You know what? All sides are no good, but man those people in Iran really hate us. If I can make peace I would, but that will never happen, so long as a gov built on Islam exist. C'mon the religion teaches u to kill someone if he/she don't believe or if a person leaves the religion. People even get shot in the streets for wearing shorts. It's rediculous.
Sometimes war is inevitable for peace to come. Maybe we do need one united world, but to get there u would have to eliminate all your enemies. The only major country that is in our way for peace is Iran. If we eliminate them, then peace might happen. China, N Korea, and Russia is a exception, they are more civilized, their people don't hate us, so I'm okay with them.

I read on the news somewhere that Isreal and Palastine actually belong to the Jews because King Soloman was a Jew and he and his people were their before the Palestinians. His temple today happens to lay beneath a Islamic Mos.

Here u go I found this on Wikipedia.

Solomon's Temple
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Solomon's Temple (Hebrew: בית המקדש, transliterated Beit HaMikdash), also known as the First Temple, was, according to the Bible, the first Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

It functioned as a religious focal point for worship and the sacrifices known as the korbanot in ancient Judaism. Completed in the 10th century BCE, it was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. The reconstructed temple in Jerusalem, which stood between 516 BCE and 70 CE, was the Second Temple.

So if the Muslims built a temple over King Solomans temple, which was discovered recently, I think. Than that means King Soloman and his people were there first, who belived in Judaism. So I guess the Jews would have the right to claim the land because it originally belong to them before it was taken away.

There have been numerous posts on who was there first in this thread but these fall on deaf ears.

Israel came before Palestine, so mentioning anything else is not going to work unless you are too ignorant to do any research on world history. I think this is the case with some of the members of this site.

I won't go into the Muslim versus Hebrew arguement on who built what first, this is a no brainer and the Hebrews should ask the Muslims to leave the land that they lived on for thousands of years before Muhammed was even thought of. The Hebrews already tried to share the area, but we know who said no to that.

Why is this part of history hard to understand? Why do so many people think Palestine was around first? I think history is too hard to swallow for some since it will instantly change the way they think and understand that the Hebrews have a right to live in Israel no matter what anyone else says.

Why is this part of history hard to understand? Why do so many people think Palestine was around first? I think history is too hard to swallow for some since it will instantly change the way they think and understand that the Hebrews have a right to live in Israel no matter what anyone else says

History according to the bible? This is what your trying to get at?

The Jews are God's chosen people and he promised them the land of Israel?

The bible is an interesting read, I may read it to my children one day, but is it not a factual account of history. You have no proof that it is.

CT

This is the basic point:

If some of you knew how to interpret my posts, you'd know that I'm referring to the point in time around the 1947 Partition, and slightly before. If you don't know how to interpret it, then don't make assumptions.

I don't know if it was a Jew or a Muslim who first set foot on the land that is now Israel. That's not what I'm debating, because frankly, I don't care.

The FACTS are this: Palestinians were displaced. They had control of this land, everything was fine in that area, and they were displaced.

Really - is it just coincidence that the violence in the Middle East has skyrocketed in such a short period of time since that partition?

Another FACT is that Israel is allowed to do what ever it pleases. They're allowed to have nuclear weapons. They're allowed to bully other nations, bomb other nations, and if any of those nations retaliates, it's terrorism.

Another FACT is that the Holocaust happened in Europe. If we, the British, and the Soviets were so damn sympathetic of the Jewish people during that time, we could have sacrificed a little land in our respective controlled areas of Germany and formed a Jewish state.

I don't care what the Bible says. You don't make political decisions based on religion. You can't stop every last lunatic from doing it, but the all mighty UN should be above it. You make the Jewish state in Germany because it HAPPENED in Germany.

So - again - who was the first to set foot on the land? A Jew or a Muslim? Maybe a Christian? I don't know, and I don't care. If I did care, I'd like to see anyone truly prove which one set foot there first. And when I say truly prove, I mean don't give me Bible text.

So who was truly there first is up for debate - but is pretty much worthless, because the facts that Palestinians were displaced, Israel is now given special treatment and is allowed to violate international law, and is allowed to have nuclear weapons when others aren't, is horrible all on it's own, and shouldn't be supported.

Yet, of course, it is, because they're poor and defenseless and concerned about their well being - and those scary Muslims are terrorists.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
If some of you knew how to interpret my posts, you'd know that I'm referring to the point in time around the 1947 Partition, and slightly before. If you don't know how to interpret it, then don't make assumptions.

I don't know if it was a Jew or a Muslim who first set foot on the land that is now Israel. That's not what I'm debating, because frankly, I don't care.

The FACTS are this: Palestinians were displaced. They had control of this land, everything was fine in that area, and they were displaced.

So basically you are admitting that you were wrong and are now trying to save face by saying you were talking about one little particular time period. Yeah right!!

Of course you don't care to look further back because it throws your entire opinion out the window and proves you are wrong! Using your analogy all we have to do is look at one particular battle of WWI or WWII to decide who won the war instead of who won the war entirely. Don't you see the fallacy of your argument?

