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posted on Apr, 2 2008 @ 06:00 PM
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im glad you mentioned that. so many use that scripture to prove the trinity, the funny thing is, even if jesus said that literally, it´s still only 2




posted on Apr, 2 2008 @ 06:20 PM
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There just isn't sufficient evidence to prove that doctrine. It is credulity.

When you have one or two verses that would seem to support the trinity but then have a dozen or more that lean to a more common sense definition, then what is the most logical way to interpret something?

Armageddon is mentioned only once in the Bible in Rev.16:16 as Har-Magedon (Hebrew). But at least it is mentioned! As big as the trinity is - you would think that it would be mentioned at least once, somewhere in the Bible?



posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
1. You shall have no other gods before Me


This was infact the reason Jesus was crucified. Blasphemy. You find the parallell in Numbers: 25:4 "And the Lord said to Moses, Take all the chiefs of the people and hang them in the sun before the Lord, that the fierce anger of the Lord may turn away from Israel."

An alternate translation of this verse brings light to what "hang them in the sun" means here. It is a parallell to the crucifiction:

25:4 "And the Lord said to Moses, Take all the chiefs of the people and impale/crucify them in the sun before the Lord, that the fierce anger of the Lord may turn away from Israel."

Why do the translators avoid including this important detail in their translations. The Hebrew text clearly states that they should be executed slowly on a pole or cross in the sun.

In my studies of the life and teachings of Jesus I have come to that he saw a constellation he called the Father where Draco/the Dragon is today. Draco was the constellation of Ba'al contrary to what the Jews believed. When you lift your head up to heaven at night, what do you see? I see the heavens opened and I see God in all splendor, sitting on his throne in the highest of heaven with the Son of Man at his right hand side... The Ba'al worshipper would see the Dragon with the Great Bear to his right...



posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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There is no "contradictions" in the original texts, only in the translations of man. Study the bible and the original texts and find the undoctored truth.


Except so many of the original texts were left out! You cannot get the whole picture if the Bible translators left out so many books. And even then, words were added and taken away by the translators. The Bible is by no means in its entirety.



posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 06:19 PM
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"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (1 John 5:8, KJV)


And other translations say; "and all three of them agree." or..."all three are in agreement."

You have to pay attention to what Bible you use when making interpretations. The King James Bible is a version! It is not a translation. As a matter of fact it is known to have thousands of mistakes and mistranslated verses. Remember: it was King James who had his Bible written to unite Church and State, something that had plagued Queen Elizabeth before him.

Also, no where does it say that the three were one in a physical sense, that one parted from the other in a literal way. Jesus also said that; "my father is greater than I am." When reasoning on a subject you need to take the whole context in, to come to an accurate conclusion. It all works together if you view it as; three who are in union with each other, or a united force. If you reason your way then other scriptures do not make sense, and one would have to exaggerate, and would have to add to the scriptures in order to make it work (and we know that makes it a sin in the Christian church).



posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 06:30 PM
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"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"


Go therefore, and teach all the world in the name of Peter Johnson. Maggie Johnson and Michael Johnson. You do not pluralize "name" in this sense! Because they all have the same last name. Otherwise, you would say follow in the examples of; Cohn, Johnson and Andrews.

Or go baptizing them in the name of the Corinthian Congregation! Only a foolish one would think that the congregation is made up of only one!

Do you get the point? This is why it has always been so easy to refute doctrines taught by religions that really do not make any sense.

I realize it challenges you, but just reason on it and perhaps you can see it from a more natural viewpoint.



posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by MatrixProphet
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There just isn't sufficient evidence to prove that doctrine. It is credulity.

When you have one or two verses that would seem to support the trinity but then have a dozen or more that lean to a more common sense definition, then what is the most logical way to interpret something?

Armageddon is mentioned only once in the Bible in Rev.16:16 as Har-Magedon (Hebrew). But at least it is mentioned! As big as the trinity is - you would think that it would be mentioned at least once, somewhere in the Bible?



