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Conspiracy of Silence on Syrian bombing

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posted on Sep, 27 2007 @ 08:22 PM
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stratfor is a zionist disinfo psyop. Just look at the kind of "information" they put out and you'll see what I mean.




posted on Sep, 27 2007 @ 08:52 PM
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there is a media blackout because isreal attacked someone and it was strategically important to disrupt whatever they attacked in demascus, syria because

hezbollah ,syria, and iran have been forced to work together recently to prepare for provocational attacks from isreal, and isreal's attack weakens the channel for guns,etc to be funneled into iran.

isreal had to go after lebanon last year and syria this month , to prep for an iran attack, they have till early 2009 to go after iran.

condolleza is looking to invite syria into a international diaglogue , which possibly supports peace, which neocons and the isreali lobby detest. it shall be funny to see if the economic and market shakings in the american financial sector (they will come, prob some bank runs as well) cause american's to be more pro war (i.e pro economic turn around) and support the isreal led iran attack within the next 18 months.

p.s when banks report there financial losses next month, you may want to look out below, the fed can't manufacture confidence, it can only provide heroin to addicts (who decided to deregulate lending standards and cut reserve amounts) , before the masses try to get their money out (like they did in europe) which was not related to subprime. cutting rates will do one thing though. it will hurt the dollar and cause inflation. look for a flight to safety (gold) to be a real possibility



posted on Sep, 27 2007 @ 10:58 PM
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Yes, I definently think one more slip up from either Syria or Iran and the guns start blazing. And rightfully so..... 12th century thinking along with nuclear technology scares the pants off most of the rational thinking minds..



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 02:33 AM
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Yes, I definently think one more slip up from either Syria or Iran and the guns start blazing. And rightfully so..... 12th century thinking along with nuclear technology scares the pants off most of the rational thinking minds..


You're not insinuating that the Bush admin and it's supporters are rational thinkers? If so please dont insult everyone's intellingence.

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posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 03:08 AM
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It sure is interesting how Hillary Clinton was allowed to be the one to break the N Korean ship story to America in the debate, this shows how tight she is with the Washington insiders, including the Bush crew.



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 09:47 AM
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So called "Agreements" are usually used by North Korea as a Timesink. Until they let Inspectors in, and after Inspectors install cameras and sealed reactors, NOTHING is signed and permanent under control.

There is much up behind the curtains of nearly all big countries at the moment. Intel reports mentioned that the current diplomat conversations and politican action is the same like back in th 60ties during the cuba crisis when the world was very close to a nuclear mayhem.

This is not a Conspiracy of Silence, its more a "loose lips sink ships". Now is the time where leaders need to choose a side and STAND firm. Something happend real soon, not sure what but I bet it wont be good.



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 12:06 PM
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None of us really know anything of the situation, so it is difficult to pass accurate judgement, but this much can be said -

Even if it was merely an Israeli incursion into Syrian airspace, the response from all parties is still less verbose than one would expect in such a situation.

So we draw the conclusion that there is a hush up going on, and that both Syria, Israel and any other international stakeholder (US, Iran, N. Korea etc.) benefit from the silence, at least for the time being.

The only situations that support this scenario as I see it are:

A) Syria knows that it has done wrong, Israel knows that the situation is now satisfactorily resolved, at least temporarily. Israel has little or no evidence that can realistically be presented for the purposes of propaganda.

B) Israel and any other state actors are unable to solidify a more forceful response at this time, due to any number of possible constraints. I am specifically thinking of the number of US troops currently tied up in the Middle East, and the diplomatic issues present when taking three sovereign states to task, specifically Syria, Iran & N. Korea.

I'd be interested in hearing any other theories as to how this mutual silence can be perpetuated.

S.

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posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 12:12 PM
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possible related article



"British intelligence sources have reported that the Israeli attack on Syria was a "true flag" attack originally designed to foreshadow a U.S. attack on Iran. After the U.S. Air Force push back against transporting the six cruise nuclear-armed AGM-129s to the Middle East, Israel went ahead with its attack on Syria in order to help ratchet up tensions between Washington on one side and Damascus, Tehran, and Pyongyang on the other."

earthboppin.net...
B-52 Nukes Were Headed for Iran: Airforce Refused


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posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 02:36 PM
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Probably hit nuke material from NK and chemical weapons we sold Iraq during the 80s. Would look bad for all involved is my guess. No way Washington stays hush hush on this unless we are protecting a spy, or trying to cover up some past mistake, IMHO



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 02:43 PM
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One possible reason so many countries are remaining silent is that they are all really worried. It may be that the "Nuclear Genie" that has been kept in the bottle for about 62 years has finally escaped - and everyone knows it. Maybe some renegade country or terrorist group has a nuke and is threatening to use it. Maybe everyