Did the USA purchase Australia?, page 3
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reply posted on 11-10-2007 @ 12:36 AM by bergle
reply to post by Burginthorn



I think it may be a bit oversimplified by Mr Lear,....
But its very nearly evident that the inner workings of the intelligence services of the free world especially have been very liberally used by
the higher offices and commanders to heavily pad their own retirements....at the very least.....
Australia may be signatory(unbeknownst to her citizens)to various agreements and conditions and some form of major long term planning with the US and i daresay Canada and the UK too.
It is entirely possible thatr the people who have done all the game scenarios to WW3 have realized tha Australia is a backwater place when it comes to niclear fallout,(ala On The Beach")and a perfectly american enough environment to concentrate assets in :Just in case:mind you,,,,
Over the intervening years it is possible for the immense amounts of black money to have bought a considerable portion of such a co-operative little country.....
bergle



reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 07:33 AM by dscomp
Wow, this thread is full of untruths, out-dated 'facts' and false assumptions.

Firstly, we may have often been jokingly referred to as the 53rd state of America but owned by America we're not.

The Governor General is head of Australia and he is answerable to the Queen of England. Thats a fact. Its stated clearly in our constitution and is set in concrete. America doesnt figure anywhere in the equation..

Now in regard to Joe Vialls claim about Project Ark. Its fanciful, but on what 'facts' does he base his claims? And as if the US hierachy would want to wage a thermonuclear war from the sky and then make their home in a foreign country.. I mean the whole idea is absurd. Far from it, the US plan would be to save their own country not settle in someone elses..(by not waging a war in the first place perhaps?)

The claim - Australia "is rapidly sliding into Third (or Fourth) World economic status. Since the acceleration of “free trade” agreements in the 1970's, pushed by a succession of socialist governments according to prearranged plans cooked up in Lon­don, Moscow, New York, Washington, and other power centers, Australia's moral, social, political, and economic life has been ruined. If you want to see what the New World Order looks like – or means for your children – look at Australia" couldnt be further from the truth. We are currently enjoying a resource boom, our dollar has hit an all time high, we have about 4% unemployment, and our 'moral, social, political, and economic life' is far from being 'ruined'. We are more prosperous than ever and the outlook is for continued growth.

To make the outlook even brighter we are due to have a Federal election in a few weeks in which the encumbent, out-dated, ass licking NWO slime bag PM is expected to be ousted in a landslide win, in favour of a much younger, vibrant, practising christian PM..


reply posted on 22-10-2007 @ 03:23 AM by Melbourne_Militia
Originally posted by dscomp
We are currently enjoying a resource boom, our dollar has hit an all time high, we have about 4% unemployment, and our 'moral, social, political, and economic life' is far from being 'ruined'. We are more prosperous than ever and the outlook is for continued growth.

To make the outlook even brighter we are due to have a Federal election in a few weeks in which the encumbent, out-dated, ass licking NWO slime bag PM is expected to be ousted in a landslide win, in favour of a much younger, vibrant, practising christian PM..



Yes, we do have a resource boom, but I would beg to differ that "we" are 'enjoying" it......the only way we would enjoy it is if we are either working in the mines or own & run them. The Australian economy is booming due to this resource boom, yes, but socially alot of people on the east coast are going downhill. I do not see at all how I personally am beneiftiing from a resource boom. The government has a huge surplus of funds that they refuse to spend on health, education, and infrastructure as much as they should.

What do they care about? Here, you aussies, have another tax cut.

Alot of good that does to use other than to give in one hand while rising inflation pressures due to that tax cut force interest rates higher and the banks take that tax cut and more back off you. Good system

Your mention of 4% unemployment is just boating false figures as the government does.....why do I say that? Because included in that 4% is people who work an 1hr a week are considered as employed. WTF?

If you want the real figure of employment, do a survey of people that are employed and working a full 38hour week - I bet you'll see the "real" unemployement rate somewhere over 20%.

Now here's another document I'd like to bring to your attention (both readers of ATS and Mr Lear) that documents CIA involvement in Australian Politics through the last couple decades, including the Gough Whitlam saga and the Pine Gap dealings.

Titled "Fortress Australia" found here -
members.iimetro.com.au...

and I shall show you some quotes of interest.


It is widely accepted that the demise of the Whitlam labor -government in 1975 was brought about by the direct intervention of the American CIA and NSA in Australian domestic affairs. The reasons were clear, Whitlam resented the fact that America's secret bases at Pine Gap, Narrunga and North West Cape had been established as a result of agreements made with the previous conservative government and for all intents and purposes apart from very low level liaison, Australians were excluded from them. This was the height of the Cold War and there was genuine concern among members of government and the public at large that Australia could be subject to major nuclear attack as a result of having these bases on their territory. This fear was not unfounded.

According to reports at the time, Whitlam had constantly pressured the American government to allow Australians to take a greater role in the operation of the bases and to have full access to the intelligence they gathered. He also wanted to alter the terms of the agreement to put Australia in charge. Such demands were too much for the American administration to tolerate so orders were given to destabilise and get rid of the government. It is ironic that Pine Gap played a key role in Whitlam's destruction by acting as the main carrier of secret communications between Washington and Australia during this period.



It was also well known that the US Airforce conducted joint training exercises with the NSCA and there were several reports of the US Green Beret officers entering Australia on tourist visas and going directly to West Sale.

