I welcome my opponent to the debate, and am glad his delay was not a permanent one.
It is established in history that there were a total of 51 Prison, transit and concentration camps under the Nazi Regime.
Out of those 51 the following are claimed to have been extermination camps: (estimated deaths)
Auschwitz-Birkenau Poland Extermination and labour camp April 1940 – January 1945 (1,100,000–1,500,000)
Bełżec Poland Extermination camp March 1942 – June 1943 (600,000)
Kulmhof (Chełmno) Poland Extermination camp December 1941 – April 1943, April 1944 – January 1945 (320,000)
Jasenovac Croatia Extermination camp August 1941 – April 1945 (600,000-700,000)
Majdanek (KZ Lublin) Poland Extermination camp July 1941 – July 1944 (360,000)
Maly Trostenets Belarus Extermination camp July 1941 – June 1944 (65,000)
Sobibór Poland Extermination camp May 1942 - October 1943 (250,000)
Treblinka Poland Extermination camp July 1942 – November 1943 (870,000)
Warsaw Poland Labour and extermination camp 1942 –1944 (Up to 200,000)
Total casualties (maximum) in extermination camps: 5,615,000 (all ethnic groups including Jewry)
Please note that the following (in)famous camps in Germany have been proven not to have been extermination camps:
Bergen-Belsen Germany Collection point April 1943 – April 1945 (70,000)
Buchenwald Germany Labour camp July 1937 – April 1945 (56,000)
Dachau Germany Labour camp March 1933 – April 1945 200,000 (31,591)
Mauthausen-Gusen Austria Labour camp August 1938 – May 1945 (95,000)
Mittelbau-Dora Germany Labour camp September 1943 – April 1945 (20,000)
Neuengamme Germany Labour camp December 13, 1938 – May 4, 1945 (55,000)
Niederhagen Germany Prison and labour camp September 1941 – early 1943 (1,285)
Oranienburg Germany Collective point March 1933 – July 1934 (min. 16)
Ravensbrück Germany Labour camp for women May 1939 – April 1945 (min. 90,000)
Sachsenhausen Germany Labour camp July 1936 – April 1945 (100,000)
Stutthof Poland Labour camp September 1939 – May 1945 (65,000)
Simon Wiesenthal: "there were no extermination camps on German soil" (Books and Bookmen (April 1975 issue) & Stars and Stripes (Januari 24,
Given the limited space (40.000 chars) during this debate, I will address as much of the following camps as possible:
Auschwitz-Birkenau, Bełżec, Kulmhof (Chełmno), Majdanek (Lublin), Sobibór and Treblinka, all in Poland.
An unnoticed revision?
According to converted revisionist and accepted Holocaust authority Jean-Claude Pressac
the actual number of total victims is revised from 1 - 1.5 million to 630,000 - 700,000 (Jean-Claude Pressac, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of
the Gas Chambers, New York, The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1994 edition page 202
Looking for the murder weapon
In Januari 1988, Barbara Kaluszka, Attorney of one Ernst Zündel wrote to the Department of corrections in the state of Missouri to ask for assistance
in the form of expert testimonial on behalf of her client to show the workings of the Gas chambers. As a reply she was referred to one Fred A.
Leuchter as being the best source for such a task.
Fred Leuchter accepted the assignment and left for Poland on February 25, 1988 together with his wife Carolyn, his draftsman, cinematographer and
Polish language interpreter, Tijudar Rudolph.
The Leuchter Reports, page 83-84
A lengthy New York Times article (October 13, 1990), complete with a front-page photo of Leuchter, called him “The nation’s leading adviser on
capital punishment.” In his book about America’s capital punishment industry, Stephen Trombley confirms that Leuchter is: “America’s first and
foremost supplier of execution hardware. His products include electric chairs, gas chambers, gallows, and lethal injection machines. He offers design,
construction, installation, staff training and maintenance.” Thus, with Fred A. Leuchter we have the foremost, if not the only expert on execution
technology in the U.S.
That was public opinion before
Mr. Leuchter´s findings about Auschwitz became widely known.
