Cop Pepper Sprays, Punches, Nearly Breaks Girl's Arm During Curfew Arrest

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Just for clarification on Miranda..

the "Reading" of Miranda Rights is only necessary when two separate qualifiers are BOTH present...

1. Custody
2. Questioning

Miranda

If the Officer is a street officer, he will most likely NOT be questioning the suspect, so Miranda not only does not apply, it can prevent what is known as a "Res Gesta" Statement. (Statement made by someone freely without any prompting)

The 'Reading" of Miranda does vary department by department in their individual policies, but to imagine the reading of Miranda "Protects" anyones rights is pure ridiculous...It is simply to remind a person in custody and about to be questioned that they do not have to talk..

Basic Miranda..

"You have the right to remain silent"
"If you give up that right, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law"
"You have the right to have an attorney present during any questioning"
"If you can not afford an attorney, one will be appointed by the court to represent you if you so desire"
"You may answer questions with or without an attorney and stop answering questions at any time"
"Do you understand your rights?"

Again, they vary by department, but those are the basics..

Semper

reply to post by tac109

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again with the natural reaction stuff in favor of the cop...

well, the girl was scared and he didn't tell her what she was getting arrested for and when her arm started to get torqued, she 'tried' to bite him, out of natural reaction.

if it's good for him then it's good for her

We don't know she wasn't told what she was being arrested for. Her aunt's statements are obviously biased hearsay. Quite a bit of this story took place before her being brought in front of the camera.

Team cop and I have been on the outs for a real long time but I'll say other than the right hook to the cheek of the 15 year old girl, the rest was pretty justified. Anybody knows that when you're detained and you're acting up, expect to get gut checked, tripped, or maced. I believe the punch was a little excessive though..

You moron, you would have taken a bite? You would have left her, in that state, without handcuffing her?

I hope you never, EVER are an officer of a law.

well, this was an interesting video. Brings back memories when I was a hoodlum, and a idiot. That being said, when I was 15/16, I was smoking pot, drinking, and playing tag with the cops( they see me, I run, wait till they stop there car, throw a brickrock, then start all over again.) There was 2X Igot caught. the first time I resisted, he treated me alot worse then this dude treated this idiot, and my dad picked me up from juvy the next day. The 2nd time, it was yes sir, no sir, o.k. sir, sorry sir, and you know what, he gave me a ride back to my house and dropped me off at the corner, and told me to stay out of trouble. Moral of the story, you don't see what was happening prior to her being handcuffed, and more then likely from the video, she was acting pretty ignorant before. Thats the reason for a the arrest.

While I am no fan of police brutality, I think this cop acted within reason, and with that being said, he was smart enough to realize she was going to get ignorant, and he wanted it all on video to cover himself. I think he did a good job.

Regards,

Camain

P.S.- When I was a child I did childish things, when I became an adult, I realized I was too pretty to go to jail, so I put away childish things(behavior), and moved on with life. Hind site is 20/20, and I only wish I could meet and apoligize all the people I hurt when I was younger.

few hours of training each week.

maybe he could toss an osotogari on the 15 year old girl to gain control.



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we also have a seoinage




he was not in position with her but this is the stuff i am talking about...
throws/tosses where you end up in dominant position.

this would work fantastic if cops worked in pairs all the time, and at least one of them did their training.

one cops tosses the osotogari on the irate man trying to resist, lands in dominant half mount with one arm controlled. in that same motion he can roll a tad and hook the right arm so it is immobile, then there is only one arm to worry about. that is where the partner comes in.

imo, these are the tactics that the police should focus on...not guns/mace/tazers...



[edit on 10-10-2007 by Boondock78]

This guy here has I don't know how many posts in this thread. Seems he doesn't like authority. Good luck with that stance. If you have laws in a society, then someone has to go around to make sure they are followed. If the laws aren't followed, then there really is no point in having laws. If you don't like the laws, don't blame the cops, blame the voters and legislators and the democratic process.

Then here with this post, you don't want the cop to put her arms behind her back, but you would rather him just jump or grab her and throw her on the ground. Now that would look great, a 200 pound cop doing body slams on a 15 year old girl. That is what most of the brutality cases are about, cops pulling people out of cars and throwing them on the ground. And that is how people can get hurt. Including the cop, why should the cop take a chance of getting hurt when he can just hold her arm and spray her to get her in control.

I personally do not want cops taking a chance of getting hurt, that means they take off work with pay, have medical bills, and disability claims, and raise taxes while reducing the effectiveness of the police force with fewer numbers.

Now my main issue here is why now that it is mentioned she was carrying a trash bag full of brand new clothes, this is not being discussed. Not one peep. After page after page after PAGE of saying she was just out after dark and should not be being harrassed, with no basis in any form to believe that to be true.

People are propaganda machines on this site. You should be ashamed.

Resist arrest AND assult the police officer arresting you then you better expect to be manhandled. I hope they press assualt charges against her. During eh arrest is not the time to proclaim your innocense. You do that in front of a judge with your lawyer. You always make things worse when you choose to become a knucklehead.

You are right, that is what the problem is. Resist the police and expect to get manhandled. That is exactly what the problem is. Police don't need to show any restraint. Once they have a badge on, thay can make their own decisions about who is right and who is wrong. Laws don't apply to them because they are the law.
Senile elderly people = resist and expect to get beat with no expectation of restraint from the police officer.
Mentally Handicapped = resist and expect to get beat with no expectation of restraint from the police officer.
Minors and children = resist and expect to get beat with no expectation of restraint from the police officer.
law-abiding citizen = resist and expect to get beat with no expectation of restraint from the police officer.

