The 7 Deadly Sins and the end of humanity.

there is now an 8th deadly sin:

putting your hands on your keyboard before you've engaged your brain.

reply to post by Skyfloating


OK, you basically say focusing on oneself is where we should be, so self thought or selfishness is good. I agree we all need to see the plank in our own eye first. But let me say that selfishness is the motive for action not the action itself

If I improve myself because I want to be a better people making it easier to help others, that is not selfish. You are doing something to help others.

But if you improve yourself just because it helps you, that is selfish.

Also priorities lead into selfishness. If I am stable and happy, making myself a little more happy and stable may someday make me more able to help others, but eventually you have to help others for your argument to hold. And if there are people that are sad and suffering, I think helping yourself so you can latter help them is not a good thing.

You have X resources. You have a value of 7 available to help people. You spend 25 years of those X resources to get you to a 9 value to help people. You could have spent 25 years with your X resources at a value of 7 to help people.

It scares me to think people are being taught these rationals.

As far as helping someone teaching them not to work, when someone is kind to me it teaches me to be kind. If I am given something it motivates me to be in a position where I can now have things to give. However I understand in the life under the rule of selfishness as good none of these things would happen.

And if someone chooses not to work, I will not starve him to force him to work. Note that you are using torture by starvation to teach something. What if he is in a prison camp and being told to make bullets that will kill his family in WW2. And regardless of why, or if it is a persons own fault. If a person is hungry and ask for food, you can give it to him, then spend the time sharing the meal to listen and actually you do help them, and improve yourself at the same time.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

I am sitting in an airplane and the stewardess says: "Put on your own oxygen mask before helping others to do so"

bad analogy, in this case you must help yourself, because if you don't you will have 0 ability to help others. This is diffent then not spending your 7 ability just so you can move up to an 8. For heaven sakes, what does slow working on ones self have to do with savings ones life.

And medaphorically speaking, based on this last post of yours, and only this last post of yours, could I please ask you to put the mask on the other person first, then you might really be helping all people. Ok that was a huge dig, and not really serious, God Bless, but I could not pass up the way your comment formed my joking reply.



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Originally posted by wardk28
How come those who are not Christians judge Christian to be these "pushy force my religion" kind of people? No one in here is trying to convert. This is simply our belief and you can take it or not.

Because the major media ran by the corporate regime built on the evil of greed puts these people out in front to hide the true message of the Love of Jesus Christ.

Even Christians don't always believe what another Christian does. We read the bible and pray about it, if it feels right in our hearts, we try and make it apart of our lives.

Thank you for that warm loving thought, God Bless.

Originally posted by xander68
Im a proud gay man, and contribute much to society. I cant say the same about a bigot that sits around writing ridiculous posts (that part would be you).

I do believe gay acts go against the natural way god created us and is a sin. That is my belief.

I also believe I do things that are sin, lieing selfishness, lack of humility. And they are just as bad in the eyes of the God I believe in.

Jesus loves you and has a reason for why you are on the path you are on, and it is not for me to judge that. Actually it is not for me to decide what sin is for you at all, for it is God who will judge not me. God Bless. God tells me what sin is for me, and I try, yet fail many times to follow what he guides me to.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
The man I used to see in the mirror is a stranger to me now days when I look.

No matter who you are or what you have done in the past, this life will find a ways to test you. I have been taught I am very selfish. Still able to have great empathy, but very selfish.

Focusing on the acts or the person we were, I have found, leads me to reveal in false superiority and thinking I am better then I truly am, for as I pat myself on the back for past successes, I miss opportunities to do good. And forget to think on past failures.

A better measure of a man is what he does in every choice he makes, not what he chose before. So we can change who we are, embrace who we wish to be, by doing what we believe, and accepting that every opportunity we pass up on, is what we should remember, to keep us focused on current opportunities.

