ass licking NWO slime bag PM is expected to be ousted in a landslide win, in favour of a much younger, vibrant, practising christian PM..


KTK

posted on Oct, 22 2007 @ 02:17 AM
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I would still like to hear Mr Lears thoughts on this issue trolls and turds aside.


Mr Lear if you ever do come back to this thread, I wouldnt mind your opinion on Australias maybe new Prime Minister and his close ties to China, how would the USA government take this, is it a threat?



posted on Oct, 22 2007 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by KTK



I would still like to hear Mr Lears thoughts on this issue trolls and turds aside.


Zorgon is retyping the text of the document I have on Australia. It should be ready this week.


Mr Lear if you ever do come back to this thread, I wouldnt mind your opinion on Australias maybe new Prime Minister and his close ties to China, how would the USA government take this, is it a threat?


Both Australia and the U.S. are secret and close allies of China.

I believe that all three are working closely on the 'war' between the U.S. and China that is supposed to start in the fourth quarter of 2008.

The 'war' is for public comsumption only. Something for us to worry about, stimulate the economy, try out new technology, and keep our eye "off the ball".



posted on Oct, 22 2007 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by dscomp
We are currently enjoying a resource boom, our dollar has hit an all time high, we have about 4% unemployment, and our 'moral, social, political, and economic life' is far from being 'ruined'. We are more prosperous than ever and the outlook is for continued growth.

To make the outlook even brighter we are due to have a Federal election in a few weeks in which the encumbent, out-dated, ass licking NWO slime bag PM is expected to be ousted in a landslide win, in favour of a much younger, vibrant, practising christian PM..



Yes, we do have a resource boom, but I would beg to differ that "we" are 'enjoying" it......the only way we would enjoy it is if we are either working in the mines or own & run them. The Australian economy is booming due to this resource boom, yes, but socially alot of people on the east coast are going downhill. I do not see at all how I personally am beneiftiing from a resource boom. The government has a huge surplus of funds that they refuse to spend on health, education, and infrastructure as much as they should.

What do they care about? Here, you aussies, have another tax cut.

Alot of good that does to use other than to give in one hand while rising inflation pressures due to that tax cut force interest rates higher and the banks take that tax cut and more back off you. Good system


Your mention of 4% unemployment is just boating false figures as the government does.....why do I say that? Because included in that 4% is people who work an 1hr a week are considered as employed. WTF?


If you want the real figure of employment, do a survey of people that are employed and working a full 38hour week - I bet you'll see the "real" unemployement rate somewhere over 20%.

Now here's another document I'd like to bring to your attention (both readers of ATS and Mr Lear) that documents CIA involvement in Australian Politics through the last couple decades, including the Gough Whitlam saga and the Pine Gap dealings.

Titled "Fortress Australia" found here - members.iimetro.com.au...

and I shall show you some quotes of interest.



It is widely accepted that the demise of the Whitlam labor -government in 1975 was brought about by the direct intervention of the American CIA and NSA in Australian domestic affairs. The reasons were clear, Whitlam resented the fact that America's secret bases at Pine Gap, Narrunga and North West Cape had been established as a result of agreements made with the previous conservative government and for all intents and purposes apart from very low level liaison, Australians were excluded from them. This was the height of the Cold War and there was genuine concern among members of government and the public at large that Australia could be subject to major nuclear attack as a result of having these bases on their territory. This fear was not unfounded.

According to reports at the time, Whitlam had constantly pressured the American government to allow Australians to take a greater role in the operation of the bases and to have full access to the intelligence they gathered. He also wanted to alter the terms of the agreement to put Australia in charge. Such demands were too much for the American administration to tolerate so orders were given to destabilise and get rid of the government. It is ironic that Pine Gap played a key role in Whitlam's destruction by acting as the main carrier of secret communications between Washington and Australia during this period.




It was also well known that the US Airforce conducted joint training exercises with the NSCA and there were several reports of the US Green Beret officers entering Australia on tourist visas and going directly to West Sale.

The operation had some similarities to other past CIA activities in Australia. The best known example was the case of the Nugan-Hand merchant bank which prior to it's collapse in 1980 was said to have been involved in arms and drug trafficking, the laundering of drug money, and the funding of CIA operations in Australia and Asia. Nugan-Hand was run by Australian Frank Nugan and American Michael Hand, a past Green Beret officer and employee of Air America. In the late 1960's and early 1970's the officer in charge of the overall operations of Nugan-Hand plus a major US currency counterfeiting operation in Sydney was the already infamous General Richard V. Secord.

When the operation was closed down, Michael Hand was given a new passport and immediately returned to the USA where he now lives under another name. Frank Nugan lost a great deal of money and threatened to expose the operation if he was not reimbursed. This was a serious error as he was shot dead a few days later with a .300 magnum hunting rifle.





There are at least ten top secret American facilities in Australia with the so called 'Joint defence Space Research Facility' at Pine Gap outside Alice Springs being classified as the most important. At the time the agreement to establish Pine Gap was signed by the Australian government it's purpose was to control and act as a downlink for geosynchronous satellites stationed over the Pacific and Asia. The American agencies involved with this intelligence gathering are the CIA, NSA and the NRO. However there were other reasons for establishing the base which have never been fully revealed to the Australian government. The agreement clearly stated that it was not a requirement for the USA to share all information with Australia. In fact when the Whitlam government came to power in 1972 what little information that was being shared with the Australian Defence Signals Directorate (DSD) was reduced to a trickle and at one time, prior to 1975, stopped altogether

Pine Gap's communication systems are the most sophisticated available utilising satellites, micro wave, low frequency and their own dedicated cable to the USA Also they are directly connected to Nurrunga, North West Cape, Geraldton, Australian Defence Signals Directorate in Melbourne, Canberra, Sydney, all CIA and NSA stations, ASIO, SIS and perhaps one of the most interesting secret departments of all, the Australian Defence Science and Technology Organisation which deals with UFO's and crash retrievals.


It is a very interesting read and goes into quite abit of detail of how US intelligence involvement in australia is resourcing australia for something that is yet to come.....doesnt say what it is, but by going on what the US is doing in australia and the preparations that have been taking place (this article was written over 10 years ago) it sure does make you wonder.

I beleive personally that US intell and the like are preparing Australia to take a lead role in the world after world war 3 concludes and we are the only fully functioning nation left that will take a leadership role and become the new puppet of the NWO.

John, I'd love to hear your thought on the Fortress Australia document.



posted on Oct, 22 2007 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia




John, I'd love to hear your thought on the Fortress Australia document.




Thanks Melbourne_Militia, it seems as if Rayelan has saved me the trouble of posting Fortress Australia. I think I gave an original copy to her and Whitley Streiber. I sent many copies out in 1996.

This is, in fact, what I was going to post about the U.S. 'buying' Australia although 'buying' was not an accurate verb in describing what the U.S. is doing with Australia. But it is close.

I would suggest that anyone who is interested in my comment that the U.S. 'bought' Australia read this document.

I talked to the author a few weeks ago for permission to post the article and he said ok just not to use or divulge his name. He is not active anymore.

Although the information is over 10 years old most of it is still valid with minor exceptions such as Nurrungar which had to move because of the noise of the rocket launches at Woomera. I believe there is another NASA and Russian (separate) launch bases.


KTK

posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 02:58 AM
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Wow Im still digesting that article, thankyou Mr Lear and MM. After reading that I would like to bitch slap Bob Hawke for selling us out. I have an absolute distrust of Rhodes scholars now. Funny how Beazley another Rhodes scholar was the defense minister at the time and buying up big. There for the battlers my arse, there for the NWO more like!
Notice how Gough Whitlam and Malcolm Fraser are good friends now, Fraser is like our Jimmy Carter, constantly disgusted and bewildered with how things are playing out for the people.


Mr Lear in your opinion what is Australia being prepared for if anything?

