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reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 08:14 AM by kosmicjack
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Thank you for your sharp and discerning eye. I would urge everyone reading this thread to really read it - in its entirety - and all of the links too. I have tried to find as much source information as possible but there is really not that much.

According to what I have found, William Cooper is not the author but did use it in his book and claims, based on his experience in the government and military, that the premise is true. He, however, is a very controversial figure to say the least. He was killed in an armed stand-off with police and many of his friends, family and supporters feel he was targeted as a result of his knowledge and dissent.

Hartford Van Dyke, may well be the actual author but his credibility is just as questionable.

I am a skeptic about most conspiracy topics, with the exception of what I believe is the government's aim to consolidate as much power as possible to as few people as possible. I generally feel most conspiracy theories would require the unlikely complicity of a large number of people. This does not. It is couched in statistics, data and news reports that, on their own, seem harmless enough but collectively work on our psyche to manipulate and control our emotions and actions.

I am not convinced about any of the the stories regarding the origins of SWFQW. I don't know where it came from. I just know that, upon reading it, lightbulbs were going off and I completely recognized the methods it proclaimed to be used against the population as a means of control. If it is not true - it certainly feels true. Wouldn't the result be the same?

Again, I would urge anyone speed reading or scouting this thread to start at the beginning and read it and the links carefully. Draw your own conclusions.


reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 08:27 AM by EJHoover
OK, I have read the document now and I have the following observations:

I am an electrical engineer, so maybe I understood the electrical and mathematical references more than some. All of this bit made some sense as most 'complex system models' can be described as electrical circuits, either in terms of Boolian logic or even analogue circuitry as described. However, I feel that this bit, along with the quasi-technical mathmetics are just window dressing to move this away from being just a collection of good CT / NWO stuff and try and give it an air of authenticity.

The example of 'shock testing' with 'beef', 'miscellaneous', 'gasolene' and 'petroleum products' shows us that if you put up the price of petroleum products the price of gas goes up too.

It also says that 'Beef' and 'miscellaneous' are independent of petroleum products so if w don't notice a change in them we have to test them separately. It then desolves into a load of meaningless math that more importantly than the numbers has no conclusion and then suddenly springs the concept of that these few equations will tell us what bad news will make a country ripe for take over. How did they get to that? I would expect a full description in a document like this, not just an example (beef, gas etc) being extrapolated 'so of course from this simple example we can all see that the complex example must be true'.

I am a consulting enginer who writes and reviews technical reports for a living. One of the important factors in any technical document is 'who is the audience'. I ask myself this question and I can come up with no answers. The language used, the 'hard' sums they use that don't actually come to the conclusions that the text does. The electrical circuits and talk about impedance and capacitance. Who is this intended for?

The Elite? They wouldn't need /want the techy math and electrical stuff.
The 'technicians'? Why would they have all of the background stuff including reference to genocide? This is supposed to be a secret society isn' it? They would also need WAY more technical detail. Could you do it now?

The language used is unlike any technical or government document I have ever read. Phrases like 'The Elite', 'pussy whipped' ' Junior', references to women getting 'the vote' in 1920 may be used in a high-level un-official policy written by a trusted advisor but not in what claims to be a technical thesis. If this was written by any government author for its stated purpose as an instruction manual it would be steeped in the burocratic BS that these people are used to communicating in. Despite the fact that
they are literally discussing the enslavement of these people they would still refer to them in more formal terms.

The interminable 'background' information with all manner of problems. What has a 'maser' got to do with anything? It is introduced in the beginning and not discussed again. This is before you consider that it has no application other than as a frequency generator. A bit more 'technobabble' methinks. The discussion about 'energy' when the whole issue boils down to simple economics that some 'seemingly not related things are actually related due to other things' type argument.

Conclusion: The document makes some interesting points but then it is no more interesting in this respect than many of the theories I see on this forum. The 'technical stuff' is rubbish, I would be happy for anyone to send me any kind of working that shows that these numbers make sense.

The reason why you see so much similarity to what is happening in the world is the same reason that the author of this document has put it down on paper. He is just mirroring concerns that we all feel. The stuff about 'shock testing' feels intuitively right so we can all latch onto that. For all I know it is true that economies are manipulated in this way - I just don't think that this document represents an inside view of how it works


reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 08:48 AM by kosmicjack
reply to post by EJHoover




Excellent post and well-made points! A great analysis of the writing style as well. I completely agree that some of the language does not seem to fit the document but instead seems geared toward eliciting an emotional reaction from the reader and not just detailing a strategy.

