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reply posted on 2-10-2007 @ 03:07 PM by Redge777

reply to post by greeneyedleo

I am Christian, I went to cerimonies, I didn't go back. But I must say this was a different fraternal organization that uses the same (in my later learnings) structure for cerimonies.

Simple things like reason over spiritual matters, and swearing oaths of violence, calling a man a worship master(correct me their Masons I'm tired)

Also if they are occult, or even if they believe they are secretive and deserve to be, then they justify lieing. So you wont get the truth ever being that you are female. Your husband will get advantages I would guess by joining, but they are material, and that I also think is how greed is used for wrongful control. However there are many good people there, but people who issolate themselfs from other parts of society allow themselfs to not face all of the issues of for example poverty of the other society.

Search Internet for Bohemian Grove if you want to see a dandy secret society ritual. But Masons say that is not them, but they would say that if it was part of a secret anyways.

I am real harsh on them, I see it as bad, that is my take.

Here is a discussion thread from a Mason and me on secrecy, I think it turned out well.
www.abovetopsecret.com... I think secrecy discussion starts on page 2

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reply posted on 2-10-2007 @ 03:14 PM by corsig

Your a smart women Greeneyedleo. You are not forming your opinions on what others have said but on your won research.

Your husband must be a good man if you married him so you should trust that he wouldn't get himself involved with anything bad.

Ask us any questions and I am sure you will see there is nothing evil or bad.

Cory

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
All I know is this whole "Mason" subject confuses the heck out of me.

I grew up in a very religious (Christian) home with my father being a pastor. My parents are products of the 60's and 70's religious movement - if anyone can understand that.

I was raised to believe that the Masons were a type of Cult. That they participated in occult ceremonies etc. I mean, even the research I have done in my life, has made me feel this way - w/ the occult symbols and all.

Well, my husband is in the military and even has a big "eye of horus" tattooed and has a couple of times told me he thought about joining the Masons in the past, as its very big in the military and a tight nit group. I had the obvious reaction of "Uh, I dont think so" We are both Christians, but we dont go to church or anything...but I still have a strong faith in God. Over time I have modified some of my beliefs that are now diff then some things I was raised to believe.

But my point is. Im trying to do as much research as I can. I just dont know if my husband joining is a good thing or a bad thing. I teeter on the fence. He would never do anything to make me feel uncomfortable (he is just great like that).....but I dont know.

Im sure if all the stories my father and the church told me were true, I would never know anyways, as who would admit it. However, I also dont know if it was all hogwash. LOL I am firm in my faith, but im also open to listening to others and forming my own opinions on various things.

Im really just confused on it all. I would hate for my husband to miss out on something only because of my fears and possible false fears.

Anyways, im still trying to learn - but there is just so much information. I appreciate all these posts on the matter - the pros and cons!

reply posted on 2-10-2007 @ 03:16 PM by corsig

reply to post by Redge777

You are 100% entitles to your opinion. I just ask that you look at it with open eyes and form your opinions on what you find not what you hear.

Cory

reply posted on 2-10-2007 @ 03:35 PM by scientist

reply to post by Redge777

redge, please don't take this as a personal attack or anything close to it - however every single one of your posts regarding masonry are just so fabricated on false assumptions and misinformation, I would argue that you are doing far more "lying" than these masons you seem to oppose so much.

Masons do not need to lie about anything, they just tell you it's none of your business. Again, it's crazy how every single group out there (friends, families, companies, bands, armies, etc.) all have secrets - the masons just ADMIT IT! For some reason they are hated even moreso for being honest! Maybe masons would have been better off from the beginning telling everyone "no secrets, nothing to see here..."

Also, your linking of Bohemian Grove to masons not only shows your ignorance to the topic, but also shocks a lack of effort in even the most trivial google search / research.

reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 07:01 AM by RedPill

Much of this argument hinges on the true meaning of symbols. People talk about symbols as if they have one meaning accepted by all.

The pentagram for example:

The five points of the pentagram have been interpreted as representing the five wounds of Christ (2 wrist, 2 ankle and 1 side).

The Roman Emperor Constantine used the pentagram in his seal and amulet.

It has been referred to as the Star of Bethlehem.

It was used to symbolize the star which allegedly led three Zoroastrian astrologers to the baby Jesus; it was called the Three Kings' star.

The English warrior Sir Gawain, a nephew of King Arthur, adopted the pentagram as his personal symbol and placed it on his shield. It appeared in gold on a red background. The five points symbolized "the five knightly virtues - generosity, courtesy, chastity, chivalry and piety."

