No more socializing in My kids school.

Damn this sucks

Reminds me of something that happened over here in Australia. A few public schools banned teaching and talking about christmas in case it upset minority groups (muslims in this case) coz the parents claimed it was racist by pushing other religions onto their kids. Pretty stupid for a mostly christian country. Equal rights gone haywire in my opinion.
Back in my day the kids that didnt believe in christmas were allowed to leave the class until that subject was over

Oh sorry if I got of topic

Originally posted by elevatedone
"all in all, we're just another brick in the wall"

Cheer up, the wall is an illusion it is made of jello and you can float right through

Originally posted by Catfish
Didn't you get the memo? this is social studies. Oh, my bad, Antisocial studies. They're teaching them to submit and conform while they're young so they wont have "issues" later in life.

Sad but true.

The document in the post linked in my signature says the family structure is to be broken down to increase the amount of time kids spend in daycare and school, so they can be indoctrinated as slaves.

It also says that by making people depended on government money, government gets control over them. The exact way that the federal government broke the constitutional authority of education directly given to the states.

The Federal government gave out money, then when all the schools could not live without it, they demanded a standardized testing that taught memorization of facts over critical thinking.


[edit on 5-10-2007 by Redge777]

i graduated pre 9/11, but i have a brother that just went into high school. they have cool things like computers in all the classrooms now but they have a lot less freedom and tolerance than they did when i was there.

i've already decided to homeschool my kid, or at least give it a shot. every day i read something that reinforces my decision. i think it's funny that the world will expect a person to act a certain way because of the brainwas...er schooling they endured. along will come homeschooled kids who can think for themselves and cause mayhem.

my favorite quote is from mark twain and goes something like "i never let school get in the way of my education." i hadn't read that until after i got out of school but it describes my school career to a T. i was never good at school and it wasn't for lack of trying. i'm not the type that can read a book and absorb. i have to experience it. depending on my mindset, i can read a paragraph about something like history 5 times and still not grasp what it said. if the content doesn't apply to me in some way my brain doesn't bother to catalog it. for this reason i did pretty well in english classes because i had interest in speaking well. i did ok in math and foreign languagees because they were at least somewhat interesting. anything computer/IT-related gets memorized pretty much on first contact as this area has always been my passion. i spent my spare time learning things on my own. i learned far more in my own studies than i could have at school.

i'm a little off-point so to sum up: i'm probably going to teach my kid the bare minimums as far as official curriculum, but he will have knowledge that will help him in the real world. i refuse to push a conventional mindset on him. he may be an outcast at times, but hopefully he'll be aware enough to not feel like one.

reply to post by Demetre

I am so proud of you for stepping in and helping your children on an issue you felt was wrong. Many people just say there is nothing they can do, many people just listen to the excuse of the teacher and do no more.

When they told you not to socialize on the topic of your disastifaction, gave you there reason, you raised the bar and did not accept it.

Three cheers from me!

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To learn history, or absorb it, put yourself in the place of one of the people, or an individual in society you are reading about. Sometimes questions might come up about how they did things or why. Then look around for the answers to those questions.

Those people that stood up and are in the books had real lives, made choices and mistakes, sometimes I forget that, when I remember them as real people it gets real interesting to me.

oz: i grew up in a religion that didn't celebrate holidays. my teachers were always good about letting my exclude myself from activities related to christmas and such. the only problem i ever had was when we were given bonus questions for a history test that were all about christmas songs and such. someone in my situation had minimal exposure to such things and when i brought it up i was basically told "tough". i didn't expect special treatment, but i did expect to have a fair shot at getting bonus points like the other kids. i didn't make a fuss over it though. these days i probably could have sued or caused a big fuss if i was that type of person.

it wasn't long after i finished school that i started thinking for myself so don't worry about offending me if anyone wants to reply. =)

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Thats was a bit harsh on you. Our christmas activities at school never involved tests as i recall.

I just felt that the majority should not have to suffer due to a minority. The parents that wanted their kids to not be involved in christmas activities should have asked permission for them to not be present when we did them,. But instead they demanded the school not even teach anything about christmas.

