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History is repeating itself....and nobody cares!!

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posted on Jan, 23 2004 @ 11:04 PM
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The parallels that exist between the rise of the 3rd Reich and the Bush administration, are unavoidably apparent. Yet over half of the country appears to be completely oblivious to it. The following is taken from an essay which discusses to similarities between the two.
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It's easy to look back and realize what a jerk Hitler was. But at the time, Hitler looked pretty good to the German people, with the help of the media. He was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. The German people assumed they were safe from a tyrant. They lived in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government could and more importantly could not do. Their leader was a devoutly religious man, and had even sung with the boy's choir of a monastery in his youth.
The reality was that the German people, as individuals, had lost their courage. The German government preferred it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But the German people didn't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding individual courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the German people simply pretended that the situation did not exist. And in that simple self-deception lay the ruin of an entire nation and the coming of the second World War.

The reality is that the American people, as individuals, have lost their courage. The government prefers it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But Americans don't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the American people simply pretend that the situation does not exist.
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When the Reichstag burned down, most Germans simply refused to believe suggestions that the fire had been staged by Hitler himself. They were afraid to. But so trapped were the Germans by their belief in their own bravery that they willed themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they could nod in agreement with Der Fuhrer while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoided the one situation which most required real courage; to stand up to Hitler's lies and deceptions. When Hitler staged a phony invasion from Poland, the vast majority of the German people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to Hitler's deceptions, did not question why Poland would have done something so stupid, and found themselves in a war.

When the World Trade Towers collapsed, most Americans simply refused to believe suggestions that the attacks had been staged by parties working for the US Government itself. Americans were afraid to, even as news reports surfaced proving that the US Government had announced plans for the invasion of Afghanistan early in the year, plans into which the attacks on the World Trade Towers which angered the American people into support of the already-planned war fit entirely too conveniently. But so trapped are Americans by their belief in their own bravery that they will themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they can nod in agreement with the government while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoid the one situation which most requires real courage; to stand up to the government's lies and deceptions. The vast majority of the American people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to the government's deceptions, never question why Afghanistan would have done something so stupid as to attack the United States, and as a result, Americans find themselves in a war.
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When Hitler requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under German law, but powers Hitler claimed he needed to have to deal with the "terrorists", the German people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, agreed. The temporary powers were conferred, and once conferred lasted until Germany itself was destroyed.

Now the US Government has requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under Constitutional law, but powers the government is claiming they need to have to deal with the "terrorists". The American people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, are agreeing. The temporary powers recently conferred will be no more temporary in America than they were in Germany.
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Hitler knew he ruled a nation of cowards, and knew he had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards could fight and win. He decorated his troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Hitler copied the parade regalia of ancient Rome, to remind the Germans of the defeat of the legions at the Tuetenberg Forest. Talismans were added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fell in battle. Finally, knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, Hitler spent vast sums of money on his wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, the world's first cruise missile and the world's first guided missile, weapons that could be used to kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they were doing.

The US Government knows they rule a nation of cowards. The government has had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards can fight. The government has decorated the troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Talismans are added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fall in battle. Finally, knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, the United States government has spent vast sums of money on wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, cruise missiles, and guided missiles, weapons that kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they are doing.
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It is naive, not to mention racist to assume that tyrants appear only in other nations and that somehow America is immune simply because we're Americans. America has escaped the clutches of a dictatorship thus far only through the efforts of those citizens who, unlike the Germans of the 1930s, have the moral courage to stand up and point out where the government is lying to the people. And unless more Americans are willing to have that kind of individual courage, then future generations may well look back on the American people with the same harshness of judgment with which we look back on the 1930s Germans.
propagandamatrix.com...
There are 2 audio recordings on the above link as well. I recommend listening to the first one, at least. The beginning of it details the burning of Reichstag and the events which followed. It has a very familiar ring to it.


