Why am I still getting laughed at when I tell people that the 9/11 attack was questionable??, page 3


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reply posted on 9-10-2007 @ 03:47 PM by traderonwallst
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Sorry.....think I should have made that last posting a reply. I did a quote thing and ruined the posting. Hope you understand what I meant by it.


reply posted on 9-10-2007 @ 04:02 PM by TheInfamousOne
Originally posted by Gazman
Is it just me or are you getting it as well?? People TO THIS DAY still reckons im a idiot or a nut... 43% of Americans think the government is hiding something... but this doesn't seem like the case in Australia...

[edit on 8-10-2007 by Gazman]


I think generally people are afraid to look like a conspiracy nut by taking a stand. Most of the general public do not investigate anything for themselves but would rather just enjoy the daily dosages of being spoon fed by the Fox Network, ABC and CBS. It's their reality they choose to believe in so they can go on living in what they think is a perfect country.

Some people are hard pressed against something like this because maybe they were in the military and never experienced any wrong doing and they understand how chain of command works.

Some people just have a hard time believe that our government is capable of doing something like this to their own country. Some have no knowledge of history of the Despot Blueprint to seclude society from the world to have a Fascist State.

I like to challenge these same type of individuals who settle for a less than mediocre excuses of why the building fell. They rather just hear someone tell them why than to investigate it themselves, or just buy the ludicrous 911 commission report. So I guess what I am saying they are just too lazy and closed minded to really push hard and discuss all the facts. When in reality their idea of 911 being attacked by terrorist IMO IS a conspiracy theory.

I often ask some people to read Thomas P.M. Barnett's book "The Pentagons New Map" (Which is an excellent book on the Military/Financial Nexus) But once they see they have to read 48 chapters, its better to listen to Hannity on FOX news for 10 minutes by calling it a conspiracy.

In order to change world policy (UN) and national policy (US) on a large scale, you need some type of catastrophic event to happen. Just take a look at all of our rights for Americans have changed in the past 7 years.

A war on terrorist is like the war on drugs, it will never end. They still have not captured Osama Bin Laden and always come out with his tapes and Americans has to take the military words on what they translate on what he is really saying so they can infuriate Americans to keep the war going and the country scared.

If someone is going to get you, they are going to get you without warning. For example, if someone wanted to kill me bad enough, they are going to do it. They are NOT going to send me a video tape of themselves saying "Man! When I see you and I going to mess you up!".

So, when I say "Government", I am not finger pointing out ever single Congressman or Senator of being behind this. Some are in the KNOW and some are not and some are probably aware but they are too worried about being re-elected to bring up such an issue when the odds are stacked against them.

It's amazing how many people defend this administration when all they have to do is read "Rebuilding America's Defenses" with many Authors such as Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and many other Neo Republican think tanks. Just pick it up and read it because it was written in the year 2000 and its almost like they are rubbing it in your face today. They write in the publication about having the ability to manage two theaters at once. What this means is to have the ability to run two wars simultaneously and refer to it as a theater because they are the ones who set the stage. They no longer refer to countries as countries, on a global scale they refer to them as states.

But in the end, the men behind the curtain pulling the strings are basically a bunch of bankers in the Federal Reserve or the Central Bank. Point Blank, War is a massive money maker and always has been. As long as their is the greed for money, we will always have war.



That's my two cents.


reply posted on 9-10-2007 @ 04:49 PM by robert z
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Another great example at why people laugh at truthers. Your reference to the supposed evidence of foreknowledge is an attempt to distort the truth.

Yes, every intelligence agency knew that AQ was a threat and was planning attacks going back to the Clinton administration.

Was there evidence that ANYBODY had information that the attacks were going to take place on 9/11? Was there any intelligence that the targets would be the Pentagon and the WTCs?

No. None.

So again, this is why intelligent, well-educated, rational people laugh at truthers. Attempts to distort and sensationalize bits of news taken from the internet and lie about what the evidence means generally isn't taken seriously.

Here's a reality check. 99.9% of people in the world have never heard of ATS, let alone care about what people post here. Same is true with the most ahem... successful of the truthers, the Loose Change crew.

Why? For the exact reasons I'm trying to describe here. If somebody is going to make allegations that 9/11 was an inside job, then they better have every piece of evidence nailed down and NEVER play fast and loose with distorted facts. Unfortunately, that is exactly what the 9/11 truth movement has done, and continues to do. And that is exactly why people laugh at truthers.


reply posted on 9-10-2007 @ 05:12 PM by robert z
Originally posted by Griff

And yet, you still parrot the official conspiracy theory? Jeez people. This isn't about politics. It's about people in our government (republican and democrats alike) murdering our own citizens.

