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Topic started on 27-9-2007 @ 07:08 PM by dntwastetime

Hate Bill passes Senate


www.truthtellers.org
By Rev. Ted Pike
27 Sep 07


By a vote of 60 to 39 this morning, Sens. Kennedy and Smith’s hate crimes amendment was attached to the defense authorization act. After three days of virtual silence, several Republican senators spoke against the bill within the two hours of debate. Sen. Lindsey Graham briefly argued that, if passed, the President will veto the hate bill and arms bill together, jeopardizing timely support of our troops
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[edit on 27-9-2007 by dntwastetime]


reply posted on 27-9-2007 @ 11:20 PM by djohnsto77
Here is a more clear, less biased explanation of the story:



ap.google.com...

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Democratic-led Senate on Thursday voted to let federal law enforcement help states prosecute attacks on gays, attaching the provision to a massive spending bill for the Iraq war and daring President Bush to veto the whole package.

The White House wasn't commenting on the prospects for a veto of the underlying defense authorization bill. But some Republicans warned that's just what would happen after the Senate voted by voice to accept the hate crimes amendment.

"The president is not going to agree to this social legislation on the defense authorization bill," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "This bill will get vetoed."



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



reply posted on 29-9-2007 @ 11:42 AM by Keyhole
I do not believe hate crimes should be treated any differently than any other crime. If somebody murders another person because they "hate" their race, religion, or whatever, or if they just hate the person and they murder them, what's the difference, it's still murder!

Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007

b) Grants-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General may award grants to State, local, and Indian law enforcement agencies for extraordinary expenses associated with the investigation and prosecution of hate crimes.



Why should hate crimes get "grants", if somebody is murdered, the end result is the same, somebody killed them. So, the US government would be more willing to spend more money to solve the murder of a person on their "hate" crimes watch list than they would for an ordinary US citizen?
Is solving one of those murders more important than solving the other one?

That's not right. That's just wrong!


reply posted on 9-10-2007 @ 07:53 PM by The Walking Fox
reply to post by Keyhole



You misunderstand the difference between a hate crime and a "regular" crime.

Let's say there are two murders.
One person is a cheating husband who got shot by his wife
The other is a guy who was killed by a skinhead for being Jewish.

The end result is the same - there are two people, both equally human, and both equally dead. That's not the issue, nobody is saying that one is "more important" than the other. The victims of the crime are not the issue at hand - it's the murderers.

The wife who got cheated on had a personal, specific reason for killing her husband, and is not at all likely to be a repeat offender. She gets her 25 years, with a chance of parole, and that's pretty much it.

The skinhead, on the other hand... he probably would have killed any Jewish person. And he's likely to do so again. He calls for a stiffer sentence because of this.

That's the key. Perpetrators o the hate crimes outlined in this bill tend to be repeat and indiscriminate (I know, ironic) offenders who are a danger to a large group of people for no reason other than one trait common to that group.


reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 04:44 PM by The Walking Fox
reply to post by icybreeze



Luckily, your opinion has no bearings an these things called "facts". Perpetrators of hate crimes - those defined in this bill - are proven threats to entire communities. They are, in fact, a type of terrorist. I've read your posts, and I'm prtty sure that you're of the "opinion" that the terrorists we currently have locked up shouldn't be looking at probation after five years, correct?
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