Originally posted by docklands
7 deadly sins (now considered part of modern life):

Lust - Addicted to sex or pornography
Gluttony - Obese people overeating
Greed - No amount of money is enough
Laziness/ Apathy - Atheist and so-called skeptics
Hate - Rosie O'Donnell
Jealousy - Diaper Astronaut
Pride - Gay pride parade?

We have seen and I doubt anyone would argue that these sins are rare in this world, as a matter of fact, these sins are now deemed as normal part of life. Gays, homosexuality, transgenders, pedophilia, excessive masturbation, hyper-sexuality of double penetration, gang-bangers, the excitement of cheating on your spouse, you name it. It's incredibly explicit, nothing is out of bounds at all, and it's all OKAY if it's consensual.

Incredible,

and along with those 7 deadly sins, it's the devaluation of the 7 virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility.

And surprisingly, the virtues that are being preached by religion are being scoffed at, while the sins are being celebrated.

If the world comes to and end, you all will know why.

Your synthesis is quite amazing. It will make a fine 7th grade Social Studies report. Bravo.

Scratch that. Youre needed at the Sean Hannity forum, OP. Youll be perfectly at home there.

forums.hannity.com...

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Just out of curiosity... what is your definition of "excessive masturbation"?

I just want to know because I have this... umm... friend. Yeah, thats it. I have this friend and he thinks he might be masturbating too much and he really doesn't want to go to Hell!


Nah, but seriously. This world is filled with sin. And so much hatred. Just reading posts on this site, its scary how hate-filled a lot of the members here are, especially when discussing politics or our current president. Its really pathetic that those who preach peace are often the ones who are most consumed with hatred and anger.

Its OK, I have sent my cheque off to the Pope for a Papal 'Indulgence' - That will absolve me of all sins I have committed and will commit so I am fine

Sounds like a con eh? but this is what the Catholic Church used to do. It started with granting 'indulgences' to Crusaders who were about to go off and murder, rape and pillage in the name of the Church. This then moved on a step or two to granting indulgences to those who stayed at home but funded the crusade. After that they started selling them left, right and centre, including to raise money to rebuild St Peters, despite the Church being the centre of wealth for the whole of Europe. This was one of the things that angered Martin Luther enough to nail his thesis to the door of Wittenberg church denouncing the Catholic Church and seeking reform.

This may be a little off topic but I can't really see what this thread has to do with religious conspiracies - so I thought I would give you a real, albeit old one.

Go with Jebus

umm ahahahhah rosie o donnell good one

Originally posted by docklands
reply to post by Chaoticar

 

We deny sprituality since we can't proof it, we don't want to understand it, we reject it as stupidity and waste of time. Science and the solo obsession with science is leading us down a very confusing path and so far, nothing science taught us is remotely life changing. We still pretty much the same 1000 years ago. We have not progress in morality and spirituality, we still commit the same crime, same sins, same pitfalls. Science did not and have not teach us anything about being better human beyond telling you to eat some more veggies and drive less.

Errm science has taught us nothing life changing? Apart from giving you the internet that allows you to spread your preaching (not that 'life changing' I grant you), science has given us a lot including longer lives - what could be more meaningful than that? It keeps us away from hell and here on earth 'sinning' just that bit longer

It is not sciences job to teach us how to be better people, arguably this is the job of philosophy but really it is all about understanding that it is not religion, science or philosophy's job - we have to live by our own moral code.

Turning this around, what has religion given us that's meaningful? Aside from 'confirming' a moral and ethical code that was already in place with every other civilisation, christian or not. In no society is it right to kill, steal, not respect your elders etc but would you see the introduction of a christian 'Sharia law' where people are punished 'OT style' for their sins? Secular society deals with this by passing laws against... err stealing murder etc but not against 'gluttony' and the less tangible things - this is down to the church to defend for their own agenda of control, it is not against the fundamental moral imperitive that all humans have.

