Kids to be shown "An Inconvienient Truth" when being taught about Climate Change

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Is the use of a propaganda film on Climate Change really a good way to teach about the causes of Global Warming? It is a hot topic at the moment due to the many taxes that can be raised over cutting CO2, not to mention the scam that is Carbon Offsetting.

Where is this evidence that says Global Warming only occurred because of the Industrial Revolution and our cars? Let's forget about the last Ice Age shall we, and the period of warming that has been going on for the last 80,000 years or more!!

A few weeks ago, reports suggested that CO2 was the cause for the receding Arctic Ice Cap, yet last week, it was said that because of reduced ice surface, the sea is absorbing more energy which is warming the water and causing the ice to melt quicker (in that instance, no CO2 is required) - the latter to me seems far more plausible.

As for Al Gore - would you trust a Politician to teach your kids the truth?

[edit on 3-10-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

How do we know that this isnt a normal thing? Ever think that the earth goes through large periods of cooling and heating? Climate records only go back a century or so.

The new ruling is better that the situation until now - with pupils being shown the film as if everything in it was unequivocal fact

As for the evidence, try reading the IPCC AR4

There is a move a foot ( by socialist/ marxist liberals ) to bring the Brainwashing to our youth.
Here is the antidote:
The Great Global Warming Swindle

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Part 2

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This should be shown right after the Gorebal warming climate change propaganda.
Then let the kids make up their minds.

Originally posted by Essan
The new ruling is better that the situation until now - with pupils being shown the film as if everything in it was unequivocal fact

As for the evidence, try reading the IPCC AR4

The IPCC has been shown to be a political body. Not a scientific one.
Scientists have resigned from it due to the outright fraud perpetrated by them such as : Ignoring over two hundred peer reviewed studies showing inconclusive warming) in favor of one flawed study that 'shows' warming.
Using data sets that have been proven to be false from Hansen at Nasa.
Etc. etc.
Why?
To cut U.S. production back to the Stone Age under Kyoto type protocols.
How?
Another way:

Clinton, Obama Sign onto to Boxer’s $4,500 Climate Tax on American Families

Senate Environment & Public Works Chairman Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have proposed the “Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act” aimed at combating climate change. The proposed partisan bill (S.309) is supported by another 15 senators, including: Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY); Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL); Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-CT); Sen. Joseph R. Biden (D-DE); Sen. Daniel K.
Akaka (D-HI); Sen. Russell D. Feingold (D-WI); Sen. Daniel K. Inouye (D-HI); Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA); Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ); Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-VT); Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ); Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI); Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI); Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski (D-MD), and Sen. Benjamin L. Cardin (D-MD).

FACT: A new MIT study concludes that the Sanders-Boxer approach would impose a tax-equivalent of $366 billion annually, or more than $4,500 per family of four, by 2015. And the annual costs will grow after 2015.

web.mit.edu...

The Kyoto Protocol would have imposed an equivalent tax of over $300 billion a year, 10 times the size of the Clinton-Gore tax increase of 1993. In addition to the MIT study, a new Congressional Budget Office study released recently, details how a carbon cap-and-trade system would result in massive wealth redistribution from the poor and working class to wealthier Americans. [Read more on CBO study]

Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.), EPW Ranking Member, said today: “Carbon caps would artificially and needlessly raise the cost of energy the most on the people least able to afford it. It astounds me that any Senator could support such a proposal.”


Follow the Money.... YOUR MONEY....

Read the AR4

There are certainly flaws with it, not least the obsession with GHG emissions over an above other ways in which humans are affecting climate. But if you don;t read and understand it, how can you question it?

It's like criticising a book you've never read, a film you've never seen ....


As for this ruling - it came about because Gore's biased (and sometimes misleading) film was being shown in schools. This new ruling reduces the likelihood that children will be taught it as absolute fact.

Still, it's better than Durkin's even more seriously flawed docu

The fact that flawed ideas and "facts" are being presented at all is alarming. If the teacher of the class does not document every little detail that is inaccurate and say why it is inaccurate, kids will take the whole thing as fact - they don't know any better, and it comes down to a lottery as to how good the teacher is as to whether they get an accurate, unbiased view or not.

