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reply posted on 10-10-2007 @ 03:33 PM by ArMaP
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That is something that I was about to ask: before we can say that something is or is not a living organism we need a definition, only "armed" with a
good definition can we think of reaching a solution.
And, as far as I know, nobody has a good definition of "life", some people argue that even computer viruses can be considered life forms.
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reply posted on 11-10-2007 @ 06:31 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Keep in mind, Zorgon does not refute Johns claims. I rarely do, either. This is not the old "silence is consent", but more a case of what i
described above: He works on similarities, not differences. This allows for greater synergy.
LOL Thanks for the support Mr Furry...
Zorgon tries to document John's claims... I thought that was obvious by now 
Zorgon does not necessaryly belief eveyrthing John believes...
Zorgon has some wacky ideas of his own that never even crossed John's mind... like "CRITTERS"
As to the 'silence" it has been wonderful... perhaps I will give Chorlton another chance and remove the 'cloaking device" I tossed over him..
But not today I have work to do 
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reply posted on 11-10-2007 @ 07:03 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by ArMaP
And, as far as I know, nobody has a good definition of "life", some people argue that even computer viruses can be considered life forms.
Okay so what is your point? Beside humans always use the phrase "life as we know it..."
What does that mean? Simply that we only now whats on this rock, and even here we are still finding surprises. We have no basis to say what form lifew
might take out there...
I do however REALLY want to know where this "Critter" is from...
Oh yeah? Prove to me its a fake...
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reply posted on 11-10-2007 @ 08:00 PM by chickenfeet
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Originally posted by zorgon
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Oh yeah? Prove to me its a fake...
hey
were did you get a picture of my ex-wife
i must admit though
the blonde is not so bad 
sorry
a drunken joke 
but i would remember them teeth anywhere
look like tombstones
and the toe nails looked similar
chickenfeet 
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reply posted on 11-10-2007 @ 11:18 PM by andre18
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To me, they're artificially built scout organisms, that are sent through our atmosphere to analyse us, like probes, only organic, and these organism
like things, probably come from these huge craft seen in the tether vids.
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reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 03:00 AM by Chorlton
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Originally posted by zorgon
Zorgon tries to document John's claims... I thought that was obvious by now
You document, encourage and support most, if not all of Lears stories
Zorgon does not necessaryly belief eveyrthing John believes...
Zorgon like to bask in reflected glory then.
So tell us mere mortals, which of Lears outrageous and ridiculous claims you dont believe.
Zorgon has some wacky ideas of his own that never even crossed John's mind... like "CRITTERS"
Hey he doesnt have the monopoly on ridiculous ideas.
As to the 'silence" it has been wonderful... perhaps I will give Chorlton another chance and remove the 'cloaking device" I tossed over him..
No silence dear thing, were just letting you dig your hole a bit deeper.
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reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 03:29 AM by mikesingh
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Originally posted by chickenfeet
Originally posted by zorgon
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hey
were did you get a picture of my ex-wife. I must admit though the blonde is not so bad
Oh, man! And she's standing with me!!  Darn! I must lock up my photo albums. Can't have guys snooping around and publishing my pics with
pretty women on the net without royalty! I'm suing zorgon for a hundred thousands bucks!!
Cheers!
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reply posted on 14-10-2007 @ 05:24 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by ArMaP
That is something that I was about to ask: before we can say that something is or is not a living organism we need a definition,
Find me a good definition of an Amoeba then we can go from there...
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reply posted on 15-10-2007 @ 02:18 AM by mikesingh
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Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by ArMaP
That is something that I was about to ask: before we can say that something is or is not a living organism we need a definition,
Find me a good definition of an Amoeba then we can go from there...
At NASA's Astrobiology Institute in California, which studies extreme life here and the possibility of it elsewhere, it's far easier to say what
life isn't, said institute director Carl Pilcher.
"Right now we may not have the base of knowledge necessary to answer the question, but there are ways we are proceeding," he said.
Last month, the National Academy of Sciences issued a "weird life" report cautioning NASA not to be so focused on water. It told the space agency
that "as the search for life in the solar system expands, it is important to know what exactly to search for."
That same report urged NASA to avoid being "fixated on carbon" when it looks for life even though carbon is often called the backbone of life on
Earth.
But if carbon isn't a requirement for life, how about silicon? In other words, what about machines?
www.usatoday.com...
The bottom line is that we don't know, fixated as we are to not think 'out-of-the-box'. All theories are based on what should be, based on
current scientific 'principles', and not what can be.
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reply posted on 15-10-2007 @ 03:12 AM by zorgon
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Originally posted by mikesingh
That same report urged NASA to avoid being "fixated on carbon" when it looks for life even though carbon is often called the backbone of life on
Earth.
But if carbon isn't a requirement for life, how about silicon?