Don't feel like quoting a huge partisan political post. I wonder what party you belong to? Nah, from your post, I don't have to wonder.


Griff,

You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

I did not parrot any official theory and I did not post a partisan political post.

The politics of the topic revolves around the FACT that the most hard core, verifiable evidence leads back to the Clinton administration, for both foreknowledge, intentionally NOT taking action to stop the attacks, and then covering-up the crime.

Where the politics comes in is when the entire MoveOn.org democratic sheeple would rather ignore the Sandy Berger case and support Hillary Clinton because they only want to demonize the republicans, and more specifically, George Bush.

Any self-respecting person who claims to want to get to the bottom of 9/11 would be appalled and renounce any support for Clinton as a presidential candidate for hiring Berger to be part of her campaign. This is a convicted felon who admitted to destroying classified documents prior to his 9/11 Commission testimony. The Clintons even went on a national PR tour talking about how Sandy is just sloppy. No, he wasn't sloppy. He went into the national archives and stole documents for the purpose of destroying them.

Second, the person who made sure that there was no way that any pre-attack intelligence could be shared was Jamie Gorelick when she was #2 at the Justice Department. This is where the real seams into the conspiracy start, not with the misinfo about holograms, phantom planes, etc.

Your post is a perfect example of the problems facing the so-called truth movement. You give no indication of caring about the truth and you seem more proud that you waste your time here gathering thousands of ATS points that accomplish ZERO. You are living in a tiny universe of keyboard commandos who get off on discussing all these conspiracy theories and do NOTHING tangible about it.

NOTHING, Griff. Read it again, over and over. For as much as you claim to stand for something, your ATS points mean squat. You have done ZERO. For as much as you pretend to have more knowledge about the truth of 9/11, you have still done NOTHING.

Maybe this is why people laugh at truthers. All talk and no action. For every minute you post on ATS preaching to the choir or antagonizing non-believers you could have been doing something useful.

Sure, feel good about yourself by deriding me because I do not have 15,000 ATS points like you and other regulars here. So what? Maybe that means I do things more constructive with my time.

You get it yet about why people that do NOT have 15,000 ATS points laugh at truthers?

P.S. The put options are a non-issue. Research it yourself. Caustic Logic had a thread here I think that went into this subject in detail.


reply posted on 9-10-2007 @ 07:28 PM by Leo Strauss
Here is just one of the many undisputed truth's of 911.

From CooperativeResearch.org

On the first anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, the story of what President Bush did on that day is significantly rewritten. In actual fact, when Chief of Staff Andrew Card told Bush about the second plane crash into the WTC, Bush continued to sit in a Florida elementary school classroom and hear a story about a pet goat for at least seven more minutes (see (9:06 a.m.-9:16 a.m.) September 11, 2001; (9:06 a.m.) September 11, 2001), as video footage later broadcast in the 2004 movie Fahrenheit 9/11 shows.

But one year later, (before the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 had been released)Card claims that after he told Bush about the second WTC crash, “it was only a matter of seconds” before Bush “excused himself very politely to the teacher and to the students, and he left the Florida classroom.” [San Francisco Chronicle, 9/11/2002] In a different account, Card says, “Not that many seconds later the president excused himself from the classroom.” [Newsweek, 9/9/2002] An interview with the classroom teacher claims that Bush left the class even before the second WTC crash: “The president bolted right out of here and told me: ‘Take over.’” When the second WTC crash occurred, she claims her students are watching television in a nearby media room. [New York Post, 9/12/2002]

In fact the teacher Sandra Kay Daniels told 3 different stories regarding the President's actions on 9/11. Why did Andy Card lie?... and why did the teacher Sandra Kay Daniels lie??? Who told Ms Daniels to lie??

The fact is the secret service, which is in direct communication with PEOC FAA and NORAD, did not bustle the President from his well publicized photo op! Think about that for a moment. I had enough sense to tell my wife to stay away from the city this is obviously an attack.

Dick Cheney said the Secret Service physically forced him to move to the PEOC.
"At about 9:35 a.m., Vice President Cheney was standing by his desk, looking at the TV in the corner. A Secret Service agent said to him, in a tone that brooked no dissent, "Sir, we have to leave now." The agent grabbed the vice president by the back of his belt and aimed him at the door. "They practice this," says Cheney. "You move. Whether you want to be moved or not, you're going. They don't exactly pick you up and carry you. It's more like they propel you forward." (Newsweek)

But the President he just sits in the classroom and then after the photo op hold a news conference in the same building???

I know it proves nothing but this is one of the many many facts about 9/11 that just don't add up!!
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