Free Energy and Its Implications for a Money-Based Society, page 1

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Topic started on 4-10-2007 @ 02:13 PM by Amaterasu

Though I posted this in another thread, I figured it would serve best to be put into its own thread - more people will look and see, I figure, in a new thread than on page 16 of an old thread. [grin]

For a very long time I have understood that we have an error in our understanding of how energy works - and only recently has Dark Energy and Dark Matter shown up in the calculations of the Universal flow of things.

Wilhelm Reich, Royal Rife, Nicola Tesla, Viktor Schauberger, and "Joe X" (Google the "Joe Cell), amongst many, have shown unexplained things about the Universe. The Powers that Be (Petro-Oil, Pharmaceuticals, the Medical Establishment) all have taken steps to quash the information these pioneers tried and are trying to show the world.

And between our ability to transmute matter (at an enormous expenditure of energy) combined with robotics, bio-cyber integration, and other technologies, free energy could remove us from a money-based economy. For in the final analysis, it is energy in some form which is the base for any money exchange.

I offer a video pod I created for an inventor I know and suggest that you might be interested in watching. Here's the link:

www.youtube.com...

Also, I have a blog on MySpace I think would be worth the read - it is actually a story I wrote, but its implications are far-reaching. It addresses what might happen if we all got free energy and is called, "Dark Energy: A Future Historical Retrospective."

Find it here:

blog.myspace.com...

Thank you to all who take the time to review these pieces.

reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 02:30 PM by Terran Blue

Thanks for the links.

That vid was very good

I am glad the vid points out the politics behind this. Most with a braincell know the politics, but it bears repeating IMO, because some people just don't get it.

Have you ever read Neal Stephenson's The Diamond Age?

[edit on 4-10-2007 by Terran Blue]

reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 09:16 PM by admriker444

Not to sidetrack this thread but I have a post I started about the money system we're enslaved by.

I agree that money and energy are tied together. Get free energy to the people and money might just go away.

I call it the replicator economy...think Star Trek.

Anyway the post I started made me rather upset. I as surprised and stunned over so many negative posts in response. How could anyone possibly think a money-based capitalistic system which promotes greed, crime, environmental rape, and worse is possibly a good / necessary thing ???

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The elite who control these black op technologies will gladly watch the world destroy itself fighting over oil. They will never give it up. And when the last drop of oil is burned, they want to switch us over to biofuels or hyrdrogen or anything else that will still require a trip to a fuel station for our cars and a power line connected to our house.

Its about control. These men have all the money they can possibly ever need. Hell, most of them have the power to print their own money via their control of central banks. These people simply are power-hungry control freaks. And like other despots in the past, they think their blood is better than ours. They think they are smarter and know better than we do.

They are the ultimate evil.

reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 09:20 PM by uberarcanist

Free energy-what a crock. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.

(Obligatory "free energy suppression" comment goes below)

reply posted on 5-10-2007 @ 06:11 AM by NRen2k5

You knew I'd have to post here.

Saying that giving Joe Average the ability to generate his own power will render the current energy economy obsolete is like saying giving him the ability to grow vegetables in his back yard will render the grocery store obsolete.

As with anything else, there will be the people who can't do it and there will be people who choose not to. And just as your backyard garden won't feed your family 100% the year round, your domestic power won't meet all your needs.

Just as the grocery store stays in business, so will the utility companies.

You're not going to stick it to the man that way, though you will make your life a little easier.

Free energy in the home is already a reality. Has been for years. Solar panels, anybody?

reply posted on 5-10-2007 @ 02:50 PM by admriker444

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thats a completely ridiculous comparison nren.

most people cant afford solar panels for one. And those that might be able to spend $30,000 to refit their home will also find the batteries the solar panels store energy in need eventual replacement.

many people live in places where solar power wont work. Where I live for example, its cloudy and snowy 3 months a year.

Solar power rarely can provide folks with enough power to live off the grid unless they live somewhere like arizona that has sunshine 300+ days a year.

