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Originally posted by miriam0566
1. The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible. It is a technical
Originally posted by Moosemose
theological word coined in the fourth century A.D. to describe a theological
Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by oliveoil
I gave you a star, not because of your false trinity explanation, but because you explained the falseness of Jesus being "created" by God the Father to miriam. Two little pieces of scripture with the words "beginning" or "firstborn" are not proof enough for me, especially since the greek words used bury the argument and further prove the pre-creation existence of Jesus, who was the Word of God and one of two in the "Elohim" or "family of God", not trinity.
Originally posted by Locoman8
Two little pieces of scripture with the words "beginning" or "firstborn" are not proof enough for me, especially since the greek words used bury the argument and further prove the pre-creation existence of Jesus, who was the Word of God and one of two in the "Elohim" or "family of God", not trinity.
Originally posted by oliveoil
I could have done that by simply showing her many,many verses indicating that God the father is deity,Jesus is deity,and the Holy Ghost is deity.
1 John 5:7 confirms this.
What I was trying to do was show Miriam that the only two scriptures that she could possibly use in her defence against the Trinity ( Col 1:15 Rev 21:6)
Were very weak.
These two verses imply that Jesus was not created,
therefore making him a deity, equal to YHWH ETERNAL !!
and since there can only be one true god , hence the word Trinity.
im sorry, how does this scripture show the trinity?:
oh right, your using the scripture that was added after the 8th century:
first, i wasnt using these verses to disprove the trinity. they are verses that show that jesus was created.:
how you think they imply that he wasnt is an amazing leap of logic.:
you want to talk about the trinity and how jesus is equal to god?:
ok, i think its safe to say that you agree with what the jews were accusing him. you think jesus is equal to god. if you are right, jesus would confirm this no?:
jesus doesnt confirm it. if fact he says the opposite. he says that he does what he sees the father doing, not what he wills.:
so the father teaches the son. "shows" him. if jesus was GOD and thereby equal to him, why would GOD need to show anything to him? they would be the same person!:
how can jesusGODthing judge no man and yet commit to himself the job of judging all?:
clearly talking about 2 people. how could god "send" himself?:
"given to the son", "given him:
God the father is not a person, God the son is
how can jesus "seek not" his own will, but the "will of the father" if they are the same person?!?!?!
they cant! that because jesus is not claiming to be GOD.:
here is the point:
the bible says to let every matter be settled by the testimony of 2 or more witnesses. jesus is saying that his testimony is not enough.:
he refers to GOD as a witness.:
so jesus cannot use his own testimony, but can use his father's:
jesus then uses the scriptures as his second witness.:
jesus himself, when given the allegation of equality to god refutes the claim. he then refers to his father as a separate witness, something that is IMPOSSIBLE if he was in fact god.:
try, please i beg you, try to explain this chapter away. i would love to see how the trinity could possible fit into any of this chapter:
Originally posted by LDragonFire
This too me is incorrect and a direct violation of the first commandment.
This is a direct violation of the first commandment. A contradiction.
Originally posted by fmcanarney
reply to post by Locoman8
Mixing politics and religion will confuse yourself even more.
God is present in three components.
God the Father.
God the Son, Word.
God the Holy Spirit.
Three persons in one being.
It is a mystery which we with finite minds cannot and will not comprehend.
To simplify it is to deny the mystery, which takes faith to believe.
The word incarnate is also a mystery, faith again comes in to play.
[edit on 14-12-2009 by fmcanarney]