After reviewing all of the material and inspecting all of the sites at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek, your author finds the evidence to be
overwhelming. There were no execution gas chambers at any of these locations. It is the best engineering opinion of this author that the alleged gas
chambers at the inspected sites could not have then been, or now be, utilized or seriously considered to function as execution gas chambers.
Same source as above (Ibid).
Truth be told, Fred Leuchter did make some mistakes
as identified by Diplom-Chemiker
(Chemist) Germar Rudolf and others. Leuchter was
not even an official engineer, although he did have a college education. Due to the fact he was not a chemist, the report was not allowed into
evidence, but he was allowed to give his opinion about his findings with regards to the gas chambers (Baluszka: E. Zündel trial Canada 1985 & 1988,
Leuchter paid a severe penalty for his findings: he was buried by the media, imprisoned and
lost his job.
Later in 1993, German Rudolf (who was qualified) did a more in depth technical study of the matter, went to Auschwitz and took samples of the walls of
the structures which were the alleged gas-chambers, as well as of the delousing facilities and crematoria. His findings in brief:
The Rudolf Report, 2004 edition page 289
On physical-chemical grounds, the mass gassings with hydrogen cyanide (Zyklon B) in the supposed ‘gas chambers’ of Auschwitz claimed by
witnesses did not take place.
also paid a severe penalty for his writings and findings: he was dismissed from the Max-Planck
institute, fled to the U.K. and later the U.S.A., was extradited (?) and is currently imprisoned
Germany in solitary confinement. It must be noted that Rudolf has had brief associations with the right wing party Republikaner
which he later
admitted a mistake.
The bottom line is that there were no sufficient amounts of cyanide residue found at the alleged crime scene for mass-gassings to have taken place.
Furthermore the buildings were not suitable to be used with the highly toxic Zyklon-B according to the findings by Leuchter.
Crucial eye-witness report to Auschwitz gassings
co-author of the Vrba-Wetzler
part of the Auschwitz Protocols
: Vrba escaped from Auschwitz, and wrote this report together with a fellow inmate and two members
of the Slovakian Jewish Council(...). This report basically first brought eye-witness proof of mass-gassings to the attention of the Allies, and
describes in detail what Vrba had experienced in Auschwitz between June 30, 1942 and April 30, 1944 at which date he managed to escape.
This report, to all intent and purposes was the introduction of the gas-chambers to the world.
Rudolf Vrba has turned out to be not a very realiable witness when cross-examined by Doug Christie during the ´85 Zündel trial. E.g. Vrba insisted
that he had seen 1,765,000 Jews disappear into the crematoria with his own eyes; this included 150,000 French Jews. This fact seems unclear, because
there is agreement that around 75,000 Jews were transported from France.
At several points in his testimony he has claimed "poetic license", which I understand to be hearsay, where he first claimed "to have seen it with
his own eyes". Entire testimony online.
The Auschwitz protocols stated that there were three crematoria in Birkenau with the capacity to incinerate 10,000 bodies daily, and that 30,000
people had been gassed in one day.
The author wrote: "History knows no parallel of such destruction of human life."
writes that the report was filed away with a note that there was no indication as
to the reliability of the source.
The three reports were accepted and filed into evidence under ID # 022-L in the Nuremberg
Disposal of the victims using crematoria
If we conclude that indeed so many people perished there should at least be a way to explain how they were disposed of. According to Nuremberg
evidence, some 10,000 bodies were burned per day in the three Birkenau crematoria, or 3,333 bodies per crematorium per day.
According to Ivan Lagacé, a crematory manager from Calgary, it takes around two hours to burn a single body, and Auschwitz-Birkenau could not have
handled more than 184 bodies per day. Lagacé also commented that a "large amount" of fuel would be needed for open air incinerations.
(Baluszka: E. Zündel trial Canada 1985 & 1988, pages 568-574
Open air: Some 200 kg of wood per body
which is important here and for Treblinka as I will
Initial conclusion Auschwitz-Birkenau:
o No scientific or forensic proof for mass-gassings
o No sufficient means for disposal of hundreds of thousands of bodies
o Dubious main witness who has been shown to retract statements as "not his own"