Hello

whilst the word trinity does nota ppear, the "doctrine" is sound that is 3 states of one God

John 1:1-4

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

cross reference the word of God in

Rev 19:13

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

okay so we have so far The word (Jesus the Christ) being the creator of all things

Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

So God is the creator ergo Christ is God

Acts 5:3-5

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

shows that the holy spirit is equated as God

also see

1 Corinthians 12:11

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.


here it shows that the spirit gives to whom he will. Yet we know that all things are at the will of God.

the holy spirit took part in creation

Psalms 104:20

Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

Genesis 1:2

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Isaiah 40

shows us that the holy spirit was NOT taught by anyone

Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him? 14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge,

job 21:22

Shall any teach God knowledge? seeing he judgeth those that are high

this is just a minute amount of evidence.

all the best

david





[edit on 4/4/2008 by drevill]



posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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There is only one God. The trinity comes from Sumer. Anu was the primary god of heaven, the "Father" and "King of the Gods". Enlil was the "wind-god", the God of the Earth and a creator and Enki was the god of waters and "Lord of Wisdom".

The Father on top as King of Heaven. Enlil is the wind god. Wind and spirit is connected through breath. Enki is connected to the sea, and mankind has always been likened to the sea.

The "Holy Trinity" of the Church is often depicted as the Allseeing Eye. A symbol that can be traced back to ancient Egypt. However it was adapted by the alchymists and later the Freemasons.

The Name of God is a word of 72 letters starting with JHVH/YHWH. Giving three names to three gods, brings us up to 216. Take 216 and multiply it with 666.666... and you get 144,000 the number of Jewish saints in the Book of Revelation. 144,000 is also the number of marble rocks that was once covering the Great Pyramid of Giza. These rocks made the whole construction waterproof, and my theory is that Satan and his angels survived the Flood inside it. They may have been 216 people...



posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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I appreciate all the work you have gone to. The irony is; the same scriptures you used can also be used to refute the Trinity. The Almighty has a name: Jah or Jehovah etc. Jesus was known as the Word before he became known as Jesus or Michael. They are all Gods! Jesus is a God also, but not the Almighty. No where does it say that he is, nor did he ever refer to himself as such. Look at it this way: Jah was the architect of the Universe while Jesus being his right hand man, was the builder. They both created and both are allowed the credit.

There are a lot of semantics involved and you have to convolute the scriptures to come up with that doctrine. And unfortunately it bogs the person down and prevents the person from gaining more important insight. If something does not make sense - it usually isn't.

Jesus said that; "men would make commands of men as doctrines." Of course the primary doctrines taught by Christianity are; the trinity, the cross, immortality of the human soul, and hellfire, all of which have very pagan backgrounds. Do you honestly believe that The Gods would adulterate their truth with that?

My question is, and has always been, "WHY?" Why are these doctrines so darn important to believe, and teach? Why is it so important to believe that all 3 are 1 literally? (Have you ever asked yourself that?) How can we ever relate to Jesus if he was in essence part of a "borg?" Why could they not all be individual? I have not met one person yet who could justify all these doctrines in a believable way, and I have talked to the best or most educated in theology. As I said earlier; it is all credulity.



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by drevill

whilst the word trinity does nota ppear, the "doctrine" is sound that is 3 states of one God

John 1:1-4

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

cross reference the word of God in

Rev 19:13

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

okay so we have so far The word (Jesus the Christ) being the creator of all things

Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

So God is the creator ergo Christ is God


jesus is said to be the firstborn of all creation

col 1:[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

stripture clearly states a course of events, jesus was created first (firstborn of creation) not possible if he was a trinity with a god who ¨had no beginning¨. verse 16 says ¨for by him¨ all things were created. so god designed the blueprints, but jesus pyshically made it. similiar to the relationship between architect and builder.