I would say that from what I have seen in this video and others restaint is something that police now days are lacking severely. When we can witness a police officer bust a 15 year old girl in the face and have no problem with that, we as a society are in trouble. Such a double standard here in this video and I am shocked that people don't see it. Whats really scary is that the police don't see it. Oh wait they are the law I forgot.

Some of you are really very funny!
Let me see...
1. 15 year old violating curfew;
2. Officer attempts to detain;
3. 15 year old puts up resistance;
4. Officer uses appropriate force to accomplish such;

All the young lady had to do is simply comply with the officer's direction.
Maybe, just maybe, she was up to no good....hmmmmm

What was he supposed to do? Just let her go?

BTW..Curfews are not unique to Florida, we happen to have one where I live in TX. Anyone below 18 years old needs to be in at midnight. I don't really see anything wrong with that personally.

This is really the heart of the matter. Once she resisted, and KEPT resisting, he STILL didn't escalate the use of force.

Only when she bit him did he hit her and spray her. I think his only mistake is that he was TOO nice to her from the start. Kindness = weakness to people like this girl. The kinder he was the more reason she had to believe she could wriggle out of the mess she got herself into.

reply to post by TheMesh

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first, you're right. i don't like authority..
i don't know where you are coming from though. i never said anything about not wanting the cop to get her arms behind her back.

i am criticizing the fact that he could NOT get her hands behind her back. i am criticizing the fact that cops seem to lean towards the tazer cause they do not know how to CONTROL suspects.

the things i have mentioned in here would imo, make it better/safer for the suspect AND the cop. i also said it would be better in tandem so that one could control and one could arrest.

so, why don't you come off it.

i think there are better ways than pepper spray and knuckles to the face, in that situation.

i don't see how it's a bad thing to want to teach officers control. oh, another reason so they do not get hurt..i said that many times.

do they tackle/takedown people now? yes they do.
might as well learn how to do it properly so not to hurt yourself and actually land in control.

i love the mentality....
training the cops a few friggin hours a week in takedowns and locks, aka more tools at their disposal is a bad thing

reply to post by aecreate

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Why is anyone allowed out most crime is caused by people over 18. So by your example everyone in the country as A WHOLE should be under curfew.

seleceted curfews are not good for anyone in any society.

If you pick on a certain area you're victimizing and stereotyping people.

Have officers deal with the groups and take the name and address of individuals call their parents to verify reason for being out.

The fine parent for poor child protection etc

Awww, horrible!!! He bent her arm like 180 degrees, it hurts like crap, which is why she screams, but still, the loser punched her. If I was there I would have commited assault against the cop. I hope he got put in jail and get his sorry ass whooped.

This looks like another thread that has gone on too long, and now it has gone a little longer.

The girl was stupid and resisting arrest. Whilst I'd have prefferred it if the spray was not directly into her eye, I do think the officer was justified to escalate the force to the use of spray.

I think a lot of the trouble here comes from the fact that US cops don't patrol in pairs, if there were two of them it would have been over sooner.

I don't see how else the officer could have tackled the situation (we don't see what led up to this). People who think they could have easily handled the girl are just talking dreck (dreck? - look it up) in my opinion.

Indeed. I remember figuring out the easy way (in the police academy) that the smallest, most flexible women are the most difficult to gain compliance from with just soft empty hand control. I'm a woman, but I'm not all that small, thanks to genetics and a good old fashioned midwestern US diet.

But we all know that it's much easier to teach our youth to "eff" the police than it is to teach them right from wrong, and that all actions have consequences.

I ask any of you doubters to ride along with a cop for two weeks in even a smallish town like mine and then come back and read your posts, then see how naive you were.

ok....seriously. I dont think the cop needed to punch her...you can tell he gets a flash of emotion right before he hits her. Im also pretty sure that you are NOT EVER supposed to spray pepper spray directly in the face or eyes like that, there is supposed to be a minimal distance to use it. Dude, it was a skinny 15 year old girl...to honestly think he could not have gotten enough control to hand cuff her....seriously, look how big this guy is...i know a little bit about basic combatives and what not and i know theres alot of other ways he could of subdued her. Was she resisting, yes...could he of handled a 15 YEAR OLD GIRL differently...i believe so. And as far as that cop goes, if he cant hand cuff a 15 year old girl without punching her AND pepper spraying her...i hate to see what he would have to do to any adult that would resist him....he'd prolly shoot them in the face....

Hey,she only bit him after he almost broke her arm. She's a 15 year old girl. She got scared. Great "peace officer".

[edit on 10-11-2007 by Sadet]

There seems to be a funny trend when officers deal with people who resist---they always use too much force. I've seen, countless times, where officers have apprehended the subject and they are either prone(face down) or layed faced down on the squad car, and as soon as they apply the chicken wing(arm behind the back-a shoulder/elbow lock) to cuff em they crank the # out of it. Its human reaction to resist when your joints are being hyper extended---your body will tense up thats a fact!!! They may even add their body weight via a knee to the lowback or head/neck area to try to gain more control and this only adds to the persons pain---and they will squirm and tense up more. Cops are trained in their academies to apprehend subjects, but how much further training do they go through after they graduate? Are they required to do an X amount of time in apprhension and cuffing procedures as they do for re-qualifying with their weapon at the firing range? I doubt it----but, practice makes perfect. By the way, cops use to use the good old choke hold, but coincidentally they over used the amount of force needed for it to be effective----they ended up killing people by crushing their wind pipes. That is the reason they now use the chicken wing to subdue perps---guess its better to dislocate shoulders and break elbows then it is to crush trachea's.