Originally posted by humanunnaki
(I lived in AK for eleven years. It is not survivable without help from the southern 48 unless you go native and eat muktuk

You must have lived here a long time ago

The household mean income in Anchorage is $10,000.00 a year higher than the lower 48. We have Sam's Clubs, Walmarts, Fred Meyers, Safeway's, Best Buy and should I keep going? We are getting ready to build a bridge to expand Anchorage because it is out of land and is still growing really fast. No not the bridge people were laughing about south of Juneau. The bridge we really need that Democrats are lying about here in Anchorage. The main reason we need it is the Military is hogging all the best land so a bridge is the only solution.

Like I said you lived here a long while ago I think. Keep telling people that though. Too many people moving here for my liking. My favorite is when people drive up expecting the old gravel Alcan Highway that was replaced in 63 I think They are surprised when its a paved road with plenty of gas stations and motels.

To the Iran Apologists. Hezbollah is Iran. Iran has never made a secret of that. Whenever Hezbollah blows up a wedding or a restaurant it is actually Iran doing it. But then you know that but it does not help you with your hatred of America or your hatred of Jews. As to the mistranslations. What a bunch of crap. These translations of that nuts threats are being made by people who speak the language as well as any Iranian and you know that too. Don't you. Why do you feel it necessary to rewrite what he says. Are you embarrassed about him?

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
This is the basic point:

If some of you knew how to interpret my posts, you'd know that I'm referring to the point in time around the 1947 Partition, and slightly before. If you don't know how to interpret it, then don't make assumptions.

Wait, so now we have to interpret you posts? Say what you mean!

Sounds to me like you don’t know the history you keep telling us to learn so you speak in these vague terms about the past so as not to sound ignorant.

I don't know if it was a Jew or a Muslim who first set foot on the land that is now Israel. That's not what I'm debating, because frankly, I don't care.

You dont care? Are you saying that you WANT to remain ignorant because knowledge of the truth doesnt help your view point!

Wow.

The FACTS are this: Palestinians were displaced. They had control of this land, everything was fine in that area, and they were displaced.

The facts are this, willfully ignorant grasshopper: Jews were there first, and they were DISPLACED. They had control of this land, and they were displaced.

Really - is it just coincidence that the violence in the Middle East has skyrocketed in such a short period of time since that partition?

Again, if you didn’t run from history you would realize how ridiculous that is. That region has been at war for ever. First the Jews had it, then the Romans ruled them, then the Muslims came and finished DISPLACING them. Then there were the crusades, where Christians and Muslims fought over it, then some more crusades, then some more. Then, after Israel was done being kicked around by every nation and people on earth, the world felt bad and gave them their home back.

Another FACT is that Israel is allowed to do what ever it pleases. They're allowed to have nuclear weapons. They're allowed to bully other nations, bomb other nations, and if any of those nations retaliates, it's terrorism.

The war monger Israel view point only works if you don’t think they have a right to be there. If you do recognize Israel as a state, then you can see defense for what it is.

Another FACT is that the Holocaust happened in Europe. If we, the British, and the Soviets were so damn sympathetic of the Jewish people during that time, we could have sacrificed a little land in our respective controlled areas of Germany and formed a Jewish state.

What? They were a ME peoples. They lived in Palestine before any other group still around to stake a claim.

And what person in his right mind thinks that they would have wanted in stay in Germany after all that happened to them there?

Thats just sick.

How about we build them homes on top of the concentration death camps?

I don't care what the Bible says. You don't make political decisions based on religion. You can't stop every last lunatic from doing it, but the all mighty UN should be above it.

Hold your horses there.

Iran makes most of its decisions based on religion. In fact, Ackmenjihad came to our county recently and spoke of the return of the umpteenth
Imam. This is reference to the ushering in of the end times, of Armageddon, of the end of the world, where all those evil Jews will be killed.

And he needs the bomb?

You make the Jewish state in Germany because it HAPPENED in Germany.

Again, thats just sick.

So - again - who was the first to set foot on the land? A Jew or a Muslim? Maybe a Christian? I don't know, and I don't care.

Maybe a Muslim or a Christian? You ignorance on this matter is overwhelmingly self induced. The very basics of Islam and Christianity make it impossible for them to have been there before Jews.

They are all Abrahamic religions worshiping the same God.

First was the Jews. Then The Christ came (thats Jesus, FYI) and he was a Jew, and Jews existed for over a thousand years before him, so it would stand to reason that they were there first.

Then, 7 hundred years or so after The Christ ascended to Heaven, Mohamed claimed that the Quran was given to him.

So, the Jews were there first and you cant stick you head in the sand any longer.

If I did care, I'd like to see anyone truly prove which one set foot there first. And when I say truly prove, I mean don't give me Bible text.

It doesnt require bible text, no one really disputes what I said above. Well, there are some who think Jesus never walked the earth, but there aren’t really any solid arguments to that, however in this context it doesn’t really matter because Christianity was there before Islam even if there was no Christ and no Mohamed.

So who was truly there first is up for debate

Only in your head.

- but is pretty much worthless, because the facts that Palestinians were displaced,

How can you say that it doesnt matter who was there first and that you dont know and dont care, but that the Palestinians were there first?

That makes no sense!

Whoever was there first was displaced and is just trying to take back what is theirs.







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