posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 09:20 PM
Source: "On the Record" with investigative reporter George Knapp September 12, 1989. Interviewee: Bob Lazar.
Lazar said that the alien craft flew by amplifying gravity waves through use of a reactor and an "alien element"--atomic number 115--he also
described this substance as an "ore" not found or synthesized on earth.
" Lazar: Inside that tower is a chip of Element 115 they just put in there. That's a super-heavy element. The lid goes on top. And as far as any
other of the workings of it, I really don't know, you know, [such as] what's inside the bottom of it . . . 115 sets up a gravitational field around
the top. That little wave guide you saw being put on the top: it essentially siphons off the gravity wave, and that's later amplified in the lower
portion of the craft. But just in general, the whole technology is virtually unknown.
Knapp: Now we saw the model. We saw the pictures of it there. It looks really, really simple, almost too simple to actually do anything.
Knapp: Working parts?
Lazar: None detectable. Essentially, what the job was was to back- engineer everthing, where you have a finished product and to step backwards and
find out how it was made or how it could be made with earthly materials. There hasn't been very much progress.
Knapp: How long do you think they've had this technology up there?
Lazar: It seems like quite a while, but I really don't know.
Knapp: What could you do with an anti-matter generator? What does it do?
Lazar: It converts anti-matter . . . It doesn't convert anti-matter! There's an annihilation reaction. It's an extremely powerful reaction, a
hundred percent conversion of matter to energy, unlike a fission or fusion reaction which is somewhere around eight-tenths of one percent conversion
of matter to energy.
Knapp: How does it work? What starts the reaction going?
Lazar: Really, once the 115 is put in, the reaction is initiated.
Knapp: I don't understand. I mean, there's no button to push or anything?
Lazar: No, there's no button to push or anything. Apparently, the 115 under bombardment with protons lets out an anti-matter particle. This
anti-matter particle will react with any matter whatsoever, which I imagine there is some target system inside the reactor. This, in turn, releases
heat, and somewhere within that system there is a one-hundred-percent- efficient thermionic generator, essentially a heat-to-electrical generator.
Knapp: How is this anti-matter reactor connected to gravity generation that you were talking about earlier?
Lazar: Well, that reactor serves two purposes; it provides a tremendous amount of electrical power, which is almost a by-product. The
gravitational wave gets formed at the sphere, and that's through some action of the 115, and the exact action I don't think anyone really knows. The
wave guide siphons off that gravity wave, and that's channeled above the top of the disk to the lower part where there are three gravity amplifiers,
which amplify and direct that gravity wave.
Knapp: In essence creating their own gravitational field.
Lazar: Their own gravitational field.
Knapp: You're fairly convinced that science on earth doesn't have this technology right now? We have it now at S-4, I guess, but we didn't
Knapp: Why not? Why couldn't we?
Lazar: The technology's not even—we don't even know what gravity is!
Knapp: Well, what is it? What have you learned about what gravity is?
Lazar: Gravity is a wave. There are many different theories, wave included. It's been theorized that gravity is also particles, gravitons, which
is also incorrect. But gravity is a wave. The basic wave they can actually tap off of an element: why that is I' m not exactly sure.
Knapp: So you can produce your own gravity. What does that mean? What does that allow you to do?
Lazar: It allows you to do virtually anything. Gravity distorts time and space. By doing that, now you're into a different mode of travel, where
instead of traveling in a linear method going from Point A to B, now you can distort time and space to where you essentially bring the mountain to
Mohammad, you almost bring your destination to you without moving. And since you're distorting time, all this takes place in between moments of
This is the actual original source of the Lazar / Element 115 claims. This is it. So everything else is flowing from this data set.