rev 3:14] And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

again, beginning of creation

1 cor 8:[6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

ONE god, OF whom are all things.
ONE jesus... BY whom are all things.

picture alittle more clearer?

also if you research john 1, you´ll find alot of translation render it as ¨and the word was a god¨

no trinity


Acts 5:3-5

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

shows that the holy spirit is equated as God

also see

1 Corinthians 12:11

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.


here it shows that the spirit gives to whom he will. Yet we know that all things are at the will of God.

the holy spirit took part in creation

Psalms 104:20

Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

Genesis 1:2

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Isaiah 40

shows us that the holy spirit was NOT taught by anyone

Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him? 14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge,

job 21:22

Shall any teach God knowledge? seeing he judgeth those that are high

this is just a minute amount of evidence.


holy spirit is not a person.

luke 1:41] And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

can a person fill another?

matt 3:[11] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

can you baptize a person with a person?

acts 10:[38] How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

can you anoint someone with a person? also if the trinity was true, why did god have to anoint him?

acts 10:[44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

can you pour a person?

ok so what about the fact that some scriptures personify it?

some quotes from proverbs 8 (all of chapter 8 is a good example)

[1] Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

[12] I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

[1] Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

so wisdom is a person now?

rom 5:[14] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

death is something that happens

[21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

so sin is the queen maybe?

rom 6:[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

the holy ghost, or spirit is not a person.



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
There is only one God. The trinity comes from Sumer. Anu was the primary god of heaven, the "Father" and "King of the Gods". Enlil was the "wind-god", the God of the Earth and a creator and Enki was the god of waters and "Lord of Wisdom".

The Father on top as King of Heaven. Enlil is the wind god. Wind and spirit is connected through breath. Enki is connected to the sea, and mankind has always been likened to the sea.

The "Holy Trinity" of the Church is often depicted as the Allseeing Eye. A symbol that can be traced back to ancient Egypt. However it was adapted by the alchymists and later the Freemasons.

The Name of God is a word of 72 letters starting with JHVH/YHWH. Giving three names to three gods, brings us up to 216. Take 216 and multiply it with 666.666... and you get 144,000 the number of Jewish saints in the Book of Revelation. 144,000 is also the number of marble rocks that was once covering the Great Pyramid of Giza. These rocks made the whole construction waterproof, and my theory is that Satan and his angels survived the Flood inside it. They may have been 216 people...


question, where do you get the number 72?

is the name of god already told?

psalm 83:[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

second question, if satan and his demons are spirit creatures, why would they need a building to survive the flood?



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by miriam0566
question, where do you get the number 72?


From Kaballah, ancient Jewish mystics which is basically all about the Name of God. You also find it in astrology and many other places. Try googling it.


is the name of god already told?

Yes, but it was lost when the Jews were in Babylon, together with the Ark of Covenant and many other relics and writings.


psalm 83:[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.


Jehovah was constructed by a Catholic monk in the early Middle Ages. It is not the correct reading of the Teragrammathon JHVH. The Tetragrammathon is not a proper name it is a mysterious name which when recited brings you into direct contact with God. According to the same tradition the Name of God was also an idol which was worshipped in the time of Enosh, the son of Seth.


second question, if satan and his demons are spirit creatures, why would they need a building to survive the flood?


Who said they were spirit creatures? In my opinion they are as much flesh and blood as you and me, and they still roam this planet.



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 12:37 PM
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Jehovah was constructed by a Catholic monk in the early Middle Ages. It is not the correct reading of the Teragrammathon JHVH. The Tetragrammathon is not a proper name it is a mysterious name which when recited brings you into direct contact with God. According to the same tradition the Name of God was also an idol which was worshipped in the time of Enosh, the son of Seth.


"Jehovah" is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although "Yahweh" is favored by most Hebrew scholars. The Tetragrammaton is made up of 4 consonants and are transliterated into English as YHWH or JHVH. The question is; Which vowels are to be combined with those consonants? Vowel points did not come into use in Hebrew until the second half of the first millennium C.E.