Tarot cards originally had a suit of coins or discs. These were changed in the 19th century to pentacles when the Tarot became associated with the Kabbalah. They eventually became the suit of diamonds in modern playing cards.

It has been widely used by past Christians as a protective amulet.

During the burning times when the Christian church burned alive or hung hundreds of thousands of innocent people, the meaning of the pentagram changed. It began to symbolize a goat's head or the devil in the form of Baphomet. "The folk-symbol of security - for the first time in history - was equated with evil and was called the Witch's Foot."

Source

Nowadays we use the star on policemen, flags and Christmas trees.
Wanna-be Satan worshipers use it because they saw 1970s Hollywood movies depicting that.

The all-seeing-eye:

The Information Awareness Office clearly used the eye to indicate themselves as seeing all things. This profound arrogance angered enough people that they changed it. Google image

In its current form, the symbol first appeared in the west during the 17th & 18th centuries, but representations of an all-seeing eye can be traced back to Egyptian mythology and the Eye of Horus. 17th-century depictions of the Eye of Providence sometimes show it surrounded by clouds. The later addition of an enclosing triangle is usually seen as a more explicit trinitarian reference to the God of Christianity.

Source

As the this symbol is seen in masonic art from time to time it is noteworthy that to a Mason this represents the eye of God.

My point is that you can't reference a symbol then judge other people by your definition of that symbol. There is no true meaning of a symbol. each culture, community and person ascribes different meanings to symbols.

If I ascribe an evil meaning to the Christian cross, I cannot by this action corrupt all other users of this symbol.

reply posted on 29-10-2007 @ 02:04 AM by jimbo3

well..very interesting for sure.i'm a 38 year old man that grew up in a masonic family,we are lutheran,my dad is a past master,my sister went through job's daughters,my mom,a beauciant.every thursday night when we went to the lodge,NOTHING creepy ever happened,in fact after they conducted there buisness it was all fun.every one need's to know that for year's this is how we networked.the mason's built this country and you should all be gratefull for the existance of such a fine org.yes.they do exclude,should they?..yes.if it's not broke don't fix it.i truly appreciate what they have done for this country,that they have formed.

reply posted on 29-10-2007 @ 02:58 AM by DeadFlagBlues

The case against freemasonry gets more and more idiotic everytime I read up on it. Like the poster above, I'm glad we had this institution in our nation. Our country would be worse off without it.

reply posted on 29-10-2007 @ 07:03 AM by corsig

Holy crap Batman.

2 Pro Masonic posts in a row. I never thought I would see the day.

reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 10:02 AM by KSigMason

Yes, lets vandalize graves. This will just piss the people off.

reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 11:34 PM by truthandjustice

reply to post by greeneyedleo

In Complete Honesty, No single Freemason can speak for Freemasonry.

With that said, I can speak for myself. I am not a christian, but there are men in freemasonry who are very loyal and believe deeply in Christianity. I do not. In freemasonry we can be brothers to each other.
I personally study and practice magic, which some christians consider evil. There are Freemasonic writers who write about the occult. I read some of these authors. But there are plenty of Freemasons who do not read such writers, and do not practice magic, do not study the occult, and simply enjoy performing the ritual in the lodge, and being around other good men.

Freemasonry is a fraternity that is formed by men who agree to live an upright life, and to take care of the people around him. Freemasonry, in my opinion, inculcates living our lives according to the Golden Rule and then some.

Freemasonry does not advocate a single religious belief, but we do pray to the G-d of the universe.

Freemasonry does not have anything to do with worshipping the devil, nor advocating performing evil upon anyone.

As in all things, one gets what one puts into it.

I believe that Freemasonry will not go against Christianity. But, considering your families stance, I would consider not making a big todo about it. I am not saying keep it on the down-low, but maybe not mention it.

There are many lies that the Modern Anti-Masons have written about us. I could write 80 which are commonly thrown about by our self-chosen enemies. I wonder how many are arms dealers and members of the American Milita Movement, Neo-Nazis, ectetera.

Good Luck

reply posted on 19-1-2012 @ 06:19 PM by EddieBee

Originally posted by corsig
So this dude promotes vandalism to someone's tombstone or private property and it's considered cool or funny.

How hypocritical of these so called "people of God", I'm sure Jesus is very proud of you and your accomplishments done in his name and honor.

God forbid a statue of of Mary or a cross is smashed with a hammer put on video and shown on you tube.

