Why am I still getting laughed at when I tell people that the 9/11 attack was questionable??

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Sorry.....think I should have made that last posting a reply. I did a quote thing and ruined the posting. Hope you understand what I meant by it.

Originally posted by Gazman
Is it just me or are you getting it as well?? People TO THIS DAY still reckons im a idiot or a nut...

43% of Americans think the government is hiding something... but this doesn't seem like the case in Australia...

[edit on 8-10-2007 by Gazman]

I think generally people are afraid to look like a conspiracy nut by taking a stand. Most of the general public do not investigate anything for themselves but would rather just enjoy the daily dosages of being spoon fed by the Fox Network, ABC and CBS. It's their reality they choose to believe in so they can go on living in what they think is a perfect country.

Some people are hard pressed against something like this because maybe they were in the military and never experienced any wrong doing and they understand how chain of command works.

Some people just have a hard time believe that our government is capable of doing something like this to their own country. Some have no knowledge of history of the Despot Blueprint to seclude society from the world to have a Fascist State.

I like to challenge these same type of individuals who settle for a less than mediocre excuses of why the building fell. They rather just hear someone tell them why than to investigate it themselves, or just buy the ludicrous 911 commission report. So I guess what I am saying they are just too lazy and closed minded to really push hard and discuss all the facts. When in reality their idea of 911 being attacked by terrorist IMO IS a conspiracy theory.

I often ask some people to read Thomas P.M. Barnett's book "The Pentagons New Map" (Which is an excellent book on the Military/Financial Nexus) But once they see they have to read 48 chapters, its better to listen to Hannity on FOX news for 10 minutes by calling it a conspiracy.

In order to change world policy (UN) and national policy (US) on a large scale, you need some type of catastrophic event to happen. Just take a look at all of our rights for Americans have changed in the past 7 years.

A war on terrorist is like the war on drugs, it will never end. They still have not captured Osama Bin Laden and always come out with his tapes and Americans has to take the military words on what they translate on what he is really saying so they can infuriate Americans to keep the war going and the country scared.

If someone is going to get you, they are going to get you without warning. For example, if someone wanted to kill me bad enough, they are going to do it. They are NOT going to send me a video tape of themselves saying "Man! When I see you and I going to mess you up!".

So, when I say "Government", I am not finger pointing out ever single Congressman or Senator of being behind this. Some are in the KNOW and some are not and some are probably aware but they are too worried about being re-elected to bring up such an issue when the odds are stacked against them.

It's amazing how many people defend this administration when all they have to do is read "Rebuilding America's Defenses" with many Authors such as Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and many other Neo Republican think tanks. Just pick it up and read it because it was written in the year 2000 and its almost like they are rubbing it in your face today. They write in the publication about having the ability to manage two theaters at once. What this means is to have the ability to run two wars simultaneously and refer to it as a theater because they are the ones who set the stage. They no longer refer to countries as countries, on a global scale they refer to them as states.

But in the end, the men behind the curtain pulling the strings are basically a bunch of bankers in the Federal Reserve or the Central Bank. Point Blank, War is a massive money maker and always has been. As long as their is the greed for money, we will always have war.



That's my two cents.

Anybody who believes that 2 of the largest buildings on Earth would collapse on free fall just like demolition without any bombs being involved are complete idiots.

It's no surprise that most people are idiots. Most people can't figure out there own surroundings. They still either think smoking cancer is OK or breathing in second hand smoke cancer is OK. Most people on the street rush to red lights so they can wait longer and waste more gas on the way there. They think they know everything just because their mind is made up about it all. Most people believe in false realities through religions. Instead of finding out things for themselves, they foolishly make someone else explain it for them and assume that it's right.

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Another great example at why people laugh at truthers. Your reference to the supposed evidence of foreknowledge is an attempt to distort the truth.

Yes, every intelligence agency knew that AQ was a threat and was planning attacks going back to the Clinton administration.

Was there evidence that ANYBODY had information that the attacks were going to take place on 9/11? Was there any intelligence that the targets would be the Pentagon and the WTCs?

No. None.

So again, this is why intelligent, well-educated, rational people laugh at truthers. Attempts to distort and sensationalize bits of news taken from the internet and lie about what the evidence means generally isn't taken seriously.

Here's a reality check. 99.9% of people in the world have never heard of ATS, let alone care about what people post here. Same is true with the most ahem... successful of the truthers, the Loose Change crew.

Why? For the exact reasons I'm trying to describe here. If somebody is going to make allegations that 9/11 was an inside job, then they better have every piece of evidence nailed down and NEVER play fast and loose with distorted facts. Unfortunately, that is exactly what the 9/11 truth movement has done, and continues to do. And that is exactly why people laugh at truthers.

Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it... You might want to look at how you're presenting it to people.

Originally posted by realanswers
Anybody who believes that 2 of the largest buildings on Earth would collapse on free fall just like demolition without any bombs being involved are complete idiots.

As opposed to the absolutely brilliant individuals that believe the government would risk smashing airplanes into buildings they just wired to collapse perfectly into their footprint because...gosh darn it...there wouldn't be enough "awe" without the planes and President Bush would NEVER have the balls to go to war if he didn't have the support of the American people.

