Iran's foreign minister: "U.S. can't afford another war" , page 5

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

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Again i ask you to view the short you tube video of a 100kt nuclear device buried at a shallow depth of 300 feet.

this is deeper than any nuclear bunker buster would penetrate.

the cloud of highly radioactive debris spread along the ground for 5 miles in either direction and the main cloud rose to 12,000 feet after breaching the surface.


about a strike against an operating nuclear reactor;

it is believed Russia has an end game option ( as well as bio weapons) to elimiate all life in the USA - with 2 dozen warheads.

each warhead would land at an operating nuclear reactor.

and lastly

Iran allready HAS a working nuclear reactor - supplied by the USA

en.wikipedia.org...-Iran_nuclear_co-operation_in_the_1950s_and_60s

wikki yes but nice and short - in 1967 the US supplied to Tehran a 5MW reactor - also with the Highly enriched Uranium to run it - the reactor and fuel is still there to this day.

the US, in regard to funds could afford the war (it would be easier if Congress could balance their budget).

in regards to war and warfare we could afford it (since the Iraq blunder, US will not move without a LARGE international backing).

also if we ever did go to war with them, we would do it just as easily under a Democrat administration as a Republican (they are all war mongers). Reps and Dems are both controlled by the Israeli Lobby (AIPAC). just look at this and you will see many dems including mrs. clinton on the yea side of the iraq war.

the only reason democrats are going against the war (now) is because the administration failed and they want the votes.

what the US can afford to do is pull out of Iraq, stay out of Iran, and stop giving money to the israelis for them to fight their wars. this would help our relations with iran DRASTICALLY. (they may not even hate us anymore)

reply to post by FredT

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very intresting what if thay try and thay loose money whats gona happen to america a big drop on the country it will be hopeless

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

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You "Generals" are making the same mistakes again...

You assume that because you use conventional means that Iran will use conventional means.

You say you have air power but how do you counteract some fanatic camped out behind a sand due with a 30 year old Soviet rpg waiting to pick off a jet with a lucky shot as it passes by on a bombing run?

You say you have naval power but how do you counteract a speed boat at midnight packed with sea mines or tnt running into your spotter ship and then a second one ramming your aircraft carriers?

It was proved that at ground level the insurgent hiding in a bombed out building's basement using a map drawn in the dust on the floor, with bits of debris as markers was tactically equal to to the marine with satnav, laser guided bombs and the bradley fighting vehicle as backup.

The problem is you guys think that the middle east is filled with women wearing tents living in 10,000 year old stone houses, wearing towels on their heads and racing camels up and down sand dunes.

You're now dealing with fanatics that started getting ready as soon as Iraq was hit.

The problem is that they're absolutely sure that they're right. And you're absolutely sure that YOU'RE right.

reply to post by Anderi

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Sorry but you are wrong because its a total different scenario then whats happening in Iraq. You do realize that a RPG cannot reach one of our planes when they are on a bombing run right? In fact, the person will be dead before he realized he is being attacked.

reply to post by dbates

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ok, sorry, i was being as generalistic as the poster I was replying to and as generalistic as your reply to me. Maybe a qualifier like 'some' would be much better than blanketing all muslims as wahabis.

Islam is a deeply complicated religion and there are many sects. Some of them are nasty, some of them are nice...much like christianity, and there are christians who think that women should be seen and not heard, as well.

Back to the topic: Iran has a long history, the U.S.A. has a short one.
This headline is probably part of the whole propaganda game played by both sides.

[edit on 5-10-2007 by AotearoaSon]

reply to post by DarkMile77

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Agreed.
Advocating the use of nuclear weapons is just flat out ignorant.

I do believe there are situations that could arise that would make the use of nuclear weapons a legitimate option, but only as a necessary evil preformed with great conscientiousness and regret. Even then, a necessary evil is still evil.

Beyond that, the warfare cheerleader squad makes me sick in general. It's easy to call for bombing people when you're safe behind your keyboard. This ain't a game.

In war, one thing is assured... innocent people WILL die.

War (and violence in general) should only EVER be a last resort. Those who can't see that are a hindrance to the human race.

[edit on 5-10-2007 by BitRaiser]

www.nationalpriorities.org...

This link will show you how fast the cost of war is rising.




usgovinfo.about.com...

Now Iran is gonna need a hella lot more then this to even get close to keeping some sort of order. If the FED keeps printing money to accomadate the cost of war, then they will cause major inflation and eventually we will see a depression worse then 1929.

Since a new topic has come up on this thread, Everybody is forgetting the fact that Iran does have some Allies and Russia is the country that is helping them build their reactor. Now let just say that Russia decided to stay the course with Iran and forsake any type of any polical or economic friendliness between us: whose to say they will not send a couple of Tsars our way? They definately have the ICBM's to do it.

[edit on 5-10-2007 by Timmyboi23]

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

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im sorry but you are wrong

www.fas.org...

the largest RNEP considered was 1.2MT and all the weapons would have at least been 100kt or more - there is a common miscomception about these weapons that they are somehow `clean` and `safe` to use - this is very sadly not the case - they are designed to send shockwaves through the ground to collapse structures - the fireball etc and cloud will still be very much in evidence leavinf very much radiation and fallout in the area (and downwind) - there is a video on fas.org link which is the DoD explanation of how they work.

thankfully RNEP got cancelled.

reply to post by Timmyboi23

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I would think it's due to Irans 'Alies', something hasn't been done already to shut-down any future threat of their nuclear weapon ambition. After the posturing though the under-table bargaining has or will take place by the 'powers' and quite-possibly an uninhibited plan will play out.

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