David Icke - Nut or Brilliant Researcher

Welcome all truth seekers. In this discussion I want to try to uncover whether David Icke is just some crazy nut or is he a brilliant researcher. Let’s dig right into this. I have read many of the major conspiracy author’s books, and listened to their lectures. The major ones in my eyes are Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, Jim Marrs, Fritz Springmeier, Len Horowitz, and of course David Icke.

I was first introduced to some of David Icke’s theories when I ended up coming across a document he wrote sometime ago. It basically covered the Freeman incident, which If you don’t know is about a group of people who declared themselves sovereign from the United States, and did it all while abiding by the laws of the United States. Now I am not going to go into details on how this was done, but if you do a little research on the Freeman incident you will come across some of the details. This document was quite interesting to me, and as I got through this information, eventually he started talking about some of the conspiracy theories revolving around the Freemasons, and many leaders of different countries. Which again I must say was very interesting and there is a lot of evident to support such theories. Shortly after this, Icke came upon the topic that has made him famous or infamous; the idea of a reptilian species on the planet. This is when my ears turned off and my mind said “Ok, you were good up till now. What the heck is this about some sci-fi type creature that has taken over the world or whatever” I must admit I quit reading the document after that, and didn’t really pursue any more of David Icke’s work after this. It was a good couple years before I ever got back to reading David Icke’s material.

A couple of years later; after I had read quite a great deal of material by different authors, in the area of Religion, Conspiracy, Aliens, Paranormal, Freemasonry, Symbology, and many other subjects. I did find a remarkable amount of claims by different people of a reptilian like creature; some even referenced the Grays that everyone has heard of as being reptilian like. Mind you these people are not conspiracy researcher, some say they were just trying to make a buck, and indeed some probably were, but why reptilian, and why so many claims there obviously must be some truth to this. I recommend The Universal Seduction series; it has many different sighting and claims listed that are generally unbiased. Might I also mention that many of the religions have the evil god/being ex. Satan, as being reptilian? What’s this about a serpent in the garden? Some religions even reference a great alligator as the evil one. Perhaps there is more to this after all, maybe Satan isn’t referred to as the great serpent just because he was slippery, perhaps he had an appearance of a reptile. “Now I’m not saying this is absolutely the answer, I am just trying to open your mind up to the possibility of it. I don’t know all the answers but there is some evidence to support this claim.” Perhaps the Nephelium, that are referred to in the beginning of Genesis 6 were reptilian like creatures who knows.

My point is that unless you know all or at least a great deal of the facts, do not throw an idea out. Set it on the back burner, someday you may find it fits. Even so even if David is completely wrong on the reptilian idea, does it matter? That’s like saying that before I went to school I believed that the world was flat, and then later found out that it is in fact round, but because I announced that is was flat early on, now everything I say from this point on is wrong. This is nuts in my opinion. My views 10 years ago are way different from my views now. I would have said you are nuts if anyone came up to me and told me what I know now, and 10 years from now I will have very different views from now. Your perspective of a situation or idea is completely based on the knowledge you have acquired at that moment.

David Icke does not profess to a religion, but he does believe in a god like entity or energy. He has many times said that we are all a part of the great source. It is his energy that runs through us. So in that sense I guess we are all part of God. If anyone can show me where he says he is a messiah or Son of God I would be much obliged. Otherwise I regard this as completely disinformation to discredit him.

To conclude this I wish to ask each and every one of you to open your minds, and your hearts. Do not throw anything away unless you know for a fact that is crap. What seems to be crap now may be the answer you have been looking for later? Am I declaring that reptilians exist? No and Yes, I believe it is possible; there is evidence to support and to dismiss this. Does it matter? No, it’s good to have it in your mind as a possibility but don’t get hung up on it. I have read many of David Icke’s books and they contain a lot of very good information. I personally want to declare that David is a brilliant researcher who is willing to think outside the box. I hope each and every one of you can learn this skill. Just because you think something that is out of ordinary is possible, doesn’t make you a nut, it makes you free. I wish you all luck in your research, and may we all find the answer we are search for.

Researcher,

Blake K. Stoltman

I don't knwo about his reptilian thing, but on his website, just about everything else he has is pretty good. I find info on there that people aren't talking about on here and most of it shows up here so that kind of lends some validity to him and his sources. As for his reptilian stuff, I'm not sold on that; however, everytime I hear him talk on a program, its usually not about that, so I'd say he has some pretty good research.

