Welcome all truth seekers. In this discussion I want to try to uncover whether David Icke is just some crazy nut or is he a brilliant researcher. Let’s dig right into this. I have read many of the major conspiracy author’s books, and listened to their lectures. The major ones in my eyes are Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, Jim Marrs, Fritz Springmeier, Len Horowitz, and of course David Icke.

I was first introduced to some of David Icke’s theories when I ended up coming across a document he wrote sometime ago. It basically covered the Freeman incident, which If you don’t know is about a group of people who declared themselves sovereign from the United States, and did it all while abiding by the laws of the United States. Now I am not going to go into details on how this was done, but if you do a little research on the Freeman incident you will come across some of the details. This document was quite interesting to me, and as I got through this information, eventually he started talking about some of the conspiracy theories revolving around the Freemasons, and many leaders of different countries. Which again I must say was very interesting and there is a lot of evident to support such theories. Shortly after this, Icke came upon the topic that has made him famous or infamous; the idea of a reptilian species on the planet. This is when my ears turned off and my mind said “Ok, you were good up till now. What the heck is this about some sci-fi type creature that has taken over the world or whatever” I must admit I quit reading the document after that, and didn’t really pursue any more of David Icke’s work after this. It was a good couple years before I ever got back to reading David Icke’s material.

A couple of years later; after I had read quite a great deal of material by different authors, in the area of Religion, Conspiracy, Aliens, Paranormal, Freemasonry, Symbology, and many other subjects. I did find a remarkable amount of claims by different people of a reptilian like creature; some even referenced the Grays that everyone has heard of as being reptilian like. Mind you these people are not conspiracy researcher, some say they were just trying to make a buck, and indeed some probably were, but why reptilian, and why so many claims there obviously must be some truth to this. I recommend The Universal Seduction series; it has many different sighting and claims listed that are generally unbiased. Might I also mention that many of the religions have the evil god/being ex. Satan, as being reptilian? What’s this about a serpent in the garden? Some religions even reference a great alligator as the evil one. Perhaps there is more to this after all, maybe Satan isn’t referred to as the great serpent just because he was slippery, perhaps he had an appearance of a reptile. “Now I’m not saying this is absolutely the answer, I am just trying to open your mind up to the possibility of it. I don’t know all the answers but there is some evidence to support this claim.” Perhaps the Nephelium, that are referred to in the beginning of Genesis 6 were reptilian like creatures who knows.

My point is that unless you know all or at least a great deal of the facts, do not throw an idea out. Set it on the back burner, someday you may find it fits. Even so even if David is completely wrong on the reptilian idea, does it matter? That’s like saying that before I went to school I believed that the world was flat, and then later found out that it is in fact round, but because I announced that is was flat early on, now everything I say from this point on is wrong. This is nuts in my opinion. My views 10 years ago are way different from my views now. I would have said you are nuts if anyone came up to me and told me what I know now, and 10 years from now I will have very different views from now. Your perspective of a situation or idea is completely based on the knowledge you have acquired at that moment.

David Icke does not profess to a religion, but he does believe in a god like entity or energy. He has many times said that we are all a part of the great source. It is his energy that runs through us. So in that sense I guess we are all part of God. If anyone can show me where he says he is a messiah or Son of God I would be much obliged. Otherwise I regard this as completely disinformation to discredit him.

To conclude this I wish to ask each and every one of you to open your minds, and your hearts. Do not throw anything away unless you know for a fact that is crap. What seems to be crap now may be the answer you have been looking for later? Am I declaring that reptilians exist? No and Yes, I believe it is possible; there is evidence to support and to dismiss this. Does it matter? No, it’s good to have it in your mind as a possibility but don’t get hung up on it. I have read many of David Icke’s books and they contain a lot of very good information. I personally want to declare that David is a brilliant researcher who is willing to think outside the box. I hope each and every one of you can learn this skill. Just because you think something that is out of ordinary is possible, doesn’t make you a nut, it makes you free. I wish you all luck in your research, and may we all find the answer we are search for.

