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Iran's foreign minister: "U.S. can't afford another war"


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Topic started on 3-10-2007 @ 07:07 PM by FredT


Iran's foreign minister: "U.S. can't afford another war"


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UNITED NATIONS - Iran's foreign minister said Wednesday the United States is not in a position to attack his country because Washington cannot afford another costly war in the region.

Manouchehr Mottaki accused President Bush's administration of engaging in "psychological war" and had raised the option of a military strike every six months over the last two years.
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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 07:07 PM by FredT


Believe what you will but its pretty clear to me that Iraq was meerly supposed to be a stepping stone on the way to Tehran. Only the botched job that was performed post invasion prevented then from continuing east. He is right, we do not have the money to fund a disasterous war with iran either. If you think Iraq is expensive imagine what the costs are going to be in a country 3 times the size with 3 times the population.

Also our military is stretched thin and equipment is wearing out. That also needs to be paid for as well. The bottom line. Lets hope the diplomacy things works. Cause if you think the situation in Iraq is bad, just you wait and see.....

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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 07:11 PM by screamintrucker


Okay, what if????


We are already spending a billion dollars every 3 days in Iraq, and we all know that we will be there quite a while longer! Wouldnt breaking the bank in a war with Iran help to fulfill the agenda of the illuminati? They are ultimately wanting to push the Amero, so by crippling our economy during war, could bring this country to its knees! Dave



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 07:23 PM by Techsnow


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You have a point.

With the U.S. being 9tril in debt as opposed to 5tril in debt 8 years ago it seems that the leaders in power have given up on contributing to the bank completely or working with the bank to crash the U.S. economy. But what I cant seem to understand is why (if we were working with the bank) they would let the country drive itself so in debt unless it was either a false front to make ourselves look like we were going in debt... or in fact we are going in debt. To sum this up, I believe the newly created U.S. debt is infact a newly created illusion for a new world war.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 07:27 PM by 4thDoctorWhoFan


He is wrong IMO because the strike on Iran IF it occurs will only be by air and ONLY limited to Iran's nuclear facilities. The cost of this is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the Iraq war.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 07:33 PM by Sky watcher


After a statement like that along with all the other smack talk from Iran I think its about time we American tax payers show them we can hit them any time any day we choose. Not bombing the crap out of them is making them more bolder and more dangerous for us and our troops in Iraq.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 07:41 PM by FredT


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Do you really think it will stop there? Its doubtfull.

Plus its likely that it too late unless they are going to use the nuclear bunker buster option. Iran has not been sitting on its hands

Iran's Nuclear Facilities May Be Dug In Too Deep To Hit

Iran: Uranium Enrichment Plant Underground

[edit on 10/3/07 by FredT]



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 07:56 PM by princeofpeace


Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
He is wrong IMO because the strike on Iran IF it occurs will only be by air and ONLY limited to Iran's nuclear facilities. The cost of this is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the Iraq war.


You my friend are exactly right. That is what the many folks on this board just cant get through their heads. We can luanch strikes to take out Irans nuclear infrastructure and severely degrade the RG without stepping one boot on the ground. It can be done completely via naval and air power.

For some reason everyone wants to think Iran will be Iraq part 2 LOL. Its not even the same thing.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:03 PM by 4thDoctorWhoFan


Originally posted by FredT
Plus its likely that it too late unless they are going to use the nuclear bunker buster option. Iran has not been sitting on its hands

I don't have a problem with our military using nuclear bunker buster bombs. Another option is the thermobaric bomb which can also be useful for underground targets.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:07 PM by bodrul


Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
He is wrong IMO because the strike on Iran IF it occurs will only be by air and ONLY limited to Iran's nuclear facilities. The cost of this is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the Iraq war.


and the Iranians are just going to sit back and let the trigger happy nut cases bomb their country

Persions arent cowards like arabs



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:08 PM by Sky watcher


Yes I thought very carefully about how deep our bombs would have to dig to crush those underground bunkers after seeing that nice bunker Saddam had that we hit six times and it didn't shake the pictures off the walls. We hit it six times with 2000 pound bunker busters but what would happen if we sent in 20 more to the same hole by by bunker.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:12 PM by Sky watcher


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Yes they probably will because they know if they try to fight us they will get bombed into the stone age.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:15 PM by bodrul


Originally posted by Sky watcher

Yes they probably will because they know if they try to fight us they will get bombed into the stone age.


dont get to cocky
you really think the US wont get the same fait if it should ever bomb Iran back to the stone age?

how hard do you think it would be for Iran to get Bio/Nukes into the united states

so which city/cities do you want to lose?

