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reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 01:38 AM by TheBorg



Originally posted by Dr Love
One last thing, who are the real problem, these illegals looking for work on a street corner or the people who use their services?

Peace


Both are equally wrong. I call them equal party enablers. The reason I say this is because they each help the other to perpetuate the situation, which further aggravates an already ridiculously huge problem. But if I was going to assign some blame to someone for being the most to blame, it would be those that knowingly broke the law by coming here through unlawful channels.

They do so at their own risk, and I know this may sound bad, but I can't feel any sympathy for them. If things are so bad at home that they feel the need to resort to illegally entering a country to seek work to just support their family, perhaps they need to DO SOMETHING to make things right? Maybe they should take action against those oppressing them, rather than running from it. If they have no real problem with the situation, then they should stay home and live in the environment that they helped to create.

I liken this to all of the other political discussions going on here on ATS, as well as everywhere else. Everyone is sick and tired of the way things are, yet no one wants to lead the charge. Well, sooner or later, someone's going to have to make a move. Hopefully, this next election will send the message that WE, the PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES, find those that we elected in contempt of Our Sovereign Laws and Constitution, and we DEMAND that they make certain changes soon, before we put someone up there that will.

The point here is, and has always been, that if we're not willing to stand up and be counted among those willing to fall to preserve the well-being of All, then who are we really, other than the sheep that are being herded around by the shepherds that really know what's going on? People everywhere need to understand this most fundamental of ideals; that when you feel that you've been oppressed too long, take up whatever means you have to to quell the threat to your safety and security. That is OUR RIGHT as PEOPLE!!

Those in Mexico can do this as readily as anyone can, and they should. If they did, then maybe they could make things better. Instead of polarizing each other, we need to come together for one singular goal; the unification of an ideal. That ideal being that every human, no matter nationality or creed, can and should be allowed to live free, and not feel set upon by those that they elect to represent them.

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I do apologize for my long-windedness here, but I think it was worth it to make the points that I did. Feel free to opine, as usual. All thoughts are welcomed.

Also, remember this in the coming ATS Presidential Election Primaries... Know who will stand for ALL of YOU, win or lose.

For Freedom,
TheBorg



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reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 01:50 AM by pluckynoonez


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How was this country founded? Was it founded with peace and caring? or rape and murder? Think deeply, Steve Doocy.



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reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 09:38 AM by passenger



Originally posted by pluckynoonez
How was this country founded? Was it founded with peace and caring? or rape and murder? Think deeply, Steve Doocy.


I can't think of a country that was founded in "peace and caring". The only exceptions would be people like the Australian Aborigines, and I would submit that they founded their homes in peace simply by virtue of the fact that there was no one to fight with. Human-kind itself (i.e. Homo Sapiens) is believed to have exterminated various other species of "humans" in the initial colonization of the planet.

Think deeply? Ok, I will. If we start allowing past grievances for acts committed centuries ago then there is no definable limit to the perpetuation of blame and guilt. This could continue from this day and into the indeterminate future.
My family’s history would serve as an example:
Some of my ancestors were forced to leave Northern Ireland because of the issues of the Potato Famine, British oppression, and religious strife. That gives me the right to get some payback from the Brits right? I demand the land back that was stolen from MY ancestors over a century ago. And any acts, illegal or otherwise, that I commit against the British Nation are justified by the history of my family’s persecution, right? My people weren’t treated with Peace and Love. I demand an apology from the Queen!
See how ludicrous this line of thinking gets?

Let’s keep the issue to temporal [i/] matters, shall we?
What illegal immigrants are doing is illegal. They don’t have a current right to enter this country by false and surreptitious means. And they certainly do not have the right to justify it, by placing the blame on us, based on the belief that our country was founded by unfair methods.



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reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 09:45 AM by Dr Love


Filming citizens picking up these illegals for labor purposes, and then filming yourself driving to the police station to deliver the film you just shot to the authorities wouldn't be nearly as funny and humiliating I guess.

BTW, good post TheBorg!

Peace

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reply posted on 13-10-2007 @ 05:40 AM by TheBorg


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Eloquent, to the point, and MUCH better than I ever could have put it. I'm SO GLAD that someone else can say what I've been thinking for so long now. THANK YOU!!