Supposedly the "manual" was written for agents of the government who would be able to control the use of and access to data and information. However, especially at the end, it seems to be less "professional" or "technical" for lack of better terms.

However, if you think in terms of "secret societies" (stereotypically speaking), they tend to promote an agenda and encourage thought and behavior patterns. (Please no one go off about Secret Societies, I am just generalizing to make a point here!) They might tend to use a writing style such as this in their texts and rites, a style meant to stir emotion. If the document was written by elites for elites it might reflect that secret society mumbo-jumbo feel and writing it in manual form is just some arcane schoolboy trickery.

Its all just conjecture


reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 09:05 AM by Redge777
reply to post by EJHoover



I agree, I think the math could be skipped, it should be noted that math is a great language for code, but that is just another path to wind down in thought not evidence.

It is so easy to try and reverse and re reverse things to find some value, basically the value for me came in a clean way to sum up the terrible things I have seen in the media and this country. Also the basic attitude presented by the 'Elites' match attitudes I have seen and felt for years. Its in the value of the statements for me, not the authenticity.


reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 07:11 PM by ZeroGhost
reply to post by kosmicjack



I have a large comment here for this, but would ask anyone the most appropriate way to share it. I am not a writer, that I know, but where compelled to write a few pages (2,183 words) to approach this thread for the answers and insight I thought it might afford.

I know I have only once daisy-chained some writing across a couple posts, but sense this is annoying to readers. At the same time I see that you all are readers here and could read five pages, but off the thread. I don't have a blog, but have a website, yet I do not have html skills worth a hoot. In case anyone has a good suggestion, I ask.

I cannot condense as I took my whole work day to write it after reading the document. I I have no time left. copied the document we where linked to here to a word file and PDF locally. I plan to share this. This is too important an issue to be minimalised or limited in response. (like;"Tell me about your life in 10 or more words." )

Any ideas? Sorry to waste the post on this, but I'm ethically stuck with a post I cannot place under the rules and practical limits here that we must honor.

Thanks for any thoughts.

ZG


reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 09:44 PM by kosmicjack
reply to post by Redge777



So by the earliest verifiable estimates 1979 is the date of origin. But the document refers to the 25th aniversary of the "manual". If believed, that would put the alleged origins in 1954.

I agree, some of the control aspects such as data and information manipulation would only be applicable to a modern information technology driven culture like we have today. Not so much 1979 and certainly not 1954. However, the methodologies of shocking the system and "input"/ "output" work in any time period.

ZeroGhost - As to how a member might post a large document or essay on ATS - I am really not sure. Maybe you should bring that question to the Board Issues and Questions Forum. I'm sorry I don't have a better idea for you, I'm sure you put a lot of thought and effort into writing it.


reply posted on 2-10-2007 @ 06:56 AM by Redge777
DING DING DING

I have a theory of where these documents may have originated. If not in exact form, at least the concepts that created them.

Herbert Hoover was picked as chairman of COMMISSIONS ON THE ORGANIZATION OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH it was from 1954

This committee did much more, it was 23 task force in all areas of government to handle the sprawling post ww2 deficit and societal inefficiencies (or maybe the FDR new deal the revolution against money control by the few)

Herbert Hoover was a staunch free enterprise capitalist, and the committee was loaded with big business heavy hitters.

Could these studies also have included social engineering, note that Hoover was a engineer, and we do not know how much info of the studies was released for general consumption.

It was only a few years after this study happened, that Eisenhower warned us of the "Defence Industrial Complex"

www.ecommcode2.com...
Initial studies were conducted by twenty-four task force committees, each delving into specific areas such as budgeting, personnel, national defense, the Executive Office of the President, public works, foreign affairs, and public welfare.

Some Herbert Hoover quotes
"A good many things go around in the dark besides Santa Claus.
Herbert Hoover"


"Once upon a time my political opponents honored me as possessing the fabulous intellectual and economic power by which I created a worldwide depression all by myself.
Herbert Hoover"



I looked at speeches where I assumed he was talking over the heads of most people with allegory and metaphor. I take them out of context unless you think in terms of allegory. In literal sense they do not say much of value until you read between the lines. This is very common, the double message can be used to speak to those in the know.