[edit on 7-10-2007 by ChrisJr03]

I think Icke is brilliant thinker, speaker, and researcher when it comes to his books. He has studied every aspect of our government, from its symbolisms and cult like rituals, to the bloodlines that show the connections to past cultures and time periods. I also believe that his reptilian remarks are true and sincere. The symbolism, and ancient accounts of reptilian forms are constantly showing up. The fact that George Bush is literally taking away our rights as Americans and using the secret governments agendas against us is also astonishing evidence. I would love to see him or others like him shapeshift. I think everyone does. And I think the truth will come out someday...if we all begin to see what is going on

he is half nut, half brilliant.

the reptilian theory is just ,, dumb, and some other of his theries are pretty ridicoulus too.

i agree only int he nwo and world domination.

You just have to really sift through his books. Lotta good, lotta bad...

On 6-10-07 BStoltman wrote on David Icke:

What’s this about a serpent in the garden? .... there is more to this after all, ...
My point is that unless you know all or at least a great deal of the facts, do not throw an idea out. Set it on the back burner, someday you may find it fits. Even so even if David is completely wrong on the reptilian idea, does it matter?
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Noetic analysis:

First of all, the 'serpent in the garden' is an ex post facto event. He was a brilliant, erect, talking creature, a species very close to humans, one of a kind. After his deception, he was condemned into the crawling, wriggling serpent.

From: [PB]
Sbject: RE: KJ FORUM N76 Weedon : POTABLE AFTER BOILING
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:48:12 +0000
From: PB medinuclearathotmaildotcom 9-23-04

Comments by PB on KARL JASPERS FORUM N76 *POTABLE AFTER BOILING* by RW, 21 September 2006, posted 23 September 2006

[RW] N76
We are by nature natural before we are by culture cultured.
Our oldest myths rise
from prehistory and
are not to be ignored.

[PB]
The Natural Man conceived-and-born depraved
By no cultured human effort can ever be cured
No subtly devised fables validate Power over Death
Such Majesty only eyewitness account confirmeth

[RW]

Adam and Eve and
two intruders, God and Snake,
are a case in point

[PB]
No crawling wriggling creature was that Eden Serpent
Walked upright, mimicked better than an ape or parrot
A cunning intermediate, no less, betwixt man and beast
The Mighty Fall fell this wily also flat on belly: ingest dust

Who that conscious Intruder into the triune Echad
Of matter, space and time, the wholesome triad
Consciousness, mind and body, Creator’s facsimile?
Fallen Cherub of the Triune Elohim was that Rebel

[RW]
Like ourselves, these myths
are a tad schiz-y, Culture
confounding Nature.

[PB]
Death, corruption and the Solid Law of Entropy
Make devolution evident; no Upturn without Energy
Externally endowed on hapless, hopeless, degeneracy
Of doleful existential tread-mill with no sufficiency

PB, PhD 21 September 2006, posted 23 September 2006

KARL JASPERS FORUM N79 (to N77) POTABLE AFTER BOILING

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In view of the many recent publications on Dark Matter (GOOGLE for Dark matter, Dark Chemistry, Dark Biology, Invisible Homo Sapiens, Dark Politics..) could it be possible that the the so called Obamania is a Dark Matter phenomenon? It could very well be 'chanelling' on a mass scale (as in SETH/Jane Robert).

Whether astrophysical dark matter or string-theoretical axion exists or not will not be a serious issue as far as the biosphere is concerned. There could be a bio-dark-matter lurking behind sentient processes? Dark Matter atoms may yield, dark chemistries which in turn may lead to dark biology and a an invisible body for every human capable of 'chanelling'.

Empirically a vegetative state is common to all sentience, an animal state is common to animals including humans, but the anthropic state with its MIND is unique to humans only. Experimentally the bio-photon emission from live plant cells is about 10 times more than that of human cells. Animal cells have a rate in between. A differential distribution of bio-dark matter across the taxa may explain the differences in the biophoton emission rates.

Noetic Journal Vol 4 # 4, 351-360, 2003,
[Nobelist Sir John Eccles Centennial Edition].

Dark Chemistry or Psychic Spin Pixel? NeuroQuantology, June 2007, Vol. 5 # 2, 197-204
Dark Matter & Dark Chemistry NeuroQuantology September 2007, Vol 5 # 3, 322-326...

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Like another poster said, Icke's work is combination of good and bad. He's done some very interesting research regarding the New World Order, but you have to be able to separate it from all the Reptilian rubbish and New Age baggage. I like to interpret his more far-fetched theories metaphorically instead of actually wondering which politicians are shape-sifting cross-dimensional aliens. I think his writing is more like entertainment than serious scholarly research, but is still worthwhile.

Nutter or not, I am very fond of his saying, "infinite love is the only truth." Very true!

[edit on 25-4-2008 by bled_eidol]

BOTH. He's really good at the research and I think he makes a good case with a lot of stuff. I'm definately not sold on the reptilian thing though.