[Edited on 22-4-2004 by jezebel]




posted on Jan, 23 2004 @ 11:14 PM
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You know it's truly great to hear someone truly speaking the truth about Bush. I for one hear you, and hope that someday there will be defendant's seats in the Hague for Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rummy. There has to be some international law in the UN's books somewhere that makes the war in Iraq illegal, maybe something about starting a war out of sheer vengence or something. Either way, we still have one up on Nazi Germany, Bush could still loose in November. Although his executive powers do allow him to "pospone" elections in the case of a major threat to the nation.

~Urban



posted on Jan, 23 2004 @ 11:16 PM
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I care. But i'm not even an American. There isn't much i can do about it ey? except let those people know on this board what is really going on.



posted on Jan, 23 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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The biggest reason people cannot admit Bush lied to start a war is shame.

They are ashamed that they were fooled, so they continue to fool themselves.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 12:13 AM
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ive been thinking this for months now, but its nice to see someone put it into writing. excellent post, jezebel



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by urbanmastermind
Either way, we still have one up on Nazi Germany, Bush could still loose in November. Although his executive powers do allow him to "postpone" elections in the case of a major threat to the nation.
~Urban

First, I'm glad to see such positive responses to my post. Thank you! I was kinda expecting to be attacked.


As much as I would like to believe that we really do have a chance to remove Bush from office through the electoral process, I don't see it happening. If things continue on in Hitler's footsteps, I don't think it'll matter if Bush gets the majority vote or not.

Here is a more detailed explanation of how Hitler took control of Germany's republican government:

The Wall Street Crash of 1929 provided the spark that allowed the Nazi's to gain support. All of a sudden the support of the American's and the aid pans were withdrawn, Germany was again isolated and the economy was in crisis. The rise in Unemployment and a renewed fear of a Communist uprising gave Hitler's messages a new importance. people were again interested in the views of this extremist party. In a land where the government was struggling to control the economy, the people and the communists any alternative that appears to be willing, and able, to combat the problems, through whatever means, is seen in a very positive light.

This resurgence in Nazi fortunes is clearly visible from election results. From having little or no say in the national picture in the 'Golden years' the Nazi's rose rapidly to become the dominant force in the elections of 1932: although they won no overall majority in these elections.
Hitler's speeches were inspiring, he was a great public speaker who could enthuse the masses and ignite a sense of belief. his policies made sense and were aimed at the areas of politics that the German masses were resentful of i.e. the treaty of Versailles and reparations. his party were highly organized, flexible in their views (in the eyes of the electorate) and made promises that would benefit all sectors of the population. Further to this was the Nazi's open, and forceful opposition to communism and the impressive use of force and discipline to engineer success for themselves. These characteristics were highly valued in a Germany where law and order were being constantly threatened.

Add to this the weaknesses of the Weimar government itself. Proportional representation had led to a series of weak and ineffectual governments, it allowed the Nazi's to become serious players without having a mass of public support...

Hitler was not entirely certain of his position. The party itself was not united behind his vision of National Socialism. On the Night of the Long Knives this situation was rectified. Hitler asserted that Rohm, the leader of the SA, had plotted to overthrow him. 400 members of the organization were rounded up and killed. This brutal action secured the loyalty of the Armed forces, who had previously been wary of the SA's influence. Hitler was now in control of both his party and the Government. The death of President Hindenburg leaving no possibility of his authority being challenged from within Germany.
www.schoolshistory.org.uk...

Could we be gearing up for our own version of the "Night of the Long Knives" with the new legislation which passed Wednesday that would provide for fast special elections if a terrorist attack killed or incapacitated many House members?
He's been true to form so far, so it stands to reason that he will continue. Our only chance is for everyone to wake up and rally against everyone involved in this fascist coup of OUR country.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 01:49 AM
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Now, now, Dubya is nothing like Hitler. For one Hitler was a decorated war hero. Dubya never went to war. Hitler got the popular vote when he was elected in 1933. Al Gore got the popular vote in 2000 but, Dubya became president anyways. Hitler had a mustache. Dubya, no mustache.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Now, now, Dubya is nothing like Hitler. For one Hitler was a decorated war hero. Dubya never went to war. Hitler got the popular vote when he was elected in 1933. Al Gore got the popular vote in 2000 but, Dubya became president anyways. Hitler had a mustache. Dubya, no mustache.


