4thdoctorwhofan,

you say that the other person dodged your questions, but you are doing the same.

What do you think would happen if a low yield nuclear "downwardly directed bomb" was to be used to blow up a nuclear facility?

My answer/opinion is that the two would potentiate each other like pouring gasoline on a fire cept more poisonous.

A little off topic but with the nuclear waste from the energy plants, what about all of that, its a very real and serious problem, lets see your reaction when some piece of garbage heists a barrels worth and uses dynamite or ammonium nitrate to explode it in a city. It is a problem that is only getting worse as the days go by.


One last question doctor, why are you so bent on attacking Iran I mean you have even said that we can wipe them off the earth make persians an endangered people (since the only remaining ones would be ex-pats). Do you think that Iran is a threat to us. They say Irans weapons are being used to attack US troops but what about all the US weapons being used to attack US troops, there are many reports of thousands of US weapons gone missing.

Besides Iran is Iraqs neighbor and there are elements in Iran that hate the US like everywhere else especially since the US toppled a democratically elected president in the 50's and supplied Iraq with chemical weapons during the Iran Iraq war. So your solution is to bomb them more what do you think that will do? IMO it will cause more hatred towards the US and give further ammunition for the real terrorists not the so called institutional ones like republican guards to attack the US.

One thing you need to remember is that people are people the republican guards for all their rhetoric and shady funding are still businessmen and care more about the empires of wealth and business they have built so they would never act in a way that would threaten their existence.

Dont get me wrong I would like to see Irans current theocracy removed from power and replaced with a more modern system but that needs to happen on its own. Attacking Iran will only strengthen them and right now their is a lot of discontent in the country because of poor economic progress. There will be an internal revolution in Iran I assure you if they are left to their own, but that will never happen if we decide to strategically bomb them or if israel does.

[edit on 4-10-2007 by Desolate Cancer]

Cheney just wants another war because with his (rumored) heart, violence and the threat of violence is the only way he can get it up anymore. I bet he couldn't control himself when he shot that guy in the face and had to change his undies.

Originally posted by grover
I love the way these right (or should I say wrong, since there is nothing right about them) wingers discount other's arguments by saying oh thats your opinion and so there is no need to engage in a discussion or to consider other's "opinions".

Well it is your opinion.
Please show me the fallout data for the nuclear bunker buster bomb to prove your point. You must also take into consideration the actual yield of the bomb, wind and other atmospheric conditions along with the penatrating depth of the bomb.

You are giving your opinion and I am giving mine and presto, you have a discussion.

You are a total fool if you think that dropping a nuclear bomb on a nuclear power plant is not going to cause a huge radioactive escape from the power plant and subsequent fallout over a large region.

First of all, you have no idea how far along Iran's reactors are to being completed. Secondly, even a conventional bomb will not necessarily release radiation from a reactor. Thirdly, if a small nuclear bunker buster bomb is used, there will not be a massive radioactive release like you believe.

To contemplate such an act is insane and a crime against humanity since the fallout would not be contained and would spread over a wide area affecting a huge number of innocent people.

Well, I guess that will teach Iran not to play with the big dogs.
They shouldn't have provoked us if they cannot handle the consequences.

If its so safe... go move your dumb ass to the area around Chernobyl or next to a waste storage facility and bask in the glow of your safety.

Calling people names is always the last resort of a losing argument.
Oh, and BTW, I do live near a reactor so again you have no idea what you are talking about.

The only thing you have proved is your belligerence.

Originally posted by Desolate Cancer

you say that the other person dodged your questions, but you are doing the same.

No!
I have answered every question. Some people just don't like the response so they ignore my statement and claim I never answered. Its an old debating trick.

What do you think would happen if a low yield nuclear "downwardly directed bomb" was to be used to blow up a nuclear facility?

My answer/opinion is that the two would potentiate each other like pouring gasoline on a fire cept more poisonous.

My answer is not much except for the destruction of the facility. A conventional bomb will not necessarily release radiation from a reactor.