Puh-lease.

It's no surprise that most people are idiots.

Oh I'm not surprised that people are idiots, but...I tell you what...I never cease to be amazed at the level of idiocy some rise to.

Most people can't figure out there own surroundings.

Rule of thumb: If you're going to arrogantly and condescendingly condemn people as idiots, use proper grammar.

Most people believe in false realities through religions.

I believe in God because I really need something to pray to for patience while I'm reading your post.

Instead of finding out things for themselves, they foolishly make someone else explain it for them and assume that it's right.

EXACTLY. Which is why EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH "9/11 Mysteries" and "Who Killed John O'Neill" so they can find out FOR THEMSELVES.

Originally posted by Griff

And yet, you still parrot the official conspiracy theory? Jeez people. This isn't about politics. It's about people in our government (republican and democrats alike) murdering our own citizens.

Don't feel like quoting a huge partisan political post. I wonder what party you belong to? Nah, from your post, I don't have to wonder.

Griff,

You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

I did not parrot any official theory and I did not post a partisan political post.

The politics of the topic revolves around the FACT that the most hard core, verifiable evidence leads back to the Clinton administration, for both foreknowledge, intentionally NOT taking action to stop the attacks, and then covering-up the crime.

Where the politics comes in is when the entire MoveOn.org democratic sheeple would rather ignore the Sandy Berger case and support Hillary Clinton because they only want to demonize the republicans, and more specifically, George Bush.

Any self-respecting person who claims to want to get to the bottom of 9/11 would be appalled and renounce any support for Clinton as a presidential candidate for hiring Berger to be part of her campaign. This is a convicted felon who admitted to destroying classified documents prior to his 9/11 Commission testimony. The Clintons even went on a national PR tour talking about how Sandy is just sloppy. No, he wasn't sloppy. He went into the national archives and stole documents for the purpose of destroying them.

Second, the person who made sure that there was no way that any pre-attack intelligence could be shared was Jamie Gorelick when she was #2 at the Justice Department. This is where the real seams into the conspiracy start, not with the misinfo about holograms, phantom planes, etc.

Your post is a perfect example of the problems facing the so-called truth movement. You give no indication of caring about the truth and you seem more proud that you waste your time here gathering thousands of ATS points that accomplish ZERO. You are living in a tiny universe of keyboard commandos who get off on discussing all these conspiracy theories and do NOTHING tangible about it.

NOTHING, Griff. Read it again, over and over. For as much as you claim to stand for something, your ATS points mean squat. You have done ZERO. For as much as you pretend to have more knowledge about the truth of 9/11, you have still done NOTHING.

Maybe this is why people laugh at truthers. All talk and no action. For every minute you post on ATS preaching to the choir or antagonizing non-believers you could have been doing something useful.

Sure, feel good about yourself by deriding me because I do not have 15,000 ATS points like you and other regulars here. So what? Maybe that means I do things more constructive with my time.

You get it yet about why people that do NOT have 15,000 ATS points laugh at truthers?

P.S. The put options are a non-issue. Research it yourself. Caustic Logic had a thread here I think that went into this subject in detail.

Originally posted by Gazman
Is it just me or are you getting it as well?? People TO THIS DAY still reckons im a idiot or a nut...

43% of Americans think the government is hiding something... but this doesn't seem like the case in Australia...

[edit on 8-10-2007 by Gazman]

Well the statement is VERY VAGUE. 43% of americans think the government is hiding SOMETHING.

Yes, I'm sure they are hiding SOMETHING about 9/11.
Now are they hiding the fact that the US government did it, is a completely different matter.

My personal opinion is that the US government failed to prevent 9/11 from happening on many fronts due to massive incompetence. Of course they don't really want to tell you that the people who were supposed to be protecting us, were asleep at the switch-thus the conspiracy part. Does anyone want to admit when they're wrong? Of course not. Would you want to admit you weren't paying attention on your watch and because of that, 3000+ people have died??? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I simply don't believe that ANYONE in the government is smart enough to pull off a conspiracy of this magnitude.

Why am I still getting laughed at when I tell people that the 9/11 attack was questionable??

Probably because you are parroting paranoid nonsense which puts off
most people.

Also should remove the tin foil wrapped around your head too...

Originally posted by thedman
Probably because you are parroting paranoid nonsense which puts off
most people.

You mean like the people that believe the official story parrot whatever the media tell them?

I found a quote which I think has application here



Just because someone says something is true on either side (conspiracy or not), look beyond the rhetoric and look at the facts. The fact is there is no solid evidence that the government was involved in 9/11. There is rumor, supposition, unsupported hypothesis but no concrete facts. What makes it really hard to get a clear picture of what really happened, is all the people who spit out guesses and present them as facts. For some people, they don't want to know the truth, they want there to be a conspiracy. They would rather believe that the most powerful government on the planet was complicate in 9/11 then simply asleep at the switch.

Originally posted by jfj123
The fact is there is no solid evidence that the government was involved in 9/11. There is rumor, supposition, unsupported hypothesis but no concrete facts.

