Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
This is the basic point:
If some of you knew how to interpret my posts, you'd know that I'm referring to the point in time around the 1947 Partition, and slightly before. If
you don't know how to interpret it, then don't make assumptions.
Wait, so now we have to interpret you posts? Say what you mean!
Sounds to me like you don’t know the history you keep telling us to learn so you speak in these vague terms about the past so as not to sound
I don't know if it was a Jew or a Muslim who first set foot on the land that is now Israel. That's not what I'm debating, because frankly, I
You dont care? Are you saying that you WANT to remain ignorant because knowledge of the truth doesnt help your view point!
The FACTS are this: Palestinians were displaced. They had control of this land, everything was fine in that area, and they were
The facts are this, willfully ignorant grasshopper: Jews were there first, and they were DISPLACED. They had control of this land,
and they were displaced.
Really - is it just coincidence that the violence in the Middle East has skyrocketed in such a short period of time since that
Again, if you didn’t run from history you would realize how ridiculous that is. That region has been at war for ever. First the Jews had it, then
the Romans ruled them, then the Muslims came and finished DISPLACING them. Then there were the crusades, where Christians and Muslims fought over it,
then some more crusades, then some more. Then, after Israel was done being kicked around by every nation and people on earth, the world felt bad and
gave them their home back.
Another FACT is that Israel is allowed to do what ever it pleases. They're allowed to have nuclear weapons. They're allowed to bully other
nations, bomb other nations, and if any of those nations retaliates, it's terrorism.
The war monger Israel view point only works if you
don’t think they have a right to be there. If you do recognize Israel as a state, then you can see defense for what it is.
Another FACT is that the Holocaust happened in Europe. If we, the British, and the Soviets were so damn sympathetic of the Jewish people during
that time, we could have sacrificed a little land in our respective controlled areas of Germany and formed a Jewish state.
What? They were a
ME peoples. They lived in Palestine before any other group still around to stake a claim.
And what person in his right mind thinks that they would have wanted in stay in Germany after all that happened to them there?
Thats just sick.
How about we build them homes on top of the concentration death camps?
I don't care what the Bible says. You don't make political decisions based on religion. You can't stop every last lunatic from doing it, but
the all mighty UN should be above it.
Hold your horses there.
Iran makes most of its decisions based on religion. In fact, Ackmenjihad came to our county recently and spoke of the return of the umpteenth
Imam. This is reference to the ushering in of the end times, of Armageddon, of the end of the world, where all those evil Jews will be killed.
And he needs the bomb?
You make the Jewish state in Germany because it HAPPENED in Germany.
Again, thats just sick.
So - again - who was the first to set foot on the land? A Jew or a Muslim? Maybe a Christian? I don't know, and I don't care.
Maybe a Muslim or a Christian? You ignorance on this matter is overwhelmingly self induced. The very basics of Islam and Christianity make it
impossible for them to have been there before Jews.
They are all Abrahamic religions worshiping the same God.
First was the Jews. Then The Christ came (thats Jesus, FYI) and he was a Jew, and Jews existed for over a thousand years before him, so it would
stand to reason that they were there first.
Then, 7 hundred years or so after The Christ ascended to Heaven, Mohamed claimed that the Quran was given to him.
So, the Jews were there first and you cant stick you head in the sand any longer.
If I did care, I'd like to see anyone truly prove which one set foot there first. And when I say truly prove, I mean don't give me Bible
It doesnt require bible text, no one really disputes what I said above. Well, there are some who think Jesus never walked the earth, but
there aren’t really any solid arguments to that, however in this context it doesn’t really matter because Christianity was there before Islam even
if there was no Christ and no Mohamed.
So who was truly there first is up for debate
Only in your head.
- but is pretty much worthless, because the facts that Palestinians were displaced,
How can you say that it doesnt matter who was there first and that you dont know and dont care, but that the Palestinians were there first?
That makes no sense!
Whoever was there first was displaced and is just trying to take back what is theirs.
[edit on 7-10-2007 by cavscout]