The operation had some similarities to other past CIA activities in Australia. The best known example was the case of the Nugan-Hand merchant bank which prior to it's collapse in 1980 was said to have been involved in arms and drug trafficking, the laundering of drug money, and the funding of CIA operations in Australia and Asia. Nugan-Hand was run by Australian Frank Nugan and American Michael Hand, a past Green Beret officer and employee of Air America. In the late 1960's and early 1970's the officer in charge of the overall operations of Nugan-Hand plus a major US currency counterfeiting operation in Sydney was the already infamous General Richard V. Secord.

When the operation was closed down, Michael Hand was given a new passport and immediately returned to the USA where he now lives under another name. Frank Nugan lost a great deal of money and threatened to expose the operation if he was not reimbursed. This was a serious error as he was shot dead a few days later with a .300 magnum hunting rifle.




There are at least ten top secret American facilities in Australia with the so called 'Joint defence Space Research Facility' at Pine Gap outside Alice Springs being classified as the most important. At the time the agreement to establish Pine Gap was signed by the Australian government it's purpose was to control and act as a downlink for geosynchronous satellites stationed over the Pacific and Asia. The American agencies involved with this intelligence gathering are the CIA, NSA and the NRO. However there were other reasons for establishing the base which have never been fully revealed to the Australian government. The agreement clearly stated that it was not a requirement for the USA to share all information with Australia. In fact when the Whitlam government came to power in 1972 what little information that was being shared with the Australian Defence Signals Directorate (DSD) was reduced to a trickle and at one time, prior to 1975, stopped altogether

Pine Gap's communication systems are the most sophisticated available utilising satellites, micro wave, low frequency and their own dedicated cable to the USA Also they are directly connected to Nurrunga, North West Cape, Geraldton, Australian Defence Signals Directorate in Melbourne, Canberra, Sydney, all CIA and NSA stations, ASIO, SIS and perhaps one of the most interesting secret departments of all, the Australian Defence Science and Technology Organisation which deals with UFO's and crash retrievals.


It is a very interesting read and goes into quite abit of detail of how US intelligence involvement in australia is resourcing australia for something that is yet to come.....doesnt say what it is, but by going on what the US is doing in australia and the preparations that have been taking place (this article was written over 10 years ago) it sure does make you wonder.

I beleive personally that US intell and the like are preparing Australia to take a lead role in the world after world war 3 concludes and we are the only fully functioning nation left that will take a leadership role and become the new puppet of the NWO.

John, I'd love to hear your thought on the Fortress Australia document.


reply posted on 23-10-2007 @ 04:34 AM by Melbourne_Militia
KTK,

This is my personal opinion and I think I may have mentioned it earlier on in my posts, but I beleive that Australia is being set up to host the NWO headquarters after the coming global war which Im sure each and everyone of us can see is being prepared for on all sides.

The camps and military buildup, aswell as the extra US bases being built around the place to "train" US soldiers, is to ward off and keep out any would be influx of refugees from the north that would be scrambling to get out of harms way as the next major war spreads throughout Asia.

I may be wrong, and by god I hope I am, but seeing whats going on around the place doesnt leave me thinking anything other way.

Like John said, there looks like the Chinese will start a war late next year and I can see this happening thou the justifications may be abit hazy at the moment in my view. China does own alot of US debt and it may use this debt to blackmail the US - for example, they might say to America that they want to cash in their debt, the US cant, and China says it well, then we'll halve your debt repayment if you turn a blind eye to our forthcoming invasion of Taiwan.

US, confused and cornered between their (whats left of them) morals, strategic position of Taiwan and as an economic trading partner will be forced into a war so they wont have to pay back that debt.

Its just a hypothetical, it may not go down that way, but at the moment the US needs money for war, and will take it from anywhere, thou it will catchup with them in the end.

You can only stretch your troops so far, before anything else resorts to Air strikes and rocket/missile launches only.....time will tell.

But I highly recommend you read the article Fortress Australia.

If you care for this country know what goes on with it.


reply posted on 24-10-2007 @ 02:58 AM by Melbourne_Militia
Hi all,

I have posted the thread I was talking about titled
Australia to build HAARP facility


I think that it is very important to all interested in this current topic of "Did the USA Purchase Australia, thou I do beleive it is relevant enough for a thread of its own.

John, If I may ask you to have a look as it all comes together with your claims on this matter.

Thanks.


reply posted on 29-10-2007 @ 12:27 AM by ..AuStRaLiA..
Originally posted by tezzajw
Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
P.S. In any case, if the US bought Australia, they will never buy our spirit or nature for that is truly unique on this planet.

Sadly, I disagree.

There is no such thing as our own spirit anymore. Look around any suburb in Melbourne and see how the demographics have changed. The 'Aussie Spirit' that gets touted in the media is rapidly dying with each passing generation of WASPs. Australia is declining in to a cess-pool of clashing cultures, with political do-gooders and religious leaders all vying for a slice of power and money. It's disgusting to watch. I would love to move out beyond the city limits some day. America may or may not have bought us, but we might as well be the 52st state soon enough, anyway.

(I'm not racist at all, I'm just stating the facts. If you don't believe me, then walk through places like Footscray, Sunshine, Noble Park, Coburg, St. Albans - all in Melbourne. There's no Aussie Spirirt, it's all dog-eat-dog.)


expect the aussie spirit to be back in places like noble park,dandenong and sorounding areas. people who live in these areas should be expecting major racial riots between pretty much every one and the sudanese(however u spell it )community. sudanese gangs have been going around bashing people for absolutley no reason.(i'm sure u would have seen some on the news) And if they don't stop there will be a repeat of the racial riots a few years back exept against the sudanese........... I think the police have to do something here or it will get out of hand.
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