An American Racist? YOU Be THE JUDGE!

First of all, don't cloud the issue by saying "Hispanics" as if that assumes that "Hispanic" and "illegal immigrant" are synonymous. Granted, they take the brunt because the facts are most illegals in the country today are Hispanic - primarily of Mexican origin. That's not a racist opinion - it's a fact.
But because one does not approve of Illegal Immigrants (most of whom are Hispanic) does not make one a hater of Hispanics.
The key word here is "Illegal". Why can't people seem to grasp the meaning of that word and it's implications?
I have talked with LEGAL Immigrants, including Hispanics, who were affronted by the influx of ILLEGALS into their community. Why? Because the LEGAL immigrants spent a lot of time and money and effort to achieve their status. Then they sit and watch as the ILLEGALS just move right in next door and claim all of the same rights of those that obeyed the law. And even worse, simply refuse to abide by the law; as they have done since the moment of their ILLEGAL, criminal entry into this country.


[edit on 7-10-2007 by passenger]

reply to post by Escrotumus

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We have them over running us here in NY also.Not just Illegals,also MS13 lowlifes. Sad thing is it's our own who are selling us out.I know there's some decent people who are trying to make a bettter life,but so am I. Does that mean I should start doing illegal activities and claim it's for my kids?

Our Gov't has gotten soft.Or is it that they stand to make more money or gain more control.What everyone doesn't realize is that EVERYTHING is a big bussiness venture to the worlds governments!! There gonna be giving them(illegals) a valid NY license.ARE YOU KIDDING ME?I have to go to motor vehicles with my mother and have her drop her draws to show them where I come from along with 90 forms of I.D. and my mother's documentation of where she's from.(A little sarcastic over exxageration of course).

Unfortunately as I would see it,it's too late for New York.I need to get up and out in the next year or 2.The smart thing is to buy as much land as possible with your house dead center,guard dogs, surveillance system(cams,motion detect,etc.) Set up a nice perimiter fence with another around that for the dogs to run perimeter and set up underground bunkers with tunnel systems and escape routes and of course armed to the teeth.

I know people are gonna say your in your own prison.I would still be more free."Better to be the warden in YOUR own prison than a prisoner in someone elses".

Anybody with half a brain and a litle common sense can see that this world is destined for hollywood type scenarios and our rights and privelages are being taken 1 by 1.

Don't get me wrong and I don't care how people percieve what I say, but I'm glad someone sees (at least acknowledges) the Anti Christian,cracker sentiment.It isn't going to and it never will stop me.It just makes me come up with a new plan to conquer.

I'm living on the border of Mexico and India.DOES ANYBODY SPEAK ENGLISH? Yo no hable espanol.

Usted tienen gusto de la gota pasada de mi sangre con mi trabajo?
Translation (would you like the last drop of my blood with my job?)

Unfortunately I have to learn spanish to communicate w/todays workers.Please,somebody shoot me.

To answer the OP, No I don't belive he's racist. May sound like I am but I also am not.No racist just disgusted!!!

reply to post by passenger

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Excuse you, we treat "illegals" like garbage. Do you even know the history of this country? The hippocrisy is staggering. We rape and murder everything that moves, and then invade other countries...and THEY ARE the ones considered "illegal"? OKE-DOKEY, boss!

If you BOTHER to READ, unless I am reading something into your post that was unintentional, my stand is BLACK & WHITE. I hate prejudice in any form or shape. The video was presented for intelligent discussion and conversation.... PERIOD. Entender?

Dave

[edit on 10/7/2007 by Dave Rabbit]

reply to post by Dave Rabbit

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And Im giving you my 2 cents. You found the video "funny". I found nothing funny about it. What I do find funny are the makers of these videos. As well as the makers of song, as featured on the Peter Boyles radio show (that clucka that is obssessed with Ward Churchill, and illegal immigration); he plays parody songs, much like Rush Limbaugh, and then tries to insist that he is not a racist. In fact, all Mr Boyles does these days is insist that he is not a racist. And if youve got to say it, "you might be a redneck"...to coin that one phrase from that one guy. The point is, this pompous, heartless, and soulless attitude toward other human beings must stop.

LMAO, oh that is good stuff, minus the language, everything else is great, what a concept, if owned a truck, i would do the same thing, oh my.

Some people have a problem with dealing with the fact that Illigal immigrants, are in fact HERE ILLIGALY, and at the least each one is a FEDERAL CRIMINALS.

I have had the displeasure of living in a thrid world country, and i shudder at the fact that each passing day, this country is dragged a little further down that path.

Almost every day that goes by, i think to myself, 'What can we really do?' Well, i do all of our families yard work, and theres not much more to do then that, at least at this time.

