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reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 10:11 AM by Freeborn
Reply to Flyer


No, alcoholism isnt a disease, its a lack of self control.

Nearly all smokers are addicted, nearly all alcohol drinkers are not addicted.


My quite the opinionated one aren't we.

I suppose you know better than;
en.wikipedia.org...

Note, the repeated use of the phrase "disease".

Anyway, back on thread.

We are all obviously aware of the health risks involved in smoking.
I deeply regret starting smoking, I started when I was 9, I am now 42.
I choose to continue smoking, for reasons I will not go into here, they are irrelevant.
I have never smoked around people who are eating, it is very inconsiderate.
I am becoming accustomed to the ban in public places.

Life is all about choices.
It is my car, i've paid for it.
If I smoke and you don't like it, don't get in, walk. Pretty straight forward to me.

70% of the population agree with a total ban in cars?
How do you know?
Has there been a referendum on this?

You propose a total ban.
Democracy is about choices.
You are advocating taking choice away.
What you propose is undemocratic.

Prohibition does not work. Look at the USA and The Volstead Act etc.
The "War on Drugs". Ha, well that's working isn't it
It is very easy to buy any drug, in any town and most villages throughout the whole of the UK.
The price of illegal drugs has gone DOWN.
I repeat, prohibition does not work.

Smoking whilst driving has never been a distraction to me.
I have never heard of smoking causing someone to have an accident.
Please provide one proven instance.

This is all part of the ongoing programme to....oh well, as stated in another post there are countless threads on the threat to UK individual rights and freedoms etc.

I want more freedom, not less and I am sick to death of politically correct, namby pamby people intefering in my life and telling me what I should or shouldn't do.


[edit on 7-10-2007 by Freeborn]


reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 10:39 AM by Flyer
Originally posted by Freeborn

I suppose you know better than;
en.wikipedia.org...
Wiki can be written by anyone, it cannot be taken seriously as a source.

"Research has shown that alcoholism is a choice, not a disease, and stripping alcohol abusers of their choice, by applying the disease concept, is a threat to the health of the individual."

www.addictioninfo.org...

Exactly what I was saying.

Type in alcoholism and "not a disease" into a search engine and you get 65000 hits.


reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 11:40 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by Flyer


Why is it when confronted with evidence which disproves opinions do people rely with "wikipedia can be edited by anyone".
On this occassion Wikipedia quotes reliable medical sources.


reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 12:11 PM by Flyer
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Flyer


Why is it when confronted with evidence which disproves opinions do people rely with "wikipedia can be edited by anyone".
On this occassion Wikipedia quotes reliable medical sources.

and Ive posted that you can search 65000 sources yourself.

So youre telling me that all the other examples I listed are "diseases" too or is alcohol somehow magically different?



reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 01:00 PM by yahn goodey
reply to post by deadline527


funny isn't not that the government likes to make a profit out of those that are enslaved to an addictive cancer causing product as far as its possible to push the limits------when instead they should ban smoking altogether so the rest of us are spared from getting a preventable disease spread around by others selfish behaviour.i've endured 60 years of 2nd hand smokers filth and part of the reason i retired early is because i can take no more of it from the soldiers on the base i worked at 34 years + 5 years working in constuction.if smokers got it all by wearing a helmet that sealed it all in for the 1 smoking i'd be happy but-----they insist on sharing it with us non-smokers.and it also wouldn't break my heart if the government stopped selling of booze----i like it too much-----its an addictive "pain killer" i'd probably be better off with out even if i'm not a drunk !


reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 08:39 PM by Freeborn
reply to post by Flyer


Alcoholism is currently accepted as a disease.
The vast majority of respected medical institutions recognises this.

Dwelling on this does nothing but deflect away from the core of this thread.

Please show just one example of where it has been proven that smoking has caused a car accident.
Just one will do.

Why no reply to the the other points raised in my last post?

As stated previously, it's my car, if you don't like me smoking, don't get in ,walk. Pretty straight forward. Your choice.

My choice to smoke in my own property, not rented, mine.

Democracy is freedom of choice.
This is another example of people enforcing their beliefs on others and reducing freedom of choice.
It is undemocratic and another step down the road to totalitarianism.


[edit on 7-10-2007 by Freeborn]


reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 09:51 PM by Obliv_au
good drivers just drive.

while i think some laws are excessive some do make common sense.

ever been a passenger and seen the driver drop his lit ciggy? head down, arms and hands fumbling around, all to grab that lost cig before it melts the carpet.

eating while driving is no better (/me puts hand up, guilty as charged)

worst is the type of ppl having a heated or very in depth discussion with passenger.
its one thing to drive and talk on the side, but im sure we've all seen someone talk while driving is the side task.

the other day the wife and i both said almost simultaneously, "that guy needs to watch the road and reduce the hand signals".
some guy driving, looking + leaning towards passenger while arms are flailing around like a madman. the occasional quick flick of the head to glance that hes still on the road, then head quickly flicks back and stays fixed on passenger.

this dude was watching the passenger, and glancing at the road every few seconds - he was using every inch of his lane to keep on the road too.

theres various things we could all mention. drinking/eating, smoking, mobile phones, changing cd's or radio stations, checking road maps, putting on lippy in the mirror etc.

most cars come with cup holders everywhere so they encourage drink driving (regular drinks, non alc stuff) as much as ashtrays encourage smoking while driving.


as i said, im guilty of some of those things.. but at the end of the day it all falls back to the old saying again.

good drivers just drive.


reply posted on 8-10-2007 @ 10:14 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by shaunybaby


That was in a work van.
I agree with the ban in company vehicles, you should not be forced to breathe in smoke.

Completely different to smoking in my own car, going about my business.
It's my choice.
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