Of course, you're right! With all of those differences, how could I possibly have thought they were the same?



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Now, now, Dubya is nothing like Hitler. For one Hitler was a decorated war hero. Dubya never went to war. Hitler got the popular vote when he was elected in 1933. Al Gore got the popular vote in 2000 but, Dubya became president anyways. Hitler had a mustache. Dubya, no mustache.


Mad props on the ovservations, NotTooHappy.

Jezebel--That was a very good post, and it is true that most of the country is oblivious to what is going on. I also agree with:


Originally posted by ArchAngel
The biggest reason people cannot admit Bush lied to start a war is shame.

They are ashamed that they were fooled, so they continue to fool themselves


Most people will not admit that they were and still are being lied to, because then they'd be "unpatriotic" or some other reason that justifies the rationality of irrationality.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 02:29 AM
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You know I am getting bored of all these posts and posters where it is always the same idea: get rid of Bush and all the world's problems will be solved. Frankly, I doubt it.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by THENEO
You know I am getting bored of all these posts and posters where it is always the same idea: get rid of Bush and all the world's problems will be solved. Frankly, I doubt it.


Simply getting rid of Bush will not solve all of the worlds problems, that is just stupidity. However, the similarities, whether based in fact, fiction, paranoia, or conspiracy, do exist and some people like to discuss them.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 02:35 AM
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If you wish to avoid what you deem to be a undesireable future then you must find out who is really calling the shots and not just see what is obvious.

Bush and any other leader can be replaced in a minutes notice. Look at all the robots running for the Democratic nomination for example.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by THENEO
If you wish to avoid what you deem to be a undesireable future then you must find out who is really calling the shots and not just see what is obvious.

Bush and any other leader can be replaced in a minutes notice. Look at all the robots running for the Democratic nomination for example.

Those who are calling the shots are reliant upon us to conform to their plans. When you want to get to the heart of a matter you have to start on the outside and work your way in.
It starts with us standing up for ourselves and not letting things go any farther than they already have. If the rulers no longer have anyone to control, then they cease to be rulers. We are a stronger, more powerful and more numerous force then they could ever hope to be, yet the the majority of Americans bow to their every whim like they are some superior race.

Evil can only defeat good, if good just stands by and allows evil to win.

And no, getting rid of Bush will not solve the world's problems. It would be a step in the right direction for solving OUR problems in the United States, however. We cannot be responsible for solving the world's problems, when we can't even solve our own.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 03:08 AM
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Getting rid of Bush to have him replaced with a socialistic stooge of the globalists will definitely not change anything but the people that are on the government payroll. That is all and that is why many of the people that attack him do so, I know this.

Sorry but time is running out and the only intelligent thing to do now is to go for the 'brass ring.'

People have been dragging their butts for many decades now and just turning their backs it is too late to just do the obvious, it is time to go to the top.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 03:29 AM
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Actually I think billions of people care to be rid of the corrupt incumbent administration, just not enough Americans yet in their shellshocked and manipulated state.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 08:28 AM
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When we annex Canada and Mexico through fear and intimidation against the wishes of the UN and I see the build-up for the invasion of China - I might believe ya on your fourth reich theory - until then ?



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Now, now, Dubya is nothing like Hitler. For one Hitler was a decorated war hero. Dubya never went to war. Hitler got the popular vote when he was elected in 1933. Al Gore got the popular vote in 2000 but, Dubya became president anyways. Hitler had a mustache. Dubya, no mustache.



First of all at the poster: Good observations, just correct "4th Reich" to "3rd Reich".