WE have been beetrayed by those that have sworn to protect us, and we can do nothing but site by, watching TV...

But why are they doing this, why are they letting the soverinty of our boarders go down the drain? Is it part of thier plan? 1st they must destroy our boarders, make us scared, they then will enact thier plan, then they will chip us, saying it is for our saftey, and to protect us.

One day, we are going to wake up, and this will no longer be our home, it will be 'La Casa de la Rasa'. I just hope that i am able to flew before the storm hits, timing is the issue.

reply to post by pluckynoonez

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Amusing was what I said, not funny. I am amused at a lot of STUPIDITY in the world.... but I don't consider it funny. So, don't put words in my mouth. As for your 2 cents, that was the reason WHY I put this up in the first place.

My personal wish for this, has been accomplished. Although we did an ATS MIX sound off on "U.S. Borders", this issue, to me, goes much, much deeper. My personal vision on this is to involve a few folks that participate in this thread in a round table discussion and put it up on the feeds. You would be one person I would definitely want to include. I would hope you would accept being part of this if it should come to pass.

Anyway, we always appreciate our members input. Just don't make this a PERSONAL ISSUE with me or other members. We want to know your passion and your opinions... but this is not a debate.

Thanks for the passion. Can I count on you for a round table guest?

Dave



[edit on 10/8/2007 by Dave Rabbit]

I like to think I do. But apparently, I don’t know much about the history of other countries. Most likely they were all fun loving, peaceful sorts – never a pogrom, genocide or sign of inhumanity to be found. And perhaps this stands true today. Lots of warm, fuzzy nations out there like the Soviet Union, Iran, Sudan, North Korea, etc. Perhaps we should ask them to send some consultants to advise us on how to be more humane? The implied meaning of your statement seems to mean that you believe that there can be nothing worse in the history of human kind than the United States

To bolster my interpretation of your statement, I submit the following:



We “rape and murder everything”? Really? Well that explains why so many people are trying to get into this country then. Obviously, when someone is looking to emigrate from their native land, they must make the decision based upon the worst possible outcome. It must go something like this:
“Hey, this place really sux. Where else could I go that is even worse? Hmmm, I know – the United States! They rape and murder everything that moves! That’s got to be the place for me!”

Yes, that explains it. People want to get into this country, at almost any cost, because it is the worst place ever. A country founded on destroying humanity and continuing that fine tradition today. A country founded by savages for savages, with murder and rape for all. Thanks for setting all of us straight on our history.

reply to post by passenger

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Weeelllllllll, that's the one country you can be sure the government isn't going to "rape and murder" ................ for now! Seems like the safest place from them.............. for now.

Btw, I'm not looking to locate there so let's not throw blanket statements out there.


[edit on 9-10-2007 by intrepid]

One member a page ago made a point that I want to drive further home, quite literally. If someone was entering you're home in the middle of the night without your permission, what would you do? I don't think there's a person in here that would just allow them to come in and make themselves comfortable. What then separates our homes from our national home? Nothing!!

We don't seem to make the connection between home and homeland. Notice in both is the word "home". There's a reason for that. It's because this great nation of ours is our HOME!! If we love it like we say that we do, we need to stand up for it. We need to tell those entering illegally to get out. That is completely within our rights as citizens, and I'd challenge any lawyer to prove me wrong. To preserve the safety and security of MY HOME, I'd like nothing more than to make all illegals go home, by force if necessary.

Now, in the aforementioned analogy, if someone broke into my place with me home, and tried to make themselves comfortable, I'd give them one chance to get out at gunpoint, and if they said no, then I'd pull the trigger. That's completely within my rights within my home, so why shouldn't it be allowed along the borders as well?

****DISCLAIMER!!!****
The above paragraph should by no means be taken as literal. I was simply illustrating one possible solution to the illegal immigration issue. Is it a radical one? Well yes, but at the same time, it's merely an illustration of what our rights really are. I'm just amazed that we're not taking more of a stance as a nation against it when we see it. We, as the PEOPLE, can stand up and demand that they go home, with or without the government's consent. If the government says anything, we tell them that they work for us, and to do their jobs, so that we don't have to do it for them!!
****END DISCLAIMER****

TheBorg

P.S. Please take no offense at the above statements, as they are honestly meant to paint a perspective that I think has been overlooked. Do I think that things like this should be done? I think that action needs taken, but nothing like what I stated above. Those that we elected to protect us need to start doing their jobs, so that we don't have to stand up and do something like what I mentioned.

Am I correct in believing this admonishment was for me? I am not the one who introduced the blanket statement about the land of “rape and murder”. Please read the above posts again. I was not the one to start throwing out that gross generalization but simply replying and quoting what had already been written by another poster.
I know that kind of rhetoric is the lowest form of debate, but I didn’t throw that rock first. I simply picked it up and threw it back.