The life changing things about religion are war, bigotry and a luddite sense that things should not progress because everything we learn casts doubt on the interpretation of ancient documents that the church gave to us a few hundred years ago. The sun goes around the earth... carbon dating is incorrect because a monk sat down and added everything up in the bible and reckons the world is 6,500 years old yada yada yada. The dark ages were caused by religious intolerance and persecution. They set back man kind a long way from the height of what had been acheived by the Greeks, Arabs and Indians. This knowledge was lost and suppressed for a long time bt he church.

Why can't you enjoy being 'of the faith' and leading a humble and pious life quietly and the rest of us who are Atheists can just get on with wallowing in our own sin.

p.s. Can anyone tell me what a "diaper astronaut" is?/ A social refernce I must have missed

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Originally posted by docklands
7 deadly sins (now considered part of modern life):

We have seen and I doubt anyone would argue that these sins are rare in this world, as a matter of fact, these sins are now deemed as normal part of life. Gays, homosexuality, transgenders, pedophilia, excessive masturbation, hyper-sexuality of double penetration, gang-bangers, the excitement of cheating on your spouse, you name it. It's incredibly explicit, nothing is out of bounds at all, and it's all OKAY if it's consensual.

Dude. Where are you living? double-penetration? excessive masturbation? I think you need to switch off the computer (and certainly don't click on any of the links that arrive in spam email) and get a life.

This all sounds a little bit 'internal' to me, I haven't noticed anyone doing double-penetration in public where I live. Where is paedophilia considered OK? I think sitting at home, clicking on link after link on the internet is going to give you a bit of a messed up view of the world. I think you are reaching out with your own internal demons and I respect you for your bravery. The constant attacks against gays are a worry though - do they threaten you? are you concerned that they may try and 'turn you'? are you so unsure of your sexuality that you can't stand to look at them? You certainly seem to get excited about them. hmmm

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I am just trying to get people to understand that not all Christians look down their noses at others. "Judge not for ye shall be judged" I think is very good quote. Thank you for you comments and God Bless

reply to post by supervortex2004

I don't think I really need to listen to someone from 2000 years ago telling me not to do something with a threat of "Don't do it or you'll burn in Hell!"

He doesn't say that. At the end of this age everyone will be taught without the influence of Satan, through the millennium. (Revelation 20) Satan will again be released at the end of that thousand years and if we follow him then there is a lake of fire.

This just isn't enough for me. And, if there even is a god, I think that within our modern society of how in just the past fifty years, so many things that were taboo are now an acceptabe daily matter.

That is the problem. Those are some of the signs of the end approaching. They may be acceptable to modern society but they are not to the One that matters.

The mystical, magical, invisible man that lives in the clouds would have ended life on earth as soon as things were commited. Why would you give someone the chance to continue "sinning" on a daily basis if you had the control to kill them at any time. There are murderers still walking the streets today (O.J.), and why is that? Because there is either no god at all, or there is a god that just isn't as powerful as everybody thinks.

He exerted that control before. He destroyed the first earth age, the one in which the dinosaurs lived and Satan rebelled. He did again at Noah's flood when the fallen angels had mixed with the daughters of Adam (Gen.6). He did with Sodom and Gomorrah because there were not even ten righteous men there (Gen.18:32).......He will again. Until then it is up to us to fight evil. Instead of asking why God allows O.J. to walk the streets, ask why the jury found it acceptable to allow him to walk free.

I'll give you a hint which one I believe...ATHEIST!! And if you are a real Christian, you won't hate me for my beliefs, 'cause that's a sin!

Why would you believe someone who believes in nothing?

No one hates you for what you believe but we do pray for you to find Him. He knocks but you must open the door.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear My voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me. Rev.3:20



.........Whirlwind

reply to post by whirlwind


Great post. You broke it down and made some very good points.

Originally posted by supervortex2004
There are murderers still walking the streets today (O.J.), and why is that? Because there is either no god at all, or there is a god that just isn't as powerful as everybody thinks.