Thats a far cry from the free energy device that fits easily on a coffee table. And since it has no moving parts and doesnt produce heat, it will never ever wear out. It will therefore be ultimately cheaper.

free energy devices wont care if its sunny out. every single person on the planet will have use for one.

reply posted on 5-10-2007 @ 03:07 PM by UofCinLA

I suggest a reading of Adam Smith would be good.

Markets work quite well setting supply and demand. If oil goes away so do jobs and certain countries (mid east, et. al.) as they have no backup economy. The devices will still need to be built, transported, sold and maintained - just like solar today, and those things have a cost just as the oil does. A nifty fact that people overlook - the US exports more in technology dollars than they spend on energy imports. Find the gov trade data sites and check it out for yourself....

Oh, the Fed is owned by the regional fed's and member banks and by proxy anyone that owns the stocks of those banks - i.e. ME. You could too - just by some stock and join the program. There's no nobility in being poor, just make some bank and enjoy life - it's actually quite fun....

reply posted on 5-10-2007 @ 03:49 PM by admriker444

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first off the fed's stock is private not public shares. They can never be sold. The original owners, those sleazy fellas that met in secret on Jeckyl Island back in 1912 will forever be the only owners.

The regional banks of the fed are controlled by the NY Fed bank ultimately. And it's owners get 100% of all federal income tax collected to pay the ridiculous debt we owe. See Grace Commission for proof.

I wonder how people would feel if they knew that information. Would they so willingly and foolishly happy to pay taxes knowing it went into private hands ?

As long as we have money there will be people like the rockefellers that will exploit others for power and profit.

Money allows an oil-based system to exist. Telsa long ago found away to get free energy into homes. When JP Morgan realized there would be no way to put a meter on the device he quickly pulled his support. We dont have oil because its the best system, we have it because those in charge have control of it.

Look at the medical field. Ever wonder why there are plenty of medicines to let people live with diabetes, aids, cancer, etc but ZERO cures ? There is no money in the cure.

Money goes away and oil will follow. Who in their right mind is going to burn dinosaur sludge when there are so many more healthier options

reply posted on 5-10-2007 @ 04:55 PM by UofCinLA

You so sure..?? Do some reading on starting a bank and how you settle transactions and join the system and not just on the conspiracy of the Fed. You BUY STOCK in the Fed as your capital input. Why else would they loan you the money - you have to put something up first.... You can't just say - hey I'm a bank, I need working funds and by the way, will you clear my transactions.... When it started, banks and bankers did this just as as they do today.

Think of it like a club - you have to pay to join and that's just what all banks do that want to participate in the EFT and lending game....

Is it evil and wrong - not sure, because it's like the house in Vegas. They make money all the time but they also have bills to pay and dividends to return to the shareholders (banks) which they pass on to their shareholders (me)....

I once heard the line "life is like a cesspool of doom and despair but at least I'm sailing a yacht through it". Good words to live by since life's too short so just get on with it - as I said before, there is no nobility in being poor. I'm going sailing now - it's blowing like stink here is SoCal and yup - my hard work bought me a yacht so I can sail through the cesspool - nice..!!

reply posted on 5-10-2007 @ 05:04 PM by Copernicus

Dr Stephen Greer who runs the Disclosure Project have the same opinion, and he also believes the US government have had free energy for decades (from the aliens), but have decided to not share it with the rest of humanity for profit reasons.

Personally, I would love if we got free energy. Its kind of ironic that we started out without money as a species, and now we are back to trying to get rid of it because we see the enslavement and misery that follows from needing money to stay alive.

The consequences would be stuff like people not needing to live in crowded cities anymore (since you dont need to be connected anywhere to get energy). People would be able to live anywhere on the planet and have total freedom to travel anywhere they like for free.

Some people think that without money, nobody would want to do the crap jobs, like cleaning toilets. Well, maybe technology can find a way around that as well. I think it can.

