Iran's foreign minister: "U.S. can't afford another war"

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

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Again i ask you to view the short you tube video of a 100kt nuclear device buried at a shallow depth of 300 feet.

this is deeper than any nuclear bunker buster would penetrate.

the cloud of highly radioactive debris spread along the ground for 5 miles in either direction and the main cloud rose to 12,000 feet after breaching the surface.


about a strike against an operating nuclear reactor;

it is believed Russia has an end game option ( as well as bio weapons) to elimiate all life in the USA - with 2 dozen warheads.

each warhead would land at an operating nuclear reactor.

and lastly

Iran allready HAS a working nuclear reactor - supplied by the USA

en.wikipedia.org...-Iran_nuclear_co-operation_in_the_1950s_and_60s

wikki yes but nice and short - in 1967 the US supplied to Tehran a 5MW reactor - also with the Highly enriched Uranium to run it - the reactor and fuel is still there to this day.

Wow! A little bit of the daily Iranian anti-US Propoganda and you folks have us in Nuclear War. Lets hope cooler heads than these have their finger on the button.

If the west ever declare an all out war on Islam, I will be 1st in line to join. Iran, Syria, Saudi, Kuwait, Eqypt, all are corrupt nations with a singular mindset of evil Islam doctrine of belittling women and non-Islamists and Islamic conquest.

Costly to wage war on Iran? How much is one nuclear bomb cost? We have a few thousands last time I check.

As far as the Bush admin is concerned, they have an unlimited supply of money when it comes to bombing the crap out of countries and killing thousands of innocent people. I'm not even going to waste my time replying to the warmongers on this thread, as they talk absolute crap, which is something they seem to have an unlimited supply of.

[edit on 4-10-2007 by kindred]

I think nuclear bunker busters usually range from 1 to 30 kilotons and are not in the 100kt range. However, I am not certain of this and don't feel like looking it up at this moment but I will a little later.

the US, in regard to funds could afford the war (it would be easier if Congress could balance their budget).

in regards to war and warfare we could afford it (since the Iraq blunder, US will not move without a LARGE international backing).

also if we ever did go to war with them, we would do it just as easily under a Democrat administration as a Republican (they are all war mongers). Reps and Dems are both controlled by the Israeli Lobby (AIPAC). just look at this and you will see many dems including mrs. clinton on the yea side of the iraq war.

the only reason democrats are going against the war (now) is because the administration failed and they want the votes.

what the US can afford to do is pull out of Iraq, stay out of Iran, and stop giving money to the israelis for them to fight their wars. this would help our relations with iran DRASTICALLY. (they may not even hate us anymore)

the U.S. attacks Iran ->

Iran will attack Israel / U.S. Military in Iraq and around the globe with massive use of suicide squads ->

Israel will join the U.S. led war against Iran ->

Syria will choose its side and help Iran ->

meanwhile China will make its final move towards Taiwan ~

and sooner or later russia will declare war on the U.S. / Israel if they do not immediately stop their own 'agenda' in the middle east. crusade if you will...

and there we are ladies and gents: •WW3•

this scenario is closer than you think [...]

reply to post by FredT

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very intresting what if thay try and thay loose money whats gona happen to america a big drop on the country it will be hopeless

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

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You "Generals" are making the same mistakes again...

You assume that because you use conventional means that Iran will use conventional means.

You say you have air power but how do you counteract some fanatic camped out behind a sand due with a 30 year old Soviet rpg waiting to pick off a jet with a lucky shot as it passes by on a bombing run?

You say you have naval power but how do you counteract a speed boat at midnight packed with sea mines or tnt running into your spotter ship and then a second one ramming your aircraft carriers?

It was proved that at ground level the insurgent hiding in a bombed out building's basement using a map drawn in the dust on the floor, with bits of debris as markers was tactically equal to to the marine with satnav, laser guided bombs and the bradley fighting vehicle as backup.

The problem is you guys think that the middle east is filled with women wearing tents living in 10,000 year old stone houses, wearing towels on their heads and racing camels up and down sand dunes.

You're now dealing with fanatics that started getting ready as soon as Iraq was hit.

The problem is that they're absolutely sure that they're right. And you're absolutely sure that YOU'RE right.

reply to post by Anderi

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Sorry but you are wrong because its a total different scenario then whats happening in Iraq. You do realize that a RPG cannot reach one of our planes when they are on a bombing run right? In fact, the person will be dead before he realized he is being attacked.

Ignorance is bliss.