Who are the internment camps really for?



posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 04:34 AM
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KTK,

This is my personal opinion and I think I may have mentioned it earlier on in my posts, but I beleive that Australia is being set up to host the NWO headquarters after the coming global war which Im sure each and everyone of us can see is being prepared for on all sides.

The camps and military buildup, aswell as the extra US bases being built around the place to "train" US soldiers, is to ward off and keep out any would be influx of refugees from the north that would be scrambling to get out of harms way as the next major war spreads throughout Asia.

I may be wrong, and by god I hope I am, but seeing whats going on around the place doesnt leave me thinking anything other way.

Like John said, there looks like the Chinese will start a war late next year and I can see this happening thou the justifications may be abit hazy at the moment in my view. China does own alot of US debt and it may use this debt to blackmail the US - for example, they might say to America that they want to cash in their debt, the US cant, and China says it well, then we'll halve your debt repayment if you turn a blind eye to our forthcoming invasion of Taiwan.

US, confused and cornered between their (whats left of them) morals, strategic position of Taiwan and as an economic trading partner will be forced into a war so they wont have to pay back that debt.

Its just a hypothetical, it may not go down that way, but at the moment the US needs money for war, and will take it from anywhere, thou it will catchup with them in the end.

You can only stretch your troops so far, before anything else resorts to Air strikes and rocket/missile launches only.....time will tell.

But I highly recommend you read the article Fortress Australia.

If you care for this country know what goes on with it.



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 01:24 AM
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hey all,

Just thought I'd mention that I have some more inform,ation on the CIA "purchasing" Australia that just came to light today, thou I'll need a couple of hours to get the relative news stories and data and collate it for presentation here.

But because of the significance of the new information, I'll be starting a new thread but will post a relevant link to it here.

Thankyou.



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 02:58 AM
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Hi all,

I have posted the thread I was talking about titled Australia to build HAARP facility


I think that it is very important to all interested in this current topic of "Did the USA Purchase Australia, thou I do beleive it is relevant enough for a thread of its own.

John, If I may ask you to have a look as it all comes together with your claims on this matter.

Thanks.



posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
P.S. In any case, if the US bought Australia, they will never buy our spirit or nature for that is truly unique on this planet.

Sadly, I disagree.

There is no such thing as our own spirit anymore. Look around any suburb in Melbourne and see how the demographics have changed. The 'Aussie Spirit' that gets touted in the media is rapidly dying with each passing generation of WASPs. Australia is declining in to a cess-pool of clashing cultures, with political do-gooders and religious leaders all vying for a slice of power and money. It's disgusting to watch. I would love to move out beyond the city limits some day. America may or may not have bought us, but we might as well be the 52st state soon enough, anyway.

(I'm not racist at all, I'm just stating the facts. If you don't believe me, then walk through places like Footscray, Sunshine, Noble Park, Coburg, St. Albans - all in Melbourne. There's no Aussie Spirirt, it's all dog-eat-dog.)



posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 06:15 PM
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tezzajw,

I know what you mean by just walking through those suburbs because Im not far from these areas.

your reference about the clash of cultures and vying religious and comunity leader trying to get into a position of influence is also somewhat disheartening thou true too.

its the people who have come here and assimilated into the traditional australian way of life that have made this country great, but yeah, there are groups that just won't assimilate no matter what and I do see resentment to them growing, which will blow up in the futuree if not controlled soon.

52nd state of US.......lets see what happens after the election.....we could become a state of china soon too if Rudd gets his way.......



posted on Oct, 29 2007 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
P.S. In any case, if the US bought Australia, they will never buy our spirit or nature for that is truly unique on this planet.

Sadly, I disagree.

There is no such thing as our own spirit anymore. Look around any suburb in Melbourne and see how the demographics have changed. The 'Aussie Spirit' that gets touted in the media is rapidly dying with each passing generation of WASPs. Australia is declining in to a cess-pool of clashing cultures, with political do-gooders and religious leaders all vying for a slice of power and money. It's disgusting to watch. I would love to move out beyond the city limits some day. America may or may not have bought us, but we might as well be the 52st state soon enough, anyway.