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reply posted on 6-10-2007 @ 04:27 AM by admriker444

reply to post by UofCinLA

absolutely positive. You can buy bonds and cd's from the fed. They might offer other investment options like money market accounts, etc. But you will never be able to purchase stocks for fed ownership. It simply isnt possible.

The Fed since its start in 1913 has always been a private shareholder company. I believe theyre a registered corporation in Delaware.

The complete ownership is unknown. A few researchers managed to get some names. The stock is held by families such as the rockefellers, rothschilds, Goldman-Sach, and a few other prominent families. Its thought that roughly 13 families have ownership stock in the Fed.

They would never allow public trading for two reasons. It prevents them from being exposed to a takeover bid. And the big reason...the Fed was designed to appear like a federal branch of the govt, hence the name. It was designed to look to the public as a neutral bank under the control of the govt. Of course its none of those things and ultimately is responsible only to its owners.

And its completely illegal. The Constitution specifically demands that only conngress shall print money and that it be backed by gold or silver. The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional.

reply posted on 6-10-2007 @ 07:23 AM by NRen2k5

Originally posted by admriker444
reply to post by NRen2k5

thats a completely ridiculous comparison nren.

Not at all.

most people cant afford solar panels for one. And those that might be able to spend $30,000 to refit their home will also find the batteries the solar panels store energy in need eventual replacement.

many people live in places where solar power wont work. Where I live for example, its cloudy and snowy 3 months a year.

Solar power rarely can provide folks with enough power to live off the grid unless they live somewhere like arizona that has sunshine 300+ days a year.

Exactly. And almost exactly what I said through my comparison.

Thats a far cry from the free energy device that fits easily on a coffee table.

Which doesn’t exist.

And since it has no moving parts and doesnt produce heat

Nonsense. Something need not have moving parts to create unwanted heat. Take computer processors for example.

it will never ever wear out. It will therefore be ultimately cheaper.

Of course, because it exists only in your imagination.

free energy devices wont care if its sunny out. every single person on the planet will have use for one.

Only in your imagination.

Hey, I could imagine an ideal solar panel, couldn’t I? That’d be nice.

Originally posted by UofCinLA
The devices will still need to be built, transported, sold and maintained - just like solar today, and those things have a cost just as the oil does.

Bingo.

Originally posted by admriker444
As long as we have money there will be people like the rockefellers that will exploit others for power and profit.

We’ll have them even when we don’t have money anymore.

Money allows an oil-based system to exist. Telsa long ago found away to get free energy into homes.

Actually towards the end of his life, most of Tesla’s inventions were unworkable and fantastic.

When JP Morgan realized there would be no way to put a meter on the device he quickly pulled his support.

No, Morgan supported Tesla in the first place for experiments in radio, to the tune of $150,000. This was in 1900. When Wardenclyffe Tower was still not complete in 1903 and Tesla had begun speaking very specifically about transmission of “free” energy, Morgan decided he wanted nothing to do with it.

We dont have oil because its the best system, we have it because those in charge have control of it.

Last I checked, oil is controlled by corporations and foreign governments, not the U.S. government.

Look at the medical field. Ever wonder why there are plenty of medicines to let people live with diabetes, aids, cancer, etc but ZERO cures ? There is no money in the cure.

No, there are no cures to those diseases because aside from AIDS, they are not viral. They aren’t the result of an attack on the body which can be fended off. They’re the result of the body itself malfunctioning. And with such diseases you can’t always get rid of the disease, but you can treat its effects.

Money goes away and oil will follow. Who in their right mind is going to burn dinosaur sludge when there are so many more healthier options

Oil didn’t come from dinosaurs.…

reply posted on 6-10-2007 @ 03:20 PM by TheDudeAbides

Oil didn’t come from dinosaurs.…

I thought oil was a fossil fuel...

reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 07:28 AM by NRen2k5

Originally posted by TheDudeAbides
I thought oil was a fossil fuel...