Researcher,

Blake K. Stoltman

I don't knwo about his reptilian thing, but on his website, just about everything else he has is pretty good. I find info on there that people aren't talking about on here and most of it shows up here so that kind of lends some validity to him and his sources. As for his reptilian stuff, I'm not sold on that; however, everytime I hear him talk on a program, its usually not about that, so I'd say he has some pretty good research.

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I think Icke is brilliant thinker, speaker, and researcher when it comes to his books. He has studied every aspect of our government, from its symbolisms and cult like rituals, to the bloodlines that show the connections to past cultures and time periods. I also believe that his reptilian remarks are true and sincere. The symbolism, and ancient accounts of reptilian forms are constantly showing up. The fact that George Bush is literally taking away our rights as Americans and using the secret governments agendas against us is also astonishing evidence. I would love to see him or others like him shapeshift. I think everyone does. And I think the truth will come out someday...if we all begin to see what is going on

he is half nut, half brilliant.

the reptilian theory is just ,, dumb, and some other of his theries are pretty ridicoulus too.

i agree only int he nwo and world domination.

You just have to really sift through his books. Lotta good, lotta bad...

Like another poster said, Icke's work is combination of good and bad. He's done some very interesting research regarding the New World Order, but you have to be able to separate it from all the Reptilian rubbish and New Age baggage. I like to interpret his more far-fetched theories metaphorically instead of actually wondering which politicians are shape-sifting cross-dimensional aliens. I think his writing is more like entertainment than serious scholarly research, but is still worthwhile.

Nutter or not, I am very fond of his saying, "infinite love is the only truth." Very true!

[edit on 25-4-2008 by bled_eidol]

Originally posted by BStoltman
David Icke - Nut or Brilliant Researcher

BOTH. He's really good at the research and I think he makes a good case with a lot of stuff. I'm definately not sold on the reptilian thing though.

Originally posted by Drzava
he is half nut, half brilliant.

I agree with Drzava...
I think he is not really brilliant, but he isn't either nut...
I didnt read his books to be honest, but I've read things about him, and about some stuff he says... I think the reptilian thing is just too crazy...

At the end of the day my take on Icke is simple. He is a brave man to stand up and speak out against the mainstream. His research is well done and very detailed. Yes he uses work from others like Maxwell but also adds to it and tries to evolve it into some sense. I agree the reptilian topic is hard to swallow, but that does not mean we should just laugh and ignore it.

There are some things going on in this world i am sure would make us all freak out if we knew. Icke is just trying his darn best to uncover what this is.

So is he a nut? No i dont believe so.

Is he a brilliant researcher? Yes i would say so.

You have to ask yourselves a question. Just look at the garbage we see on the mainstream. Then listen to these great researchers like Maxwell and Icke. They may not always be 100% right, but they are giving 100% to try to find out the thruth.

Like Maxwell said. Dont listen to those who have found the truth, listen to those who are searching for the truth and the truth will set you free.

And one more thing. Those people who are Anti-Icke, it is IMO that these people just focus on the early days of Icke, failed footy player, Wogan TV show and the reptilian theory. If they gave just a moment of their time to his recent works they would soon realise there is a great amount of information to digest which we would never see in the mainstream.

I say good work David and keep it up.

Oh and has anyone heard about Maxwell recently? I heard he was in some trouble.

Peace.




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Why is this thread not getting more coverage ?

I see a common trend with David Icke threads. They all get moved and canned as soon as possible. I am beginning to wonder why!

Is there some type of Anti-Icke conspiracy going on here at ATS?

If not then maybe noone is interested.

But that makes no sense either because 90% of all the topics discussed here at ATS are also lengthly discussed by Icke. So what gives ?

Just my 2 cents.

Peace.

It seems a lot of people on ATS believe David Icke just made up the whole reptilian thing himself which is ridiculous and just shows how ignorant a lot of people are on ATS.

The first time I heard about Illuminati was from 2pac when I was a kid.
Later in my teens I got into it a bit more and my great grandmother told me about reptilians in our old history and old bible, she was born in 1908 so its nothing new.

People need to do a bit more research instead of just ignoring the reptilian thing just because it "sounds crazy".

Fact has always been crazier than fiction.

buds84: I didn't realize 2pac has ever mentioned such things... I'm not really in to rap, can you post some lyrics or give me some song titles? I'm interested...