Just seems unfair on the majority

This wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for the lowering of social standards in our society. When you have 10% of kids younger than thirteen have had sex something must be done. So is nipping at the bud by limiting physical contact at elementary school level a bad thing?
NO, IF YOUR KID WANTS/NEEDS A HUG THEY CAN GET ONE AT HOME!
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[edit on 5-10-2007 by icybreeze]

I just felt that the majority should not have to suffer due to a minority

this was my thinking at the time as well. i didn't want to spoil it for everyone else so i kept quiet. if these were HISTORY questions on a HISTORY test then i would have still missed them, but at least i would have felt i had a level field. =)

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Hugging doesnt cause underage sex, lack of education does. I hugged girls when i was 12 years old and it didnt cause me to have underage sex. I'am sorry but what you just typed was ridiculous

agreed. instead of talking openly about sex, were programmed as a society to shun it and be ashamed of it. if you talk about it with your kid and make sure they understand it, i really doubt you would have as much of a problem with it. if you give a caveman a gun, he's going to shoot wildly at everything. give it to someone who is trained and i doubt you'll see anything bad come of it. might be a bad analogy but it's at least somewhat thought-provoking. =)

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Ridiculous. Maybe these kids are getting pregnant because they're left to being raised by the public school system & not their parents. I often fight with myself as to whether I should homeschool or not. I ultimately sent them to school for the social interaction I thought they'd receive. I shouldn't complain as I've been very fortunate. I've been able to stay at home with My children since My oldest was born & he's 11. My girl just started 2nd grade and I just recently started to work. I'm self employed so I'm still able to drive them to and from school without relying on someone else. I sympathize with those who aren't as fortunate. The govt. makes it as difficult as possible to raise a family without both parents working.They suck.

Peace. K*

p.s. The teacher made My daughter got star of the week. Hmmm, suspiciously so. (She's a star every wk. in My eyes.)

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Instead of just griping to a bunch of strangers on a forum, why don't you think about getting out from behind your keyboard, taking an active interest in your childs future, and go talk to the principle. If that doesn't work, try doing something else a bit more positive, like contacting other parents and organizing, if they can all be made to feel like you do.

This, in my considered opinion, right or wrong, is one of the major problems with our new, technologically inclined, generations. It's easier to post as you did, something here on this forum, and have all the other conspiracy freaks and keyboard lifestylists, telling you how awful it is... It's Big Brother... It's the NWO... It's the Masons... It's the Reptilians... Yes! We'll pat you on the back and agree on how horrible it is... etc. etc. etc. etc.

I would like to suggest to you that it is time to grow up, dust off your shoes, get off your keyboard imbedded butt, and take responsibility, and an active interest in your childs future, without relying on us to pat your back, hold your hand, and in general, commiserate with your sad state of affairs.

But... My children are already grown, out of the house and relatively successful... I don't have any idea how their Mother and I did it without forums to cry on.


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[edit on 9-10-2007 by Jbird]

On the subject of teaching material in school. I have thoughts.

Schools are told they can not teach any religion, this comes from a document about the separation of church and state from Jefferson, a Deist and one who, at least in his open writings, denied the reality of the spiritual world.

Yet, the darkness of the world of greed, commercialism, and self satisfaction is taught. Our economic system and the striving for personal gain is the opposite of the teachings of Christ, so should not teachings of love be also taught?

While people claim no religion in school, they actually just exclude the religion that is opposed to the real one they teach, the one of the world, with all its vices and methods born of darkness.

reply to post by Redge777


Redge, are you serious? That document you're talking about is the Constitution, our framework for laws. Jefferson was a Deist, true, but that doesn' mean he wasn't a believer in Jesus. It certainly does mean that he believed in spirit, as Deists who simply people who believe in one Deity, which can be God, Yahweh or Allah. Those religions all believe in the spiritual.
People other than Christians have a right to have their religious beliefs respected as well, you know. How would you like to have someone else's religion or lack of it shoved down your throat? Most of the signers of the Constitution were Masons and quite a few were Deists, you can't just blame one man for separation of church and state, which is a good thing, IMO. Otherwise, we run the risk of a theocracy, where only Christians are allowed and everyone has to be Christian. It wouldn't be America then, land of the free.
I'll worry about my "soul", you worry about yours.