What ever.

The freemasons wrote that book, nice try on trying to trick the non-masons that the bible is the word of god, or any other religious book they wrote!

reply posted on 19-1-2012 @ 06:57 PM by KSigMason

reply to post by EddieBee

You do love posting your delusions don't you?

reply posted on 23-1-2012 @ 04:53 AM by EddieBee

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by EddieBee

You do love posting your delusions don't you?

Religion being a means to control? Shills like you undermining people like me? Yeah I must be suffering from delusions! Ha.

reply posted on 23-1-2012 @ 10:23 AM by KSigMason

reply to post by EddieBee

You have no proof of any of your assertions. You just post a bunch of personal rants without any evidence.

reply posted on 23-1-2012 @ 05:24 PM by network dude

Originally posted by EddieBee

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by EddieBee

You do love posting your delusions don't you?

Religion being a means to control? Shills like you undermining people like me? Yeah I must be suffering from delusions! Ha.

Wow, if a book is all it takes to undermine you, your foundation needs some work.

I know you already know everything, so ignore the rest of this. It's for the other readers.

The Bible is a key symbol in Masonic workings. It along with other religious books is at the center of every open regular masonic lodge. It is meant to be used as a rule and guide of faith. That is not to say that every mason must believe it's 100% the word of God and there is no room for interpretation. The cool thing about Freemasonry is we don't tell you what to think, what to learn, what to study, or what to believe, we only provide tools to learn with. The Bible being one of them. As far as I am concerned, even it it was written by a guy named Bob while sitting on the crapper, it's still a good guide on how to live a good life. (for the most part) (IMHO)

So, Eddie, one day when you decide to start with an empty vessel with which to fill full of knowledge, please let any of us know and we would be happy to tell you almost everything we know. But sadly, as of right now, your vessel is full of something other than knowledge. And it has a slight odor.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 02:59 PM by EddieBee

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by EddieBee

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by EddieBee

You do love posting your delusions don't you?

Religion being a means to control? Shills like you undermining people like me? Yeah I must be suffering from delusions! Ha.

Wow, if a book is all it takes to undermine you, your foundation needs some work.

I know you already know everything, so ignore the rest of this. It's for the other readers.

The Bible is a key symbol in Masonic workings. It along with other religious books is at the center of every open regular masonic lodge. It is meant to be used as a rule and guide of faith. That is not to say that every mason must believe it's 100% the word of God and there is no room for interpretation. The cool thing about Freemasonry is we don't tell you what to think, what to learn, what to study, or what to believe, we only provide tools to learn with. The Bible being one of them. As far as I am concerned, even it it was written by a guy named Bob while sitting on the crapper, it's still a good guide on how to live a good life. (for the most part) (IMHO)

So, Eddie, one day when you decide to start with an empty vessel with which to fill full of knowledge, please let any of us know and we would be happy to tell you almost everything we know. But sadly, as of right now, your vessel is full of something other than knowledge. And it has a slight odor.

First off, remember that you said I know everything. Btw the freemasons dont know everything either. Look, I dont know everything you guys do but I know enough not to join. I worked with the brotherhood, I know how they roll. Just remember you guys werent always freemasons either. You remember all the threat and duress that you now enforce as being apart of it. I just wish the good people in freemasonry would wake up to whats goin on behind their back.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 03:37 PM by KSigMason

reply to post by EddieBee

I may not know everything, but I know enough of my own Fraternity.

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 04:04 PM by network dude

Originally posted by EddieBee

First off, remember that you said I know everything. Btw the freemasons dont know everything either. Look, I dont know everything you guys do but I know enough not to join.

You are correct. We don't know everything. If you ever meet anyone who tells you they do, run the other way. Fast. But one thing I do know is the information you think you have is wrong. Freemasonry may not be for you, but not for the reasons you keep saying. Do me one favor. Look at the past history of some of the people on this site who used to be anti-masons and joined to find the truth. If you cannot find them, I can point a few out.

I worked with the brotherhood, I know how they roll. Just remember you guys werent always freemasons either. You remember all the threat and duress that you now enforce as being apart of it. I just wish the good people in freemasonry would wake up to whats goin on behind their back.

NO, we always were not Freemasons, but we are now, and we know what it's about. That much I can be sure of.

reply posted on 27-1-2012 @ 01:41 AM by EddieBee

reply to post by network dude

Look, im not here for you guys ok? You're beating a dead horse brosive. Im here for my fellow brothers of life, not yall!

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