There IS a third possibility - one that is NEVER promoted by the religious:

That there is a GOD and that GOD is far MORE forgiving and accepting of human behavior than any of us strive to be!

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
~Hebrews 10:17

We ALL make mistakes but not being able to forgive ourselves and others for being human is definitely an 'iniquity' because it is not just - not a fair and equitable thing to do!

Not that I'm telling you not to be an atheist - you have complete freedom of choice just as we all do. I'm just pointing out something that is too rarely said.

Peace!

reply to post by queenannie38

There IS a third possibility - one that is NEVER promoted by the religious:

That there is a GOD and that GOD is far MORE forgiving and accepting of human behavior than any of us strive to be!

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
~Hebrews 10:17

We ALL make mistakes but not being able to forgive ourselves and others for being human is definitely an 'iniquity' because it is not just - not a fair and equitable thing to do!

That scripture is very true but it is preceeded and followed by:

13.From henceforth expecting till His enemies be made His footstool.

14.for by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

18.Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

26.For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.


As you say, God is more forgiving than we are but as those verses show us He does have enemies and we are to fight them. It also shows that He is longsuffering but there appears to be a certain point at which it will be a bit late.


So...I believe that He won't remember our sins and iniquities any more if we repent and follow Him. There is a condition.



.........Whirlwind

Originally posted by whirlwind
As you say, God is more forgiving than we are but as those verses show us He does have enemies and we are to fight them. It also shows that He is long-suffering but there appears to be a certain point at which it will be a bit late.

There might APPEAR to be a limit to GOD's grace and mercy but that limit is one that our mortal minds define rather than what GOD's true character is!

The definition of GOD's long-suffering:

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
~2 Peter 3:9

...but that ALL should come to repentance! ALL! Obviously GOD is patient enough to wait for the very LAST ONE! Unless, of course, you want to say that Peter didn't know what the heck he was talking about. I believe he did. And so if GOD can be patient, so can we. If GOD can forgive, so MUST we!

So...I believe that He won't remember our sins and iniquities any more if we repent and follow Him. There is a condition.

That's all fine and good - put conditions on your own beliefs and faith but NOT on other people's! Especially those who are seeking to find GOD's love! You are not promoting GOD but rather your OWN beliefs! You are perfectly and completely entitled to hold those beliefs - but just as you are, so is everyone else!

And so, through your knowledge, you are the cause of destruction to your brother, for whom Christ underwent death. And in this way, doing evil to the brothers, and causing trouble to those whose faith is feeble, you are sinning against Christ.
~1 Corinthians 8:11-12

Christ died for EVERYONE. Not just 'believers' but non-believers, too!

It was the ultimate act of reconciliation which means that there is a channel through which GOD can work out the details with each in the best way that only GOD knows! And that channel is already in place for all of us - nothing we can say or preach to another person is going to convince them of GOD unless we demonstrate, with our actions of perfect love, just what GOD is really all about! GOD IS LOVE!

...and, PERFECT LOVE CASTS OUT FEAR! To continually undermine GOD's complete promise to the world by saying that there is a deadline or a condition that MUST be met is to work on the side of FEAR not LOVE! And to insinuate that YOU have met this so-called deadline or condition while doing so is HUBRIS. What you have, GOD has given you. When you came to Christ, it is ONLY because GOD drew you!

And he said, This is why I said to you, No man is able to come to me if he is not given the power to do so by the Father.
~John 6:65

And if you received that gift, then so will EVERYONE else - in due time!

Because God's selection and his mercies may not be changed.

For as you, in time past, were not under the rule of God, but now have got mercy through their turning away, So in the same way these have gone against the orders of God, so that by the mercy given to you they may now get mercy. For God has let them all go against his orders, so that he might have mercy on them all.

O how deep is the wealth of the wisdom and knowledge of God! no one is able to make discovery of his decisions, and his ways may not be searched out.