Change the countries names to U.S.A., England (Great Britain), Australia and the religion to christianity and see that that fits just as well...

belittling women?...try the catholic church

Sorry, but your comparison doesn't come close to reality. I lived in Saudi Arabia for over 4 months. The Catholic church doesn't come close to the level that Islam does. Catholic women can drive cars, show their face in public, vote, use the front door of a resturaunt, and talk to men who are not their blood relative. Islamic women can't do any of the above.

In Saudi Arabia, women aren't even allowed to sit in the front seat of a car if it's just her and her husband. She sits in the back seat while the goat sits up front. That's not an analogy. It's the literal truth that I saw countless times.

So keeping with the topic, the U.S. can't afford the current war that they are in, but that doesn't stop them from carrying it out. Iran's minister's words have as much weight as Baghdad Bob's. It's entertainment but has no bearing on what happens in reality.

reply to post by dbates

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ok, sorry, i was being as generalistic as the poster I was replying to and as generalistic as your reply to me. Maybe a qualifier like 'some' would be much better than blanketing all muslims as wahabis.

Islam is a deeply complicated religion and there are many sects. Some of them are nasty, some of them are nice...much like christianity, and there are christians who think that women should be seen and not heard, as well.

Back to the topic: Iran has a long history, the U.S.A. has a short one.
This headline is probably part of the whole propaganda game played by both sides.

[edit on 5-10-2007 by AotearoaSon]

It's kind of scary how some of you talk about using a Tactical Nuke like its no big deal.

The idea of any, and I do mean any country using a nuclear weapon scares the $%!t out of me.

Now maybes its because when I was a child in the early 1980s I was scared to death by all the talk of the impeding nuclear Holocaust.

I don't know.

But I'm I the only one here, at the age of 30 still gets a cold shiver down the spine at the site of a large mushroom cloud ?

I'm not going to get into the debate about Iran and should my country America invade or not.

But please do not adopt such a cavalier attitude about using Nuclear weapons.

As a species we can not afford that type of apathy.

reply to post by DarkMile77

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Agreed.
Advocating the use of nuclear weapons is just flat out ignorant.

I do believe there are situations that could arise that would make the use of nuclear weapons a legitimate option, but only as a necessary evil preformed with great conscientiousness and regret. Even then, a necessary evil is still evil.

Beyond that, the warfare cheerleader squad makes me sick in general. It's easy to call for bombing people when you're safe behind your keyboard. This ain't a game.

In war, one thing is assured... innocent people WILL die.

War (and violence in general) should only EVER be a last resort. Those who can't see that are a hindrance to the human race.

[edit on 5-10-2007 by BitRaiser]

www.nationalpriorities.org...

This link will show you how fast the cost of war is rising.




usgovinfo.about.com...

Now Iran is gonna need a hella lot more then this to even get close to keeping some sort of order. If the FED keeps printing money to accomadate the cost of war, then they will cause major inflation and eventually we will see a depression worse then 1929.

Since a new topic has come up on this thread, Everybody is forgetting the fact that Iran does have some Allies and Russia is the country that is helping them build their reactor. Now let just say that Russia decided to stay the course with Iran and forsake any type of any polical or economic friendliness between us: whose to say they will not send a couple of Tsars our way? They definately have the ICBM's to do it.

[edit on 5-10-2007 by Timmyboi23]

Iran's foreign minister: "U.S. can't afford another war"

I'm not sure lack of capital matters in another war for the USA.
Neutron or nuclear, some, including me, are convinced the USA has a delivery machine capable of at least mach 9 and is cloaked.

If that's true premptively, the war would be over minutes after the go ahead. This includes simultaneous targets. Any weapons launched from Countries prior to being removed from further aggression, would be eliminated on the machines return to north America or others sent up to monitor & destroy incoming wmd.

Dallas

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

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im sorry but you are wrong

www.fas.org...

the largest RNEP considered was 1.2MT and all the weapons would have at least been 100kt or more - there is a common miscomception about these weapons that they are somehow `clean` and `safe` to use - this is very sadly not the case - they are designed to send shockwaves through the ground to collapse structures - the fireball etc and cloud will still be very much in evidence leavinf very much radiation and fallout in the area (and downwind) - there is a video on fas.org link which is the DoD explanation of how they work.

thankfully RNEP got cancelled.

reply to post by Timmyboi23

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I would think it's due to Irans 'Alies', something hasn't been done already to shut-down any future threat of their nuclear weapon ambition. After the posturing though the under-table bargaining has or will take place by the 'powers' and quite-possibly an uninhibited plan will play out.

Dallas

if it wasnt for china you would be finished you all talk like nazis your time is nearly over the trouble is your the only nation that has used atomic bombs on people and knowing your insanity when you know your beat you will take the rest of the world with you. you war mongering rat bags you are modern rome take a look at yourselfs