@the post above: "popular vote"
The popular vote and the further actions in the german Reichstag were are illegal actions. E.g. the "Ermächtigungsgesetz" giving him nearly endless power. Members from other parties were blocked from entering into the Reichstag giving their vote.
After all nearly all other parties became forbidden.
There is a huge parallel again here, no difference


But some freaky information now showing off some more parallels:

1933 Reichskonkordat mit dem Vatikan
(1933 realm concordat with the Vatikan)
-> Bushs back to family and focus on religion. So winning the support of religious people as Hitler did in Germany

1933 Austritt aus dem Völkerbund
(1933 withdrawal from the Völkerbund(later UN))
-> the US governments disrespect for everything the US does

1935 deutsch-englisches Flottenabkommen
(1935 german-english fleet-treaty)
-> US going standing together with England in the war of terrorism

1936 Rheinlandbesetzung
(1936 occupation of the Rhine-land)
-> occupation of Afghanistan

1938 Anschluss Österreichs und des Sudetenlands
(1938 connecting Austria and land of the Sudetes)
-> invading Iraq, now under US occupation


Of course of course I and all of us can draw parallels like wild and even if the Bush government would be the best gov ever on the world we would always be able to draw bad parallels. I would never dare to say Bush equals Hitler, it is not true, probably never will and hopefully it never will but the US foreign politics have an agression like the 3rd Reich had.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 09:01 AM
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Exellent post jezebel!!!!!
The new American motto.........Land of the apathetic and home of the hesitant. The lies and coverups are SOOOO obvious, it boggles the mind as to why more people don't see them or acept them. These coverups and lies are not 'conspirecies' because if they are then the definition of conspirecy is simply not believing what the govt tells you!! That said..I have to agree with TheNeo...getting ride of bush is only part of the answer. Th eAmerican political system is totaly corupted. The people in power only want to keep themselves and their party in power...of course at our expense. 9/11 seems to be a big turning point in the govts attempts to totaly change the American way of life. The similarities to what brought Hitler to power are erie. Bush mentioned that the terrorist would not change our way of life........he was right...the American govt has changed our way of life....... and it is only the beginning. Right now we have a front row seat to the begining of the end of our American freedoms that made this country unique. Oh the stories we will be able to shamfull tell our kids and grandkids....assuming we live that long.

totalitarian : Designating a form of government in which one party exercises absolute control over all spheres of human life and opposition is outlawed.

republic: a country governed by the elected representatives of its people.

Land of the apathetic and home of the hesitant.



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 08:40 PM
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jezebel, nice thought provoking post!

HIGH FIVE!

And I CARE!

THENEO is correct, we must strike at the root and not at the branches.

But the first step is to awaken the sleeping masses. Which we are doing gradually via the internet.

I have a webpage on Fascism in America. It shows that America is heading down the same paths as Germany did in the 1930s.

If anyone is interested, you can check it out at link below. It deals with much of what jezebel has posted.

www.mentalstimulation.com...



posted on Jan, 24 2004 @ 09:14 PM
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A large percentage of people on this planet, at least those that live within the United States, sincerely wish and hope that their country will not do terrible things despite evidence to the contrary. Denial plays a large part in public reaction to events like the Iraq invasion. I can't say I fault any of the U.S. constituency for their thoughts on this matter and others as the human condition predisposes us to these thought processes and methods of manipulation through media.

When you have a business oriented country that attempts at all times to pretend to want freedom and democracy for the entirety of the planet, and also plays the victim card to justify war, its very hard for anybody to rally protest to put a stop to what is more than likely the wrong thing to do. Couple that with how our society works and how people concentrate more on their own lives than other issues, and you have a recipe for capitalistic imperialism to take its course without effective resistance.

Life on planet Earth is governed by big business and we are all subject to being laid off from life whenever our bosses feel like it. You don't like it? File a complaint. Just don't expect it to be read. You are, as George Herbert Walker Bush put it, one fodder unit.

[Edited on 24-1-2004 by heelstone]




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