TheBorg



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reply posted on 13-10-2007 @ 11:12 PM by passenger



Originally posted by TheBorg
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Eloquent, to the point, and MUCH better than I ever could have put it. I'm SO GLAD that someone else can say what I've been thinking for so long now. THANK YOU!!

TheBorg


Not to turn this into turn this into a mutual admiration fest, but I have to admit that your posts inspired me, Borg. I think you’re posts were spot on as well. We’re both fighting the same enemy – just from different angles. Thanks to You!
That being said, I think ALL persons that think that their country is being destroyed should stand up and speak out. All this chaff that is sent out to cloud the true issues needs to be bypassed. This is not about feelings or guilt or blame. It’s about the tangible issues at hand: People entering this country, without right or approval, and taking advantage of the benefits derived from residing here. They are wrong. They are wrong legally and morally. Therefore, we have every right and obligation to resist and defend OUR Nation against those that would invade our home.



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reply posted on 15-10-2007 @ 10:06 PM by Doctor MO


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Hilarious! Man I was cracking up!! Hey the truth IS out there. Listen you cannot be American without having some issue with one of the races in this country. You know Beaners are racist, so are Asians, Whites, Blacks, what have you. Somebody doesn't like somebody else. This makes our country great. Lets definitely keep talking about this. Although I urge everyone to keep your racism quiet, cuz somebody else always has something smart to say about it!



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reply posted on 15-10-2007 @ 10:38 PM by passenger



Originally posted by Doctor MO
Listen you cannot be American without having some issue with one of the races in this country. You know Beaners are racist, so are Asians, Whites, Blacks, what have you. Somebody doesn't like somebody else. This makes our country great.


SO, now we hear from the other camp. But, still the same error remains: Don’t confuse racism with objective reality and vice-versa.

Let’s look at it from a different angle. It’s well known that most pedophiles are male.
Does that mean that all pedophiles are male? Answer: NO.
Does that mean that all males are pedophiles? Answer: NO.
Does that mean that I don’t want males living in my community? Answer: NO.
Does that mean that I don’t want pedophiles living in my community? Answer: YES

Apply the same to the above, using Mexican in place of male and Illegal in place of pedophile.



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reply posted on 22-1-2008 @ 12:08 AM by slackerwire


uh in case it hasnt been posted yet, that video is part of a parody of short films called National Lampoons Lost Reality.

There are several Amazing racist skits, all of them are hilarious.



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reply posted on 5-3-2008 @ 08:38 PM by pluckynoonez


I am in the camp of whatever BUSH INC says: they mean the opposite. For instance, BUSH wants "peace" in the middle east, and we have this:

www.vanityfair.com...

This is all well-documented; for instance, a wonderful collection of "kiss of death" moves by BUSH is found, most notably, in:

www.maineaflcio.org...

But I must disagree. There is more to this issue than the BUSHy bumper sticker "family values don't stop at the border." We treat "illegals", as Peter Boyles here in DENVER puts it, like garbage. This must stop. (Casually doing this is not casual racism, it is racism. Boyles position is that off fear, and for him to have to say "Im not a racist" pretty much seals it up for him that he is a racist.) No doubt the immigration system is broken; it has been run as horribly as any other U.S. CORP institution. This country was founded on racism. The violence and racism that has thrived in this country is disgusting. And I want no part of it.

So when you say things like "An American Racist? YOU Be THE JUDGE!" the answer most often is "yes: an AMERICAN racist." On a side note, Jane Elliot's magnum opus is curing people of racism...seen here being vicious to illustrate sexism:

www.youtube.com...

And the experiment that started it all, Blue/Brown Eye:

www.pbs.org...

The point is, this flood from Mexico is human. As in, humans' being human. Humans' with wants and desires. Humans' capable of expressing those dreams. And willing to carry them out. Racism seeks to dehumanize, which leads to violence. Nothing is more antisocial. Yet if the immediate response is "racism is human", you might be sadly correct, you might also be a racist, just depends.

A way for you to see this issue from a human perspective is to watch CONTROL MACHETE's "Humanous Mexicanos". In Espanol, so if you don't speak any, you are still okay, the nonverbal communication in this video speaks for itself.


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