Two Calif. Cities to Vote on Banning Smoking in Apartments

To everyone that keeps talking about the damage smokers cause... I smoke in my apartment, and so far the damage caused is nowhere near as great as what my 2 year old has been able to do. So I guess we should make a law banning children from living in apartments because they may draw on the wall or spill juice on the carpet. Lots of people seem to not realize that when I moved in to this apartment, I expected it to be painted, cleaned, and have new carpet before I moved in. And that is not because a previous smoker may have lived here, I just thought that was normal for a landlord to do between tennants. So how does the "damage" from my smoking make it wrong, when smoker or not, there should be new carpet and paint anyway before someone moves in? Actually, I changed my mind, I will stop smoking, and start dipping. That way I can spit wherever, including the carpet, but it will be ok, no second hand smoke.

So what if people smoke. that there right to smoke out side or inside there own homes or in a apartment that they own with good ventilation . this people think it there right to make sure people are healthy. Need to take a step back and think about people right to do with there body as they wish. it not there right to tell people how to live there lives; in the comfort of there own homes. it there right to make lows that regulate everybody; not discriminate against certain groups. what happen if some one may be burning a candle that would be consider smoking. there smoking sent from a candle. even cooking crates smoke that is inhaled and exhaled out of the body. this low could also include smoking candle. i think the word smoking has the wrong meaning because you inhale or exhale anything. including incense. candle smoke, car smoke, toast smoke or burnt toast, etc. anything that a person is using that can contain smoke or crate smoke that is inhaled into the lungs or exhaled out of the lungs should be considered smoking.

Originally posted by b_cheater21
I smoke in my apartment, and so far the damage caused is nowhere near as great as what my 2 year old has been able to do.

You smoke... inside... with your 2 YEAR OLD CHILD?!

If so you are guilty of far worse than property damage.

no i don't smoke not yet anyway and i don't have children. my thing is politics or special interest groups should not use the dictionary for propaganda. that defile the dictionary and make the dictionary reliable as a reference. plus people how smoke may have mental disorders that can't be treaded with out medication any other way like autism or ADHD; and for some people Ritalin or stritara. do to medical conditions or other the fact that they took Ritalin for too long on this medication, or just do not like the side defects . in my opinion nicotine does have promise as a medication for such conditions and so does cannabis. there has been many studies that have found nicotine can help a person with ADHD can use nicotine to come done, also cannabis does have promise for people with autism. my thought is that the definition of smoking should be: the use of a item that can contain smoke or be brined to produce smoke that can be inhaled or exhaled is smoking. I also think that people ho like to smoke should have the right to smoke on there balcony of there apartment or near an open window. now unless people are smoking and living there ash on the floor then i am again smoking in a apartment. but still smoking is not just about tobacco.

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People are just WAAAAYYYYY too dumb to care properly for themselves. Geez if they do everything right, they might live a few years longer.

I propose we put all humans into cages and feed them high-nutrients paste. Strap their feet to threadmill and make them exercise 2 hour each day.

Problem solved.

PS: why live?

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Sorry for any confusion that response was directed at the poster before you. They talked about smoking indoors and having a child in the same sentence. IMO smoking in an environment where children also live, even if it's not in their presence as any pediatrician will tell you doesn't matter, is endangering the welfare of a child and warrants prosecution.

I don't care what people do as long as their actions don't place others involuntarily at risk. As I detailed in my first post in this thread, I only support legislation that bans smoking in apartments that are multi-level as there's not much the tenants above the smoker can do but suffer and deal with the health ramifications.

although Im not a smoker, this worries me. What else do they want to control us doing in our homes? Next is alcohol?

We are inching ever closer to "Escape from LA" or "Demolition MAn" where they can fine you for swearing, eating the wrong things, or sex is out lawed and babies are grown and genetically bread. We are on a slippery slope to hell. If the concile had an sence would not approve this. If they do, i think the suprem court would over turn it if there is someone who once to protest it.