There was superstition that developed among the Jews that it was wrong even to pronounce the divine name. But there is no evidence that any of Jah's servants did not use the word. Another view is that the intent was to keep non-Jewish peoples from knowing the name and possibly misusing it. The superstition possibly took hold with the Babylonian exile - 607-537 B.C.E. And many reference books state; 300 B.C.E.

In the 11th century C.E. scholars added the vowels to read: Yehwah, Yehwih, and Yehowah. Ginsburg's edition of the Masoretic text vowel points the divine name to read Yehowah. Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation. They point out that the abbreviated form of the name is Yah (Jah in the Latinized form), as at Psalm 89:8 and in the expression HaleluYah (meaning; "Praise Jah, you people!")

Hence, the reason I use Jah!



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 02:47 PM
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Let me leaborate. The idea is that the Name of God can not be said, only recited.

The Middle-Age Catholic monk who made up the name Jehovah or actually Jahovah combined the Tetragrammathon with the title Adonai, Lord. He simply took the vowels from Adonai and entered them inbetween the consonants of the four letter Name. He was obviously unaware that you can't use vowels as you like in Hebrew. No Jew speaking Hebrew would even concider using a word like Jehvah or Jahovah. It's simply wrong.

So if you absolutely have to use vowels inbetween Yahweh or Jahveh would be the best solution. For that follows the strict rules for "vowelisation" of the 22 Hebrew consonants.

But I will say like I have said. The Name of God is a grand mystery and has to do with the Heaven God created on or before the first day. Astrology. The Babylonians of Genesis were destroyed since they tried to make a -- name -- for themselves. A new heaven or the Zodiak. They hated God after the destruction and confusion, so the name they made had a dragon where God had been.



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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Hello

I see you are a J.W? (not insult meant with the J.W there, just easier for me)



"col 1:[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

stripture clearly states a course of events, jesus was created first (firstborn of creation) not possible if he was a trinity with a god who ¨had no beginning¨. verse 16 says ¨for by him¨ all things were created. so god designed the blueprints, but jesus pyshically made it. similiar to the relationship between architect and builder."


okay - first born personally i think you argue against your own point a little. Ok if we back up a little and read the whole chapter we read that Paul is giving and asking others to give thanks to the father for the son, The son (God as a man) born on earth as a man. He says before all creation, as God is outside of time as we understand it and not a linear time frame as we are. He created everything as he is and was God.


rev 3:14] And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

again, beginning of creation

Gods creation included the salvation plan, he created the situation of being born onto earth,



1 cor 8:[6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

ONE god, OF whom are all things.
ONE jesus... BY whom are all things. 0


I agree...

One God

One Lord Jesus Christ who was the one God in the flesh.



picture alittle more clearer?
No need for that was there?



also if you research john 1, you´ll find alot of translation render it as ¨and the word was a god¨


Please! i wouldn't need to try hard to know that the J.W's have doctored the translation of the texts

Also ill bring to your attention 1 Corinthians 8:4

.. that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

God is not the author of confusion, nor will he tollorate any other god.

Therefore the WORD cannot have been A (plural) god indicating more than one. The word is God as it says in the KJV.

If you wish, you could look up a Pe#ta Bible AND/OR THE Italic, the Old Latin Vulgate and the Waldensian versions from the second century that agree with the KJV and not, unfortunately with the J.W's bible that claim to us the same texts as the KJV.

ill post the holy spirit reply in moment, if i loose this post ill go mad...

david



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 11:55 AM
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The holy Spirit



luke 1:41] And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

can a person fill another?




if i have ever heard a misquote ....... obviously the holy spirit is not physical. have you ever been filled with Joy.dread,hope,anger,upset,hurt, et al?



matt 3:[11] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:


see my previous comment, i mean no disrespect but are you serious?



acts 10:[38] How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

can you anoint someone with a person? also if the trinity was true, why did god have to anoint him?


The holy Spirit descended visibly, this marked the start of Jesus's ministry. why? Prophecy!!

Isaiah 61:1-3

1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.




acts 10:[44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

can you pour a person?


please refer to my comments above about physical. incorpreality!!




ok so what about the fact that some scriptures personify it?

some quotes from proverbs 8 (all of chapter 8 is a good example)

[1] Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

[12] I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

[1] Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

so wisdom is a person now?



its a good point but you have to take it in context, read Chapter seven and remember it is a Proverb. Here in proverbs 7 the ground work is given and wisdom is identified as a woman

Proverbs 7:1-5

1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. 2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. 3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart. 4 Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman: 5 That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.

if were taking all this literally then someone has an apple for an eye.




rom 5:[14] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

death is something that happens

[21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

so sin is the queen maybe?

rom 6:[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

the holy ghost, or spirit is not a person.


not sure what death has to do with this, could you explain? sorry

david



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by MatrixProphet
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I appreciate all the work you have gone to. The irony is; the same scriptures you used can also be used to refute the Trinity. The Almighty has a name: Jah or Jehovah etc. Jesus was known as the Word before he became known as Jesus or Michael. They are all Gods! Jesus is a God also, but not the Almighty. No where does it say that he is, nor did he ever refer to himself as such. Look at it this way: Jah was the architect of the Universe while Jesus being his right hand man, was the builder. They both created and both are allowed the credit.

There are a lot of semantics involved and you have to convolute the scriptures to come up with that doctrine. And unfortunately it bogs the person down and prevents the person from gaining more important insight. If something does not make sense - it usually isn't.

Jesus said that; "men would make commands of men as doctrines." Of course the primary doctrines taught by Christianity are; the trinity, the cross, immortality of the human soul, and hellfire, all of which have very pagan backgrounds. Do you honestly believe that The Gods would adulterate their truth with that?

My question is, and has always been, "WHY?" Why are these doctrines so darn important to believe, and teach? Why is it so important to believe that all 3 are 1 literally? (Have you ever asked yourself that?) How can we ever relate to Jesus if he was in essence part of a "borg?" Why could they not all be individual? I have not met one person yet who could justify all these doctrines in a believable way, and I have talked to the best or most educated in theology. As I said earlier; it is all credulity.



hello

Fair comment,

for me its about truth, and as i understand it the trinity (bad word i agree)

in that the father, Jesus and the holy Siprit are 3 aspects of one God rings true.

im happy to discuss anything and anyones opinions. If i can be shown evidence from God's words that i am wrong I'll thank the Lord for it.

all the best

david



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by MatrixProphet
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"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"


Go therefore, and teach all the world in the name of Peter Johnson. Maggie Johnson and Michael Johnson. You do not pluralize "name" in this sense! Because they all have the same last name. Otherwise, you would say follow in the examples of; Cohn, Johnson and Andrews.

Or go baptizing them in the name of the Corinthian Congregation! Only a foolish one would think that the congregation is made up of only one!

Do you get the point? This is why it has always been so easy to refute doctrines taught by religions that really do not make any sense.

I realize it challenges you, but just reason on it and perhaps you can see it from a more natural viewpoint.



there is one God and three aspects, three resopnsibilities if you will

such as head stone of a woman in a grave yard

wife,daughter,mother one person, 3 titles, 3 roles

Queen Elizabeth the 2nd of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Head of the commonwealth, defender of the faith

all the best

david

[edit on 6/4/2008 by drevill]

[edit on 6/4/2008 by drevill]



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by drevill

if i have ever heard a misquote ....... obviously the holy spirit is not physical. have you ever been filled with Joy.dread,hope,anger,upset,hurt, et al?


I would call that dopamine, not a ghost.



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Who said they were spirit creatures? In my opinion they are as much flesh and blood as you and me, and they still roam this planet.


the bible says they are spirit creatures. would you like me to start quoting scriptures?

interesting stuff on the mystics though




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