Just like there is no solid evidence or concrete facts to support the official story but people hang on to it just because the media stated it.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
The fact is there is no solid evidence that the government was involved in 9/11. There is rumor, supposition, unsupported hypothesis but no concrete facts.

Just like there is no solid evidence or concrete facts to support the official story but people hang on to it just because the media stated it.

Actually there is plenty of evidence to support the official story. Every conspiracy hypothesis regarding 9/11 has been debunked. I have no love for our current administration and if I thought there was any CREDIBLE evidence that the US government was actually involved, I would be all over supporting it.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
The fact is there is no solid evidence that the government was involved in 9/11. There is rumor, supposition, unsupported hypothesis but no concrete facts.

Just like there is no solid evidence or concrete facts to support the official story but people hang on to it just because the media stated it.

We should also reasonably go by the "innocent until proven guilty" idea regarding the government. If we don't, it would also reasonable for us to allow the government to presume it's citizens, guilty until proven innocent as well. We wouldn't want to promote hypocrisy, now would we?

Originally posted by jfj123
We should also reasonably go by the "innocent until proven guilty" idea regarding the government. If we don't, it would also reasonable for us to allow the government to presume it's citizens, guilty until proven innocent as well. We wouldn't want to promote hypocrisy, now would we?

Well i for 1 never said the government did it. But there is plenty of evidence that they had plenty or warnings. So either they ignored the warnings or they may have let it happen.

NORAD let those planes fly around for an hour without escort, but instead of anyone getting fired, they received promotions and awards.

Here is just one of the many undisputed truth's of 911.

From CooperativeResearch.org

On the first anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, the story of what President Bush did on that day is significantly rewritten. In actual fact, when Chief of Staff Andrew Card told Bush about the second plane crash into the WTC, Bush continued to sit in a Florida elementary school classroom and hear a story about a pet goat for at least seven more minutes (see (9:06 a.m.-9:16 a.m.) September 11, 2001; (9:06 a.m.) September 11, 2001), as video footage later broadcast in the 2004 movie Fahrenheit 9/11 shows.

But one year later, (before the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 had been released)Card claims that after he told Bush about the second WTC crash, “it was only a matter of seconds” before Bush “excused himself very politely to the teacher and to the students, and he left the Florida classroom.” [San Francisco Chronicle, 9/11/2002] In a different account, Card says, “Not that many seconds later the president excused himself from the classroom.” [Newsweek, 9/9/2002] An interview with the classroom teacher claims that Bush left the class even before the second WTC crash: “The president bolted right out of here and told me: ‘Take over.’” When the second WTC crash occurred, she claims her students are watching television in a nearby media room. [New York Post, 9/12/2002]

In fact the teacher Sandra Kay Daniels told 3 different stories regarding the President's actions on 9/11. Why did Andy Card lie?... and why did the teacher Sandra Kay Daniels lie??? Who told Ms Daniels to lie??

The fact is the secret service, which is in direct communication with PEOC FAA and NORAD, did not bustle the President from his well publicized photo op! Think about that for a moment. I had enough sense to tell my wife to stay away from the city this is obviously an attack.

Dick Cheney said the Secret Service physically forced him to move to the PEOC.
"At about 9:35 a.m., Vice President Cheney was standing by his desk, looking at the TV in the corner. A Secret Service agent said to him, in a tone that brooked no dissent, "Sir, we have to leave now." The agent grabbed the vice president by the back of his belt and aimed him at the door. "They practice this," says Cheney. "You move. Whether you want to be moved or not, you're going. They don't exactly pick you up and carry you. It's more like they propel you forward." (Newsweek)

But the President he just sits in the classroom and then after the photo op hold a news conference in the same building???

I know it proves nothing but this is one of the many many facts about 9/11 that just don't add up!!

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
I know it proves nothing but this is one of the many many facts about 9/11 that just don't add up!!

Yes, the secret service eitherr dropped the ball or somethign else was going on. The secret service should grabbed the president and dragged him out of there as soon as the second plane hit.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
We should also reasonably go by the "innocent until proven guilty" idea regarding the government. If we don't, it would also reasonable for us to allow the government to presume it's citizens, guilty until proven innocent as well. We wouldn't want to promote hypocrisy, now would we?

Well i for 1 never said the government did it. But there is plenty of evidence that they had plenty or warnings. So either they ignored the warnings or they may have let it happen.

NORAD let those planes fly around for an hour without escort, but instead of anyone getting fired, they received promotions and awards.

Here are some actual facts regarding NORAD and 9/11



and why didn't NORADS alarms go off you ask???

I know it proves nothing but this is one of the many many facts about 9/11 that just don't add up!!

Well, I am not sure of those posted facts but I can speculate as to why the president didn't run out of there instantly.

If the president did run out of there on TV, that would have instantly started a nation wide panic and with no information to give us (US citizens) things might have gotten ugly quick.

Originally posted by jfj123
Here are some actual facts regarding NORAD and 9/11

On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

You really should look up the FAA and NORAD regulations for hijacked aircraft.

There is not way NORAD should have left an airliner near restricted airspace. So either they dropped the ball or were given false information.