A little off topic but with the nuclear waste from the energy plants, what about all of that, its a very real and serious problem, lets see your reaction when some piece of garbage heists a barrels worth and uses dynamite or ammonium nitrate to explode it in a city. It is a problem that is only getting worse as the days go by.

I'm not worried. Air travel is supposed to be the safetest yet look at all the deaths due to crashes.

One last question doctor, why are you so bent on attacking Iran

I'm not! I will be just as content if they don't attack.
All I am saying is that if the U.S. does attack Iran, I don't have a problem with it and they deserve it.

Originally posted by grover
You are a total fool if you think that dropping a nuclear bomb on a nuclear power plant is not going to cause a huge radioactive escape from the power plant and subsequent fallout over a large region.

Fur sure! Dropping a nuclear bomb in crystal clear water creates a radioactive fallout. They could however do as Israel did to Iraq's nuclear reactor. If you nip it in the bud before the reactor is fueled and up and running you're quite safe....unless you use a nuclear bomb. Then it doesn't matter what you bomb.

Originally posted by grover
The only thing you have proved is your belligerence.

Thanks for your intelligent and informative post......NOT!

Starting a war in Iran is imbecilic, considering we have tens of thousands of troops next door in a country that is now far more friendly with Iran than it is with us. If you think we're taking casualties now in Iraq, wait until we attack Iran. US troops can expect a VBIED at every corner and a sniper on every rooftop.

Those stroking themselves at the thought of the US's conventional military superiority to Iran are missing the point: whether or not we launch a land invasion of Iran, we have troops close by that are perfect targets for Iranian retaliation. And Iran almost certainly will retaliate - especially if we're attacking nuclear plants in their cities, & releasing radioactive material into populated areas.

Anyone who thinks that such a conflict can be restricted to a one-sided air campaign is a total fool.

Unfortunately, our leaders have already proven that they are, in fact, total fools - so who knows what will happen.

Um howdy everybody.

I think we can all agree that this is a very passionate subject and that everyone here is simply looking to express their own opinion.

But let's all remember that we're all here to discuss and attack the issues, not our fellow members even if we disagree with them on a particular subject...or every subject.

So let's keep this thread going I think everyone is bringing up good points, but let's not attack each other.

Okie doke have fun,

Spiderj

I find it amusing that some here seem to think that Irans (rather large and in some sense, sophisticated) military would be "wiped out" using Air power alone.

I assume these persons are too young to remember 1999 and Kosovo, when after several weeks of repeated strikes by scores of Allied aircraft, the Serbian suffered less than 1000 dead (mostly from one barracks being hit, I might add), most of the targets we hit were dummies set up by the Serbs or just plain wrong and 95% of the Serbian military that was in Kosovo emerged unscathed after the bombing.

Real impressive Air power.....

I appreciate your gung-ho and proud of your "huge"military wang you guys have, but Air power alone has never achieved the defeat of an enemy. All your going to do is stir up a hornets nest, and you don't even know where the hornets are.

I have already placed the fellow I was arguing with in ignore.

For the longest time I refused to do that. But as time goes on it becomes easier and easier.

Originally posted by Dr Love
I think the US air power is only as effective as the US wants it to be. For what reason they decide to pull back the reins at a certain time, I don't know. There's a ton of underlying, secretive reasons for war that the public is not privy to.

It could be what you stated but it also might be political correctness. The military is growing with lawyers and they are being given more power to control every little aspect of an engagement. Why? I don't know. Just look at some of the stupid rules of engagement being put upon our soldiers in Iraq. The last thing we need is the military to become totally PC.

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan

Well, I guess that will teach Iran not to play with the big dogs.
They shouldn't have provoked us if they cannot handle the consequences.

I am amazed by the arrogance.
Who provoked who?
History is not just something that happened yesterday. There are ongoing consequences.
Remember the CIA coup that overthrew a democratically elected president in 1954?

I believe that it is the U.S.A. bush regime that is the provoker.

Gungho arrogance can only lead to hurt.