One thing that always got me about sci fi 'life based on silicon' is that they have to be rock creatures... yet we have silicone rubber which is
soft and pliable and probably 'enhanced' your girlfriend And we have carbon, which when in crystal form is diamond, hardest 'rock' known to
man...
So what's up with all the silicon rock creatures?
And we need to chip in and get Mike some tooth paste... those teeth are NASTY all 200 of them
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reply posted on 15-10-2007 @ 12:04 PM by mikesingh
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Originally posted by zorgon
And we need to chip in and get Mike some tooth paste... those teeth are NASTY all 200 of them
Heck! I'm already brushing thrice a day since the past six months!! You should've seen them before I bought the tooth brush kit from that rummage
sale! ..... Ok, Ok, I get the point. I'm headin' for that beauty parlor right now! Gotta clean up my hide too! And them hair on my nostrils!
Yaaargggghhhhh... 
Cheers!
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reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 03:22 AM by mikesingh
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And there's more.....
Alien Life Created From Space Dust?
Now, an international team has discovered that under the right conditions, particles of inorganic dust can become organised into helical
structures. These structures can then interact with each other in ways that are usually associated with organic compounds and life itself.
V.N. Tsytovich of the General Physics Institute, Russian Academy of Science, in Moscow, working with colleagues there and at the Max-Planck Institute
for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany and the University of Sydney, Australia, has studied the behaviour of complex mixtures of inorganic
materials in a plasma. Plasma is essentially the fourth state of matter beyond solid, liquid and gas, in which electrons are torn from atoms leaving
behind a miasma of charged particles.
Until now, physicists assumed that there could be little organisation in such a cloud of particles. However, Tsytovich and his colleagues
demonstrated, using a computer model of molecular dynamics, that particles in a plasma can undergo self-organization as electronic charges become
separated and the plasma becomes polarized. This effect results in microscopic strands of solid particles that twist into corkscrew shapes, or helical
structures. These helical strands are themselves electronically charged and are attracted to each other.
ufo.whipnet.org...
So are we getting nearer the truth - of the possibility of strange creatures in space?
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reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 05:36 AM by squiz
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Whoa! thanks Mike, I searched at the source, the IoP site for "V.N." "Tsytovich" and found a stack of related papers. I tried to post a link to
the search but it didn't work. So here's the homepage. IoP
I'll be busy for weeks now, great find. It's been estimated the universe is 99.999% plasma, hehe a self organizing universe? Makes gravity seem a
little insignificant IMO.
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This should work.
www.iop.org...
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reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 05:49 AM by mikesingh
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Originally posted by squiz
Whoa! thanks Mike, I searched at the source, the IoP site for "V.N." "Tsytovich" and found a stack of related papers. I tried to post a link to
the search but it didn't work. So here's the homepage. IoP
Thanks for digging that up squiz! 
It's been estimated the universe is 99.999% plasma, hehe a self organizing universe?
A living universe? Wow!! That concept is mindblowing!! 
Makes gravity seem a little insignificant IMO.
Not only gravity, but us too!! What do we know? Next to nix!
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reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 06:53 AM by squiz
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Originally posted by mikesingh
A living universe? Wow!! That concept is mindblowing!!
That it is, it may be hard to fully accept but I am coming around to the idea.
You might enjoy this.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
It was actually a personal crop circle theory that led me to a string of what I'd call discoveries, nothing new really, just discoveries of other
peoples discoveries that fit with the theory, but it has changed my entire view of the universe.
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reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 03:15 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by mikesingh
This effect results in microscopic strands of solid particles that twist into corkscrew shapes, or helical structures. These helical strands are
themselves electronically charged and are attracted to each other. [/quote
CRITTER DNA
Nice find mike I will run this by the boys in the plasma department
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reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 03:34 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by squiz
I'll be busy for weeks now, great find. It's been estimated the universe is 99.999% plasma, hehe a self organizing universe? Makes gravity seem a
little insignificant IMO.
And whats that make us? One of those specks of organized dust... that's what
"Dust to dust... ashes to ashes..."
"Adam was created from the dust of the Earth..."
HEHEHEHE... I guess we really aren't all that important huh?
Good thing that after ascension WE become beings of light and plasma
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reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 09:22 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
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Or perhaps we are finally getting some proof that life is the rule, not the exception.
Earthbound creatures just happen to be a little more delicate that our spacebound universal cohabitants.
One then has to wonder about the "life" of the heavenly bodies. How do you ascribe sentiency to that which you do not understand?
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reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 09:28 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
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Interesting. I have read forums for quite a few years and have not found anyone else who would say such a thing.
Not too many people realize the importants of plasma and electricity, and the inferiority of gravity as the driving force of the universe.
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reply posted on 20-10-2007 @ 02:13 PM by cosmicstorm
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that first photo is not in space, ive seen it on numerous ufo websites, its taken by the sea, and it looks just like an odd species of cricket, i
lived on the beach in spain and there were many unusual looking insects
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