Originally posted by apc
IMO smoking in an environment where children also live, even if it's not in their presence as any pediatrician will tell you doesn't matter, is endangering the welfare of a child and warrants prosecution.

Good luck enforcing that

Yeah let's imprison every parent that smokes.

While we're at it, lets also imprison every parent that prepares high-cholesterol food for their kids, since we also know for a fact that eating the wrong things causes illness and reduced lifespan.

In fact we should station a cop in every home, to keep an eye on the family, make sure they don't smoke around the kids, don't feed them dangerous junk food, don't let them watch too much TV, etc...

I didn't say imprison. I said prosecute. I feel an appropriate sentence would be parenting classes and community service. For repeat offenders reporting to child services would be next with punishment escalating as appropriate.

Parents have no right to force their children to a life of chronic respiratory infections, asthma, higher susceptibility to pneumonia and possibly cancer.

xmotex, I agree. Smokers provide a focus for persecution. That is not to say that it does not legitimately bother people. But I am sick and tired of people becoming incensed about every little thing that bothers them and moving towards it becoming mandated law. I am tired of trying to keep up with the current PC trends and worried that regardless of which term I use, someone is bound to be offended. Handicapped? Differently Able-d? Handicapable? It's ridiculous.

Food, alcohol and pornography are good examples. Should we go after the Twinkie manufacturers? Alcohol certainly isn't going anywhere any time soon. The Pornography business is booming. What about the lady that has an outside cat? That pisses me off as I am sure it does others. Let's go after her.

Whether or not I smoke is irrelevant. I support the right for you to chose to do as you wish, so long as it is legal. I don't drink, but if you chose to spend your money and time doing so, that is fine by me - just don't drive home. What seems to be lacking most is COMMON COURTESY. On both sides. From those that have no regard for those that may not wish to share in their cigarette smoking and think the world is their ashtray to those that need to throw themselves into a huge overly dramatized display of how your smoking offends them. *coughcoughwavewave*

I respect your right to not partake of these things and respect restrictions to allow for a meeting of the worlds - but don't tell me HOW to live my life. If I am remiss in my manners, forgive me. But I find that far too many of those that are lightning quick to point out other's lack of courtesy or common sense have far too little themselves.

I would love to be able to provide for these furiously adamant protesters a huge plastic ball - like the ones that allow hamsters and the like to roam freely in a protected environment.

I agree fully with that statment. I keep hearing that people are being procescuted for things that they like doing. smoking or drinking. drinking need to be limated because of drunk driving. i can't stand when people want to make everything illegal that harms or hirt people that they do in there own home. that t

One would think that if one could legally obtain goods, they should have a reasonable expectation to use said goods.

Im on the fence for this one - like many issues. LOL

I hate smoking, blech!!! I hate being around it and will get up and move if anyone lights up near me. I dont allow smoking around my daughter either.

With that said, Im all for adults being able to do whatever they want in their own home, as long as its 1. consenting between adults and 2. doesnt intrude on others.

If one can smoke in their home and contain the smoke in their own - so be it. But if one smokes in their home and it intrudes into another person's home.....that is where the problem lies.

I dont want to be exposed to the smoke or the nasty smell of it.

Im so happy I can eat a meal and not have smoke around me....SO happy for this!

I live in government housing (on base)....my last neighbor had a habit of smoking outside near our side of the house (attached housing). In the summer here, we have no AC and it gets in the 80s and the sun is beating down on us 24hrs a day. So having windows open is necessary. All it took was his smoke coming into my house to go over and ask him to smoke somewhere else. Thankfully he was very respectful and moved somewhere else. But I have known others who werent so respectful.

Your rights end where mine begin. I have the right to not be subjected to one's smoke. Contain in your home and everyone is happy

ITS YOUR APT. YOU PAY FOR THAT SPACE, YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SMOKE IF YOU CHOSE TO DO SO.WHATS NEXT? A BAN ON BURNiNG INCENSE?