Here is a speech where he uses the adult/child metaphor
www.hooverassociation.org...
"The normal boy, a primitive animal, takes to competition and battle. In the days before our civilization became so perfect, he matched his wits with the birds, the bees, and the fish. Today he is separated from Mother Earth and all her works, except the weather.
...
Therefore, our proposal is to channel him into constructive joy, rather than destructive glee.
...
We must divert the boy's fine loyalties to the gang from fighting it out with fists to the winning of points. We must let off his explosive violence without letting him get into the police court."


The last two paragraphs in the speech (not here) compare control through manipulation and capitalism with control threw force and communism, it is a statement of system, 1984 vs Brave New World if you will.

In this speech just replace freemen with elite
www.hooverassociation.org...
"The tablets of free men, lost in the Dark Ages, were again handed down to the American people. Those tablets bore not only the words of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution but they expressed the very spirit of free men"
This sure sounds like the resurgence of old ideals of secret societies, Rome was not free, neither was Persia, or Egypt. And its wording fits the idea of the enlightened.

"If freedom is to live, we can no more have economic tyranny than we can have political tyranny. Representative government has not been maintained to the mastery of its own house."
He speaks of stopping the redistribution of the New Deal and the taking back control of wealth.

"Look still further and you will find not only inflation but that the intolerable taxes stifle initiative and are driving millions of our people to become more and more dependent upon the Government."
Right out of the manual.

"How many mistakes do we have to make before we learn that our genius lies in the invention, production and operation of great weapons? Our future is in these great weapons, not in bayonets"
This is the defence of the silent weapon, genius over force.

I found this speech, know that societies speak in code to each other, replace fish, with power and control, and fishermen with the elite. fishing with being around the elite not with the rabble
www.hooverassociation.org...
Moreover, while we are steadily organizing increased production of leisure time, the production of what to do with it still lags greatly. And the more leisure, the more crime
This matches what is in the document found by OP exactly


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reply posted on 2-10-2007 @ 09:44 AM by kosmicjack
reply to post by Redge777



Wow! Redge you are all over this like white on rice! (AT least that's how we say it in the south! You have done some amazing detective work lately in this and other threads. I need time just to go through it all.

I think the comparison that Hoover was drawing is strikingly like the rhetoric from the manual and the dates do correspond. And the timing of mainstream behaviorial management through drugs compared to when the article was written is definitely off. I had not even picked up on that. Great analysis.

It just gets more interesting doesn't it? Disturbing too.


reply posted on 2-10-2007 @ 10:13 AM by Redge777
Originally posted by pjsconcrete
Has anybody seen the movie They Live? In the movie the population was lulled into a state of semi-consciousnesswith constant subliminal messages and the only was to "wake up" was with special glasses.

How do we "wake up" from this?


You wake up by getting a pair of sunglasses just like in the movie. A new perspective. This has been being written about for years in pop culture, once you see it it is everywhere. Waking up is giving trust where trust is earned, not where we are told to trust, think for yourself, question learn and then speak.

Tripods episode here has the binoculars instead of sunglasses
www.youtube.com... part 3 episode 1

Night of the living dead, A bunch of people walking like zombies, what do they want to do, eat your brain and make you one of them

Planet of the apes: Humans living outside the apes have no voice, they cut your brain out if you speak, they lie they actually know the truth but hide it to keep their power over the real ancestors normal humans.

Matrix red or blue pill, you either go back to sleep or down the rabbit hole you go

Lord of the rings Do you take the ring of power?

And in Music
Check this clip out.
www.youtube.com...

How abouts Sting and message in a bottle, that is about realizing others have seen also and he sings of taking the ring of power, master becomes the slave to darkness.
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...

Emenem's Mosh
www.youtube.com...

And the one that was my pair of glasses, that woke me that started me down this dusty trail Buffy The Vampire Slayer Musical episode, No Kidding.
www.youtube.com...
myspacetv.com...
www.youtube.com...
I literally watched this episode over and over, then after many days, snap I woke up, I knew what the sliver was. It was like fighting through a fog, truly it was a change of ability to think, I removed my cap. Its different for everyone, but the idea that you have to live the way we wear meant to with kindness, and the courage to walk into the fire and reclaim the passion of what is right, to feel again... Ok enough about me

And Nickleback
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...


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