(I'm not racist at all, I'm just stating the facts. If you don't believe me, then walk through places like Footscray, Sunshine, Noble Park, Coburg, St. Albans - all in Melbourne. There's no Aussie Spirirt, it's all dog-eat-dog.)


expect the aussie spirit to be back in places like noble park,dandenong and sorounding areas. people who live in these areas should be expecting major racial riots between pretty much every one and the sudanese(however u spell it )community. sudanese gangs have been going around bashing people for absolutley no reason.(i'm sure u would have seen some on the news) And if they don't stop there will be a repeat of the racial riots a few years back exept against the sudanese........... I think the police have to do something here or it will get out of hand.


KTK

posted on Oct, 29 2007 @ 01:47 AM
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The Sudanese in Queensland seem to be a different kettle of fish to the Victorian ones. The last couple of years they have immigrated to my area, its a shock at first i have to admit. My children have sudanese friends at school and they are the nicest most respectful kids you will ever come across. The immigration ministers comments caused a few ripples here. It was the red neck yokel Queenslanders sticking up for the Sudanese. The school principal even sent of a nasty letter to the minister. Again we just havnt seen the problems you have in Victoria.

Now I wonder if the Victorian ones are muslim, as our ones seem to be christian.

I ask this cause i grew up with the lebs in sydney and although there was a media beat up, it all was the truth.

The problem seems to be with our muslims no matter the country they come from.

It wont be long before we have riots like they have had in France Germany and Holland. There are no go unless you are a Muslim areas there. You would think that the european countries with their deffinate culture and language would not put up with it.

What chance do we have with no deffinate culture or customs, we will just be rail roaded.


Food for thought, our Aboriginal population get converted in jail, Mundine made it cool. They get out of jail and proclaim jihad on our arses.



posted on Oct, 29 2007 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by ..AuStRaLiA..
sudanese gangs have been going around bashing people for absolutley no reason.(i'm sure u would have seen some on the news)

Yeah, I heard it on the news. I also happen to live in the same street where two Sudanese teens were bashed by local thugs - that also made the newspapers and TV. Those teens walk past my house every week, without causing trouble, I've personally seen them innocently walking by.

Rather than drift this thread off topic - we can see that it doesn't really matter if the USA or China owns Australia. As long as we're fragmenting into separatist religious/cultural groups - we're stuffed. Is this the way the leaders want it to go? I'm not sure. But, there is no Aussie spirit left anymore, it's a joke. Most of us would roll over and take whatever politicians shove up our arse without even resisting or thinking. A very sad state of affairs, indeed.

Abolish governments - all three teirs of them! Who needs to be governed, anyway?



posted on Oct, 29 2007 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by ..AuStRaLiA..
sudanese gangs have been going around bashing people for absolutley no reason.(i'm sure u would have seen some on the news)

Yeah, I heard it on the news. I also happen to live in the same street where two Sudanese teens were bashed by local thugs - that also made the newspapers and TV. Those teens walk past my house every week, without causing trouble, I've personally seen them innocently walking by.

Rather than drift this thread off topic - we can see that it doesn't really matter if the USA or China owns Australia. As long as we're fragmenting into separatist religious/cultural groups - we're stuffed. Is this the way the leaders want it to go? I'm not sure. But, there is no Aussie spirit left anymore, it's a joke. Most of us would roll over and take whatever politicians shove up our arse without even resisting or thinking. A very sad state of affairs, indeed.

Abolish governments - all three teirs of them! Who needs to be governed, anyway?


u seem to have miss understood what i was saying i said "sudanese gangs" not all the sudanese community. there are plenty of respectable sudanese people. But sadly when things flare up and trust me they will people are gunna take it out on the whole sudanese community not just the one's that think they are "gangster"!..........


this is the last time i will mention the sudanese...lol





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