Hi Dave,

Well, I'm not American, and although ATS mix content seems to be predominently American based subjects I thought I'd drop a line on this one.

I understand the guy has a problem with illegal immigrants. Thats his perogative. Everyones entitled to their own opinion, be they free loving hippies, racists, anti nuke protestors or nazis.

The problem is that he felt the need to express his opinion, publicly, in a manner that suggests that hes a complete asshole, and took great delight in doing so, and then posted it up on the net for everyone with some time, a computer and a modem to see.

Given that the net is international, and anyone anywhere on the planet can access it, with the right equipment, the following question arises.

Does this guy represent the USA, and how it deals with cultural and ethnic differences?

Because what I see is a loudmouth bully treating people like cockroaches for his own personal amusement.

Well, ain't that funny?






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reply to post by neformore

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Does the United Kingdom have anything close to an illegal immigration situation? As for topics, we have talked to folks from all over the world. We very much want intelligent topics from around the world. Please feel free to contribute. Some of our mates in the UK have given us some keen insights.

Thanks...

Dave

Immigration issues are one of the key areas that the next election in the UK is likely to be fought on. Britain has a huge influx of immigrants from all across the world, and there is a massive strain on the taxpayer to support those who come here both legally and illegally. That having been said I think its true to say that people here are much much more tolerant than those in the US when it comes to the issue, with only the extreme right-wing political parties really making massive issues out of it, although some of the more notorious tabloids do love to have a pop at the issue occaisionally.



If I come across any ideas/topics that are predominently UK based that are nailed on certainties not to get me shouted down with "you live in a Police State", or "your country is being overrun by radcial Islamists" then I'll be sure to throw them your way

Sadly, when it comes to dealing with other countries on a predominently American board the attitudes displayed in the video above of moral superiority, an unwillingness to listen/understand different cultures, ways of life and lifestyles seem to come flooding out.

reply to post by Tiloke

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I am not sure, but I believe his sponsor is National Lampoon, but I couldn't get a confirmation on that.

Its just humor. Its funny how so many got so mad so quickly. I find that more troublesome...

The race card will be pulled and used as a weapon against anyone standing up for their right to protest against an illegal influx of immigrants. Period.

This is hurdle #1

To solve the illegal immigration problem will require a massive effort by both law enforcement and INS. Untill we commit the funding nothing is going to take place to activly move illegal immigrants out.

This is hurdle #2

Some very tough laws will need to be inacted to make it impossible for non-US residents to work illegally, recieve benifits intended for residents, and tougher penalties for emplyers who hire un-documented workers.

This is hurdle #3

It is time for America to start working FOR AMERICANS! If you want to come to America please get in line like everyone else. I welcome those who come to America through our leagal process with open arms.

All I have to say about this twerp is that using the less fortunate for humiliation purposes is NOT FUNNY! None of us chose the life we we're given, at least not as far as we know. If fate chose so it could be any of us in the same situation as those guys in the back of the truck. It could be any of us in the middle of a war innocently, with nowhere to go. Just be glad it's not you and have a little bit of sympathy.

Everything we do comes back around on us eventually, of that I'm sure.

Peace

[edit on 9-10-2007 by Dr Love]

Although I agree with what you're saying in principle, it's simply not practical. If we were to let in ANYONE and EVERYONE for free, then support them through our governmental system, the US economy would collapse. The US simply cannot sustain anyone and everyone that wants to come in and not contribute.

ANALOGY TIME
If you have 10 people living in a house and 3 of them don't pay rent, and all need to live in said house, then that means the remaining 7 must pay the 3's rent to continue living where they need to. How is that fair to the 7 ? Even if the 7 feel bad for the 3, the 7 may simply not be able to pay for the 3 and now nobody can live in the house because the all get kicked out. This is just an example so PLEASE don't break down things into percentages, or tell me that everyone won't get kicked out of the US, etc.. I understand all that, it's just an example to put things into perspective.

But even sympathy must have it's limits. The world is a harsh place and the potential vessels of sympathy are endless. Where then does one draw the line? Sympathy to a point is admirable but when it becomes detrimental to the giver then it becomes foolish.



If that stands true then one could argue that the sufferers are only suffering because they are getting back what came around...

My post was not condoning of illegal immigrants jumping the border, my post was merely stating that it could be you in their position, which if that was the case you wouldn't think the way you do. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes and then come back to me.

Also, I never mentioned that these immigrants were suffering, dudes were looking for work so they could support their families. As a matter of fact, they probably have a more well adjusted and happy family unit than either you or I. My statement was really meant for said twerp and for people who found such hilarity in his actions.

One last thing, who are the real problem, these illegals looking for work on a street corner or the people who use their services?

Peace