Originally posted by zoso28
you only need to know that soldiers fought and died so that you can express the opinion that you just did. as a veteran i will only say "your welcome". feel free to express yourself any way you like

Are the Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting for my freedoms here at home in America? If they were not there would I lose my freedoms? If so, how?

Would the Iraqis dip the oars in the water and row the Islamic Aircraft carrier all the way to America?

Would they hoist sail on the Islamic Battleships?

Unlike the Islamic Submarine force, the Islamic Airforce Pilots don't have to hold their breath all the time to fly the Islamic Stealth Bombers. But if they stop flapping, even for a minute, they will go spinning wildly out of control, crash and burn.

Then, of course, you have the Islamic ICBM, but everyone knows you can't peddle an Intercontinental Bicycular Missile across oceans.

So please, explain how my freedoms are being protected by these occupations? All I see is greater threats from enraging the populations.

We were a whole lot safer, richer, and more loved around the world before the Wars of Aggression launched from behind thinly veiled propaganda.

[edit on 3-10-2007 by Malichai]

Originally posted by jedimiller
We used to need the military to protect us. now, the military is pretty much useless. we don't need one anymore. when will Americans realize this? We have to bring those troops home and do the following.


1. put them to work in factories. to work. actual work, maybe open up 30 FORD manufacturing plants and put the soldiers to work. make good use of them.

2. Dissolve the military. Stop all Iraq involvement.

3. Arm the people. If there ever is a war, then we would all arm ourselves and go fight.


Done.

good lord, im speechless. this entire thread just SCREAMS troll-bait. I will refrain from saying anything else, other than the US military is not evil, and deserves respect.

Just like, all Americans aren't evil, therefore to just disrespect all Americans because of one that you don't like, well that's pretty much the same type of ignorance that racism is based on.

OK folks, let's post with decorum please.

Originally posted by piacenza
I will probably be flamed for this topic, but I need to ask anyway: why in hell do we have to respect, cheer, and cry for the lowest level of human beings on earth? You cry for nothing more and nothing less than a simple baby killer or a rapist. During history before the Media propaganda soldiers were basically recruited with force and where considered the lowest level of human beings. Nowadays they volunteer to defend imaginary borders that some stupid people created without real reason except to divide…

When a human being accepts blindly orders from someone that is exactly the same as he is, I can safely say he is simply stupid, why should I feel pity for him?

You did more damage to yourself in that statement then you could ever do to the troops. I hope you feel like a retard because you sure look like one.

One thing I would like to add. I will never expect the populace to accept or understand the military presence in any foriegn country, but before you pass judgement on any soldier please take a look closer to home. We do serve here as well, you may know us as National Guard. We serve in relief efforts after natural disasters. We are citizen soldiers who are willing to be called in the middle of our lives with our loved ones to aid others in time of need. We also make up a huge percentage of deployed soldiers, mostly not by choice, but we are there. Say what you like about us, but know that if you and your state need us, we'll be there.

Why are so many people bringing up Iraq and Afghanistan?

The question you should be asking yourself is, would you still feel the same way about the military if we were not in Iraq or Afghanistan?

OK I got warned for my comments and lost 500 points for what I said. In the OP's origial post does he/she not refer to soldiers as rapists and baby killers? Was there a warning there?

I understand that most people on ATS seem to be against the US, especially the military portion, but please. Calling our servicemen rapist and baby killers....thats just not right.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Why are so many people bringing up Iraq and Afghanistan?

The question you should be asking yourself is, would you still feel the same way about the military if we were not in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Thats a very good point.

and someone else pointed out Katrina help and many other things.

Thank you for calling my two deceased Uncles and deceased Grandpa who I never met before since he died before I was born "low human beings".

I much appreciate it.

Oh, it's ok for the OP to post that the military is a bunch of baby killers but not ok for me to post that I think he's a leftist with a military hating agenda?

Hypocrite much? This is typical of some of you people. There is a post insulting an entire group of people and you say nothing about it.....probably because you agree with it. Someone posts a reply stating the motivations of the OP and throwing an insult back his way and you all get up in arms over it. Why don't you complain about the original posts insults to honorable people and not my insult to the lowest form of human life...the hypocrite?

Yeah, and just for the record I don't condone the "rapist and babykiller" accusations. That being said, long drawn out wars have a devastating effect on the human psyche. Little Johnny might not have been one when he left, but he sure as hell could become one somewhere along the way. That's the governments fault, not the fault of people who don't respect or support the soldiers.

Peace

[edit on 3-10-2007 by Dr Love]