Nuke Iran/Bomb it to the stone age as some arm chair generals state here all the time, expect the same faver in return which you would also deserve.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:16 PM by 4thDoctorWhoFan


Originally posted by bodrul
and the Iranians are just going to sit back and let the trigger happy nut cases bomb their country

Thats easy to say but please tell me with all your vast knowledge how they are going to stop us?
We will have air and sea dominance so what will they do?



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:18 PM by bodrul


Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
Thats easy to say but please tell me with all your vast knowledge how they are going to stop us?
We will have air and sea dominance so what will they do?


i didnt say stop now, did i
or did i point out Iran wouldnt take it sitting on their rear like their arab neigbour

Iran still have gear to strike your lads in the gulf
or is your forces indestructible to all weapons

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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:24 PM by 4thDoctorWhoFan


Originally posted by bodrul
i didnt say stop now, did i

That is what you implied.

or did i point out Iran wouldnt take it sitting on their rear like their arab neigbour

And you still did not answer the question.
Since you say they will not take it sitting on their rear, then what are they going to do in order NOT to 'take it'?

Iran still have gear to strike your lads in the gulf
or is your forces indestructible to all weapons

No they don't. As I said, we will have air and SEA dominance. Once we decide to strike Iran their defenses will be inoperable before they even know whats happening.

[edit on 3-10-2007 by 4thDoctorWhoFan]



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:32 PM by bodrul


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as much as i want to sit here and debate this its 2.30 am
so good night

but i will leave with this comment

Read Weapons forum on Irans Missile systems, which are capible of striking US vessels in the gulf (Silk worm and so on, mach 2+ missiles)
SAM systems and so on

Iran have teath unlike their neigbour

and my term wont take it sitting on their rear = they will fight back and take alot of your boys with them before they go. (doesnt imply stop the nut cases but put up a fight)

do some research on persions

and read past Iranian topics on ATS as most of this has been talked about and repeated so much over and over again (there are lit 100s of attack Iran topics on ats)



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:37 PM by 4thDoctorWhoFan


Originally posted by bodrul
Read Weapons forum on Irans Missile systems, which are capible of striking US vessels in the gulf (Silk worm and so on, mach 2+ missiles)
SAM systems and so on

Unfortunately for Iran, these weapon systems will be destroyed before Iran even knows they are being attacked.

and my term wont take it sitting on their rear = they will fight back and take alot of your boys with them before they go. (doesnt imply stop the nut cases but put up a fight)

Again, thats easy to say yet you cannot tell me how they will accomplish this feat. Answer: they can't!

do some research on persions

I have as I saw the movie '300'.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:51 PM by FredT


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No thermobaric bombs would work for caves etc. But deeply hardened underground structures are not really at risk by those types which rely more on flame (oxygen depletion, etc) than by outright shock damage.

Also the stuff is spread out and the Alburz mountain range would provide a ton of hiding places like Tora Bora. Can't get them all eh?

As far as nuclear release goes, I have no doubt you have no issue with it, but how how about out allies in the area? The notion that the radiation is ontained is bogus and you run the risk of contaminating not only our troops but other friendlies in the area as well.

In as far as the statment someone made (Not you) that Iran is not Iraq, he is 100% correct. Its far far worse. There is no supressed mmajority welcoming us, rather the whole population will be hostile. ill the US roll over the Iranian military? without a doubt, but to garrison the country? Given how well things are working in Iraq someone would have to be seriously deluded to think that Iran would be any better.



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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 08:54 PM by Techsnow


Why is everyone on this thread so war hungry to attack Iran anyway? It seems like just because they say we can't "afford" to attack them, people in the U.S. are insulted. Why would you be insulted by a slug at the U.S. financial situation anyway>?



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