The fact that the IPCC is a government body means it carries no weight with me.

I don't deny that we're not slowly screwing up our planet with toxic waste etc.. but man-made CO2 being the cause of global warming?? Come on! I'm not stupid!!

Look at this for an example:

0.03% of the atmosphere in TOTAL, is CO2. that is the whole 9 yards - natural and man-made.

The UK for example (of the man-made component) accounts for 2%. 2% of 0.03%.

Of that tiny 2%, 6% is air transport, yet they're saying if air transport doubles in the next decade, the impact on the climate will push it over this 2°C warming they keep going on about (what is so significant about 2 degrees anyway???? The ice caps are already melting).

The total global output of CO2 is something like 5 Gigatons of CO2. The natural output of the earth in the same period was 760 Gigatons.

We're a small drop in a very big ocean, people. We've already got the surveillance society in the UK - now they're trying to hike taxes and fundamentally alter our way of life.

6% of 2% of 5/760th = why are we even discussing it? We're better off discussion Iran or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is a diversionary tactic, I'm sure. Whilst we're arguing this, we're NOT arguing that (and the surveillance society gets installed in our absence, too www.abovetopsecret.com... ).

[edit on 3-10-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

I was shown "An Inconvienient Truth" in Earth and Space Science in High School. I wasn't brainwashed by it. In fact the most that I took away from it seemed to be that there were a lot of points where instead of Al Gore talking about the world he would talk about himself or his family. I'm sure I could stop global warming or lower CO2 emmisions by utilizing my extensive knowledge of Al Gore's personal life...

I hardly think it matters. I was exposed to a lot of propagandistic and/or inaccurate information in school, and I turned out fine. As long as the kid is not intellectually lazy, everything will be alright. And if the kid is intellectually lazy, nothing can help her/him.

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
news.bbc.co.uk...

Is the use of a propaganda film on Climate Change really a good way to teach about the causes of Global Warming? It is a hot topic at the moment due to the many taxes that can be raised over cutting CO2, not to mention the scam that is Carbon Offsetting.

Where is this evidence that says Global Warming only occurred because of the Industrial Revolution and our cars? Let's forget about the last Ice Age shall we, and the period of warming that has been going on for the last 80,000 years or more!!

A few weeks ago, reports suggested that CO2 was the cause for the receding Arctic Ice Cap, yet last week, it was said that because of reduced ice surface, the sea is absorbing more energy which is warming the water and causing the ice to melt quicker (in that instance, no CO2 is required) - the latter to me seems far more plausible.

As for Al Gore - would you trust a Politician to teach your kids the truth?

[edit on 3-10-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

Climate change IS real, and human activity IS the cause. Only people who don't really understand the science, or those with a hidden agenda would dispute this. Period. So yes, I think it's great that they are showing kids Gore's movie. Why the hell not? They have a right to know

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Apparently you haven't read the "whole solar system is warming" thread.

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QUOTE: 'The fact that flawed ideas and "facts" are being presented at all is alarming. If the teacher of the class does not document every little detail that is inaccurate and say why it is inaccurate, kids will take the whole thing as fact - they don't know any better, and it comes down to a lottery as to how good the teacher is as to whether they get an accurate, unbiased view or not. '

Well, in that case, according to your theory at least, that should spell the end of religious education once and for all then..

J.

[edit on 3-10-2007 by jimbo999]

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My kids, age 7 and 9, became very scared about global warming. They thought that the world was going to be destroyed and they would die. We had to reassure them that global warming is a lot of hot air by folks that have an agenda. There is not proof that global warming exists, in my opinion.

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Climate change IS real, and human activity IS the cause. Only people who don't really understand the science, or those with a hidden agenda would dispute this. Period.

I suggest you look back through history a little further than the Industrial Revolution.

You agree that at one time, the Earth was subject to an Ice Age, yes? And that physical evidence of such exists, yes? So - if humans (and by that, they mean our cars, our houses, anything that consumes electricity etc) caused Global Warming, how then do you explain the warming of the planet since the last Ice Age, which exactly pre-dates all the the above "causes" of global warming? I'd be really interested in how you would explain that little phenomena.

[edit on 7-10-2007 by mirageofdeceit]