Who says dinosaurs are the only fossils?

[edit on 7-10-2007 by NRen2k5]

reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 07:33 PM by hinky

I just want to see someone light a 60 watt light bulb for free. Use whatever magic you want but have it done under scientific peer review. Forget the dark matter and tapping stellar gases from gravity mirrors. I want a system that produces free energy, total void of know physics (we ALL know them eggheads are in this anyway just to keep the average Joe down) that is a totally repeatable result regardless of location. I know I'm asking a lot, but you guys keep talking about this, put up or ... you know the rest.

I know some really tough guys that will protect you, so don't worry about CIA assassins and I also know some people who actually do invest millions in projects and I can make some calls.

I not some teenage punk running his mouth, like many that troll these forums.

Hell, let's get Wade involved so he can self promote more of his web site...

www.ahealedplanet.net...

I'll even toss one out there, for him, in case anyone hasn't seen this yet.

There is a guy in England going through peer review right now involving real colleges and universities, along with real professors in real science, and has the backing of part of the English Government, AND he is alive and talking openly about this. You invent it, put it out in the open, and the masses will be at your door. Anyone who says differently is pure ....

reply posted on 7-10-2007 @ 11:32 PM by TheDudeAbides

Cheap...Maybe. Free? Highly unlikely. Here's a interesting start, but maybe the guys producing the panels are still keeping "joe" down.

WASHINGTON, Oct. 1 (UPI) -- Students from 20 of the world's leading universities are in Washington this week, preparing for the 3rd annual Solar Decathlon.
The U.S. Department of Energy-sponsored Oct. 12-20 competition will transform the National Mall into a solar village, officials said. Teams Wednesday were to begin assembling their entries -- highly energy efficient homes powered entirely by the sun.
University-led teams from Canada, Germany, Spain, Puerto Rice and the United States will be judged in 10 areas encompassing architecture, engineering, livability, lighting, cooking, comfort, power generation for space heating and cooling, water heating and appliances.
More than 100,000 people are expected to tour the solar village, officials said.

reply posted on 8-10-2007 @ 01:38 AM by djohnsto77

There is no such thing as free energy. And there never will be.

The closest thing, as hinted to before, is sunlight which plants have been using for millions and millions of years. Yet they are still in fierce competition with each other, and with animals (like us) who live off the fruit of their energy collections from the sun. Now, even with higher petroleum prices, energy is still quite cheap historically. In our past, most all work done by humans had to be done by ourselves using our own brute strength or through animals, which also took a lot of human work to feed, maintain, train, control, etc.

No matter what type of technology you want to use, it will always have construction and maintenance costs, no matter how advanced and efficient it is. Therefore there will always be a market for the people that build, design and maintain that infrastructure.

reply posted on 8-10-2007 @ 10:47 AM by NRen2k5

Glad to see some other good people who know what they're talking about speak up.

And to TheDudeAbides:
Oil came mostly from algae and plankton. If you really were just kidding around, then I'm sorry to have spoilt it.

reply posted on 8-10-2007 @ 10:49 AM by madnessinmysoul

free energy is scientific folly. there isn't a way to achieve it, we can get damn cheap energy, but it'll never be free

reply posted on 8-10-2007 @ 04:41 PM by TheDudeAbides

Originally posted by NRen2k5
And to TheDudeAbides:
Oil came mostly from algae and plankton. If you really were just kidding around, then I'm sorry to have spoilt it.

Doesn't look like we can be friends with you going around spoiling all my fun.

Oops almost forgot...Interesting articleshowing how much "prehistoric" material was required to produce that petrol well all love soooo much.

A staggering 98 tons of prehistoric, buried plant material – that's 196,000 pounds – is required to produce each gallon of gasoline we burn in our cars, SUVs, trucks and other vehicles, according to a study conducted at the University of Utah.

[edit on 8-10-2007 by TheDudeAbides]

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