Burma: Thousands dead in massacre of the monks dumped in the jungle

Burma: Thousands dead in massacre of the monks dumped in the jungle

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What a terrible tragedy. Although not much in the way of news has leaked out, it seems as though the revolution has been put down. I don't know much about the country of the peoples or their situation, but my heart goes out to them anyway. What courage it must have took to stand up to a ruthless government. Hopefully their deaths were not in vein and this will serve to wake up the rest of the world. Who knows, maybe the UN will act on its role as "peace keeper" for once...

www.dailymail.co.uk
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I had a feeling there would end up being a bad followup to the "Monks being sent away" thread.

Can these leaders in this country not fathom that they are under a microscope right now? It saddens me to hear this. Although we have no confirmation of this story...yet. I am fearful of the true numbers of dead that will come out of this tragedy.

The UN lately has been sitting on its rear.. last year when hezbollah was popping off rockets at Israel; UN troops where already stationed there to keep the peace.. Well they stayed stationed and didn't so much as strap a boot on.

As much as I Would love to see intervention...My opinion of the UN is too low to believe in them coming to the rescue.

Honor and peace to the dead monks...

Keep in mind that the profit minded power wielders have their dirty fingers in this mess. Big Oil and others do not care at all about democracy, and it suits them just fine if the Junta kills off the trouble makers.

The UN, as usual, will do noting other than talk, and the same can be said for the rest of the world. Did anyone do anything when they were killing monks in Tibet? China is the major player in Myanmar and their record on democracy is as clear as Tieneman Square. Bush is too busy being the fool on the hill and the EU will follow suit with nothing more than lip service.

The ONLY way that there will be a positive outcome, is if the citizens of the world shout out in outrage and make this a big public outcry around the globe. The world leaders wont do anything unless we all make it such a big deal that they can not ignore it. Have you written your government representative yet about the tragedy in Burma?

Terrible to see this.

Really is shocking. I hope the news of this is saturated all over the globe and something does get done.

Shame on the International community if they don't intervene now. If nothing is done, then the Monks have died in vain.

Well we were all waiting to find out what was going to happen to the monks. I guess we have it now. It is to bad. Even if the political changes were not to happen I had hoped it would not get violent. It is to bad that is exactly what has seemed to have happened.

reply to post by Terapin

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I agree completely Terapin.

The comments section at the end of the article also include this statement which I also back..

The Chinese government are supporting the military regime in Burma. We must make it clear to the Cinese government that we will not allow the illegal military regime to continue in Burma. We must boycott all chinese products and boycott the Olympic games. We must send a very strong message to the Chinese government in the only way we can and the only way they will take notice.

This is not shocking to me,

Many members have been documenting what occurred in Burma/Myanmar over the weekend, if you haven't seen the riot blog thread you need to check it out, it is a time capsule of the events, the atrocities, the fears, the hopes and the bravery these people are showing in the face of a armed military doing the will of the Junta.

Members from the region have translated blog & chat entries, provided dozens of links to photos, videos, news etc.

As Terapin stated, this is another set of actions where the response is not in relation to the atrocities committed, but is in relation to how would a reaction affect someone's wallet, oil/gas supplies, the bottom line.

As I wrote in another thread,

I am ashamed that our world leaders who always speak of genocide and how horrible it is....

Allow genocide to continue...

Doing nothing more than issuing papers and statements so history shows they were against it in principle...

In principle, they have done nothing.

No, because I highly doubt he will read my letter, if ever receive it in his own hand.

You think he gives a crap?

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I have never had faith in the UN, bunch of tools more than anything, or anyone with a brain. I'm not sure of the situation, or sure of what can be done, but SOMETHING should be done by the UN.

Oh... they are just waiting for pay day.

Don't beat me up on this but I sincerely believe that the above source of information is completely incorrect.

Upper estimates by foreign observers are around 30-50 dead and 1400 jailed.
Official figures are 13 dead I believe. Now this is nowhere near 1000s.
Can we confirm this?

I think, instead of members here lambasting the UN on it's inaction, they should look to see exactly what their own country is doing. Especially if your living in one of the 5 permanent member states on the UNSC.

The UN (I get sick of saying this...) is not an autonomous agency. It is governed by the "Big 5". If the Un does nothing, it is because of the inactions of the member states, especially the UK, the US, France, Russia and China.

Very sad, where are the worlds police now?

Oh I forgot, theres no oil there.

Wrong. Foreigners estimated much higher numbers. During the first days that was. Since more than a week has past since it begun, it could effectively be more than thousand.
BBC mentions 4000. Other sources also mention figures over 2000 being detained, Monks that is.
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Foreign sources also said that the number of deaths is also much higher. They spoke about 9 to 10 times official deathtoll, which was 10 during the first 3 days or so. That makes around hundred during the first 3 days alone.
I doubt foreigners saw everyting, so add a few to that. Then you get a much higher number during first days alone. Add to that, the recent reports coming out and you get indeed more than thousand. Do not forget that in some prisons, the Monks are not getting food. So basically dying. Which could increase the toll even more.


The source the Daily Mail is giving is a Local Army Leader, who refused to clear out 2 temples and kill the monks. If one leader gets such orders, you can bet there are others who received the same orders.

Also, reports where stating that monks have been taken to the jungle to be slaughtered. Seeing as a few dead bodies where seen floating in a river, it might actually be true. See the Monk video of a Monk floating in a river.
If they are only detained, how come this Monk is floating in a river which comes out of the jungle?

There are various reports about the Junta burning dead bodies. Some reports go as far as injured people being burned alive. To cover tracks.
I think we only will get to know the truth when the Junta is gone, and mass graves are discouvered. And lists of missing can be made.


About 4,000 monks have been detained in Yangon during the past week and will be moved to the far north of the country, the British Broadcasting Corp. reported yesterday, citing unidentified officials with a pro-junta militia.

[edit on 2-10-2007 by Drozla]

Wrong. There is oil. Why do you think Total is there.
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[edit on 2-10-2007 by Drozla]

Yes, I meant there no oil that they can get their grubby little hands on, the companies are already owned by the West, they have nothing to gain by going in.

The Toothless Tiger strikes again, that being the UN.

We need to disband the UN once and for all. It has been doing nothing for sooooo long its not funny. Enough of this "pussy-footing" around issues and calling for resolutions on sanctions and resolutions of protest and the like.

No questions, no warning, nothing. You get an incident like this that has occured against people protesting for freedom and democracy and human rights, getting massacred, the UN should send in troops, not peace keepers, ASAP.

Invade the nation, take out their leadership and support base, Charge them publicly infront of the worlds media and then execute them in the centre of the capital and allow Anh San Sue Chee (Spelling?) to take charge and run a care-taker democratic office until formal elections have been organised.

WE NEED ACTION, NOW, NOT WORDS.

And such action shall be a warning to any other regime around the world that opresses its peoples. Zimbabwe is another that is way overdue for an invasion of the right hand fist of democracy!

And let that be a warning to China too, incase they feel like another Tianamen sqaure fiasco.

Freedom and democracy through the fist of the UN, not the soft tongue and inaction that we see now, or the corrupt and illegal action of a 'particular' superpower that changes it's reasoning for illegal invasion depending on the polls back at home!

Besides , looking at the past and present , I agree some high figures might be exagerated, but it still will be more than what is seen by foreigners or mentioned by the Junta.

Here also some light shed on how they are. Ethnic cleansing is also something they seem to resort to. Source

Ah, my bad them, understood you wrong. Still. There are a lot of resources in Burma. I do think some deals would be possible if we actually went in.