P.S. - Demetre, glad my suggestion worked and that I could be of help.
THanks for the credit. I'm so glad it worked out this easy for you instead of lawsuit, more harrassment, etc.
Love your name, too.

reply to post by forestlady


Actually it was a document written to a baptist minister. I refer to his religious beliefs as rational over the spiritual. Look up the Jefferson Bible. Grouping Deist was wrong.

I believe he wanted to protect the church from the state, and the state from the church. However the constitution gave powers of education to the states something we no longer fully have.

You are correct I can not blame one man for separation of church and state, I agree, and I probably misspoke. I do believe secularism is a religion in that it ends up teaching by exclusion of religion.

You are actually correct I am off base on my tone, I think I was making a point, knowing very well their is no good solution.

I never want to push Christianity on anyone. God didn't even do that, he gave free will. I was only trying to point out the feelings people of religion have, they feel their children are being taught education void of religion. A form of religion.

[edit on 6-10-2007 by Redge777]

sigung86, I felt that your comment was a bit assuming and over the top. Are all parents who bring such issues here whiners and do nothing about these issues in real life? I would think not. In that vein I could take a leap and say that your assumption could lead one to believe that because you choose to be active in an online community that makes you a bad parent? Perhaps such posts are intended for venting or maybe even perhaps being comfortable enough with that community to seek opinions from those that may have had experience with such, not simply looking for a suitable conspiracy theory. Should we laud you copiously for raising your children without "forums to cry on"? The sad thing is, your post does have some truth to it. Some people have become so involved with their time online/their own activities that the children do not get the attention that they should. So, while I agree with you on some level, I thought that the condescending smugness might keep people from seeing the facts buried in the chastisement.

Another point that I found touched on a truth was the lowering of social standards. I agree whole heartedly. I see an increase in the lack of common courtesy in ADULTS everyday. I was brought up to say "excuse me" "please" and "thank you" regardless of whether it was acknowledged, appreciated or reciprocated. So are my children. But it seems the only time you hear that anymore it when it has been something said by rote and often with a surly tone. It makes me very sad. But to say that this lowering of standards has caused hugging each other in school to lead to underaged sex? I think that there is a bit more to it than that. How about if we add to the lowered standards and throw in lack of attentiveness my parents, peer pressure, and a barrage of inappropriate media? I think it truly began with the 80's me-me-me generation, where no one was responsible for their actions and instead of correcting behaviors we blame the token "real" reason, assure you that it's not your fault and give you a pill. - I must give sigung86 kudos once more. His comment of not knowing how to do it without the aid of forums rings true, however sarcastic. Parents manage to raise successful healthy children generations previous without the aid of a doctor to diagnose them with ADHD and scribble out a prescription - Children today have too many freedoms. They are not developed enough to adequately deal with this and need guidance and structure. There is a decided lack of this. I believe that part of it is the lack of real involvement by parents and the interference of outside sources. In defense of teachers, they are asked to assume a mighty responsibility. The duties that are asked to assume now seem more akin to raising their students as opposed to teaching them. Add to that the blatant disrespect of the students, crippling of the educational system where memorization and standard of learning exam scores are held about comprehension and growth, and we can see that we are seriously short changing these kids in school.

I was going to launch on the removal of holiday celebrations (I remember those that didn't practice Christmas or Halloween or whatever having the choice to remain or go to the art room/library instead, as well) and the No More Cupcakes Rule, but think I have said enough. (And parents who wish to bring up the peanut allergy - please don't. I acknowledge that it is a concern, but don't remember having the the epidemic number of peanut allergic children that we see today when I was a child)

Demetre, I am glad that things seem to be working out. I was not surprised by the content of your post, but disgusted nonetheless. I believe that socialization is a healthy and necessary part of education - in it's proper place. Never stop fighting the good fight for your kids.

reply to post by Redge777



Hi Redge: I thought you said Jefferson was a Deist, or did I misunderstand you? I Google'd it and actually no one was really sure. The Deists claimed him as such, and the Christians claimed him as a Christian. He was exposed to both religions and it is said he held multiple religious views. He used Deist terminology, but believed in Jesus' teachings.
Go figure.
But here's my question for you? Why can't kids learn religion at home or in Sunday school? Why do I have to have myself or my children exposed to teachings that I don't believe in? Shuldn't that be for the parents to decide and direct? Secularism really can't be called a religion, because there is no universal spiritual belief system in it. It does not address the spiritual.