Who has knowledge of the mind of the Lord? or who has taken part in his purposes? Or who has first given to him, and it will be given back to him again?

For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever.

So be it.
~Romans 11:29-36

ALL things! ALL sinners and ALL saints! ALL men! There are no exceptions or limits in ALL!

So be it!

reply to post by queenannie38

There might APPEAR to be a limit to GOD's grace and mercy but that limit is one that our mortal minds define rather than what GOD's true character is!

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
~2 Peter 3:9


...but that ALL should come to repentance! ALL! Obviously GOD is patient enough to wait for the very LAST ONE! Unless, of course, you want to say that Peter didn't know what the heck he was talking about. I believe he did. And so if GOD can be patient, so can we. If GOD can forgive, so MUST we!

That scripture does tell us how longsuffering He is and He does want ALL to come to repentance but we can't gloss over that when He states that He is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."....it is showing the possibility that some could perish because they didn't repent. The very next verse warns us of that very thing.

11 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;.....(snip)

11.Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness.

17.We therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.


It isn't that it appears there is a limit to His longsuffering in our mortal minds but He tells us there is a limit.

So...I believe that He won't remember our sins and iniquities any more if we repent and follow Him. There is a condition.


That's all fine and good - put conditions on your own beliefs and faith but NOT on other people's! Especially those who are seeking to find GOD's love! You are not promoting GOD but rather your OWN beliefs! You are perfectly and completely entitled to hold those beliefs - but just as you are, so is everyone else!

I don't place conditions nor am I promoting my own beliefs. His letter tells us that He has put those conditions there and they are clearly stated in His Word.

And so, through your knowledge, you are the cause of destruction to your brother, for whom Christ underwent death. And in this way, doing evil to the brothers, and causing trouble to those whose faith is feeble, you are sinning against Christ.
~1 Corinthians 8:11-12

You can't take that scripture out of the contest of the chapter. The subject is about idols. If you are teaching others and their "faith is feeble", you would not "sit at meat in the idol's temple" where they believed it was wrong to eat the meat offered to idols. You know the idol is a stick of wood and you could easily eat the meat but you also know it would offend the student so you don't. You don't "cause trouble to those whose faith is feeble".

That scripture doesn't mean we shouldn't tell our brothers the truth of God's Word, as written in His Word. To not do so would be commiting an evil against them and directly go against His wishes.


Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, 'Thou shalt surely die;' and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

19.Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou has delivered thy soul.

20.Again, when a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

21.Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul."

Christ died for EVERYONE. Not just 'believers' but non-believers, too!

...and, PERFECT LOVE CASTS OUT FEAR! To continually undermine GOD's complete promise to the world by saying that there is a deadline or a condition that MUST be met is to work on the side of FEAR not LOVE! And to insinuate that YOU have met this so-called deadline or condition while doing so is HUBRIS. What you have, GOD has given you. When you came to Christ, it is ONLY because GOD drew you!

And he said, This is why I said to you, No man is able to come to me if he is not given the power to do so by the Father.
~John 6:65

Of course God is love and in His infinite love He wrote a letter of instructions for all of His children.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

His Words are the spirit that gives life. It would be wrong to keep those words from His children. I don't insinuate deadlines nor do I act as if they aren't there. I didn't write them nor do I warn others to place fear in their hearts. I do my best to teach His Words as accurately as I possibly can as there are many that haven't been taught. Perhaps some will hear His Words and follow Him but they must be His Words, all of His Words.

~Romans 11:29-36

ALL things! ALL sinners and ALL saints! ALL men! There are no exceptions or limits in ALL!

The subject of those scriptures is found in verse:

25:For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26.And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written.......

28.As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes; but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

Those verses are about God's elect and the house of Israel. They will ALL
be saved.

However, His salvation is open to all.


The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: But fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7



...........Whirlwind