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United 797: United fifteen twenty-three, did you hear the company, er, did you hear some other aircraft on a frequency a couple of minutes ago, screaming?
United 1523: Yes I did, seven ninety-seven, and, ah, we couldn’t tell what it was either.
United 797: OK.
Cleveland: United ninety-three Cleveland, if you hear the center, ident [command for United 93 to send secondary radar transponder positive identification]
American 1060: American ten-sixty, er, ditto also on the other transmission.
Cleveland: American ten-sixty, you heard that also?
American 1060: We heard it twice.
Cleveland: Roger, we heard that also. [No noise on Cleveland tape.] Thanks. We just wanted to confirm that wasn’t some interference.
Executive 956: Executive nine fifty-six.
Cleveland: Executive nine fifty-six, go.
Executive 956: Just answering your call. We could year that, er, yelling too.
Cleveland: OK, thank you, we’re just trying to figure out what’s going on.
originally posted by eyewitness86
If so you are in a state of morbid and chronic denial, that is the only thing that can account for someone teking odds like that serioulsy. No reasonable approach can find a way to allow for all FOUR cockpits to be found open at exactly the right times, and for all eight pilots to be able to be killed and or disabled INSTANTLY, before even ONE could key a mike. That is beyond belief. No one has addresed those points yet, and no wonder.
"I do not care HOW determined a person is, they still have to get thru cockpit doors, slash two pilots to death...."
"Flt. 93 passengers were willing to sacrifice their lives to ' rush ' a cockpit"
"The people who are safe do NOT give up their safety, no matter what. Armored car guards..."
"Imagine a room full of people, men fully capable of offensive actions, and some women, being raided by some punks with small blades...."
Class IV Hemorrhage involves loss of >40% of circulating blood volume. The limit of the body's compensation are reached and aggressive resuscitation is required to prevent death.
On Tuesday, the jury heard recordings of two ground control tapes. There, the pilots were heard screaming "Mayday!" four times, and then telling the terrorists breaking through the cockpit door to "Get out of here! Get out of here!" The cockpit voice recorder picked up from there.
There are also the sounds of what may have been the killing of a flight attendant as the hijackers took control: a woman in the cockpit moaning, "Please, please, don't hurt me." Her voice soon appears again for the last time as she is heard to say, "I don't want to die, I don't want to die" followed by one of the hijackers saying in Arabic: "Everything is fine. I finished."
But the noise of the struggle could still be heard, including shouts from attackers and crew members and gruesome thwacking sounds, possibly from the crew being struck or stabbed.
"No more! No more!" a voice said. "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no." According to an investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks, a woman believed to be a flight attendant was seized and taken into the cockpit, where she was killed or otherwise silenced.
As the assault continued, the person pleaded, "No more. Please, please, please. . . . Don't hurt me. No more, no more."
One of the hijackers shouted in English, "Down, down, down! Sit down! Shut up!"
Then later, a man's voice said, "I don't want to die. I don't want to die. I don't want to die."
In Arabic, a hijacker said, "That's it. Go back." And another replied, "Everything is fine. I finished."
The callers reported that the hijackers were wearing red bandanas and had forced passengers to the back of the airplane, a Boeing 757. They also said that a passenger had been stabbed and that two people -- possibly the captain and first officer -- were lying on the floor of the cabin, injured or dead, the commission said in its report. "One caller reported that a flight attendant had been killed," it said.
Sources told 9NEWS the Red Team was able to sneak about 90 percent of simulated weapons past checkpoint screeners in Denver. In the baggage area, screeners caught one explosive device that was packed in a suitcase. However later, screeners in the baggage area missed a book bomb, according to sources.
Originally posted by jprophet420
Good topic EW 86. Let's start with the cockpit doors and how the hijackers breached the cockpit. According to this designnews.com article, the cockpit doors were considered weak enough to be able to be breached.
So were they feeble enough to be breached faster than the panic button could be activated? if they were made out of anything stronger than open air I would guess the answer to be 'no'.
Originally posted by adjay
It has often astounded me to think of 4 highly trained crews, being overwhelmed by 4 groups of badly trained religious freaks. I know it's definitely not policy to hand over your 767 to anybody asking, threatening, demanding, even on threat of life, as when you hand it over, you hand over the lives of everyone on that plane to an untrained psycho.
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
um...Highly trained in what? Sitting in an arm chair for six hours?
Plus, prior to Septeber 11, 2001, it might not have been plicy to hand over your Boeing, but how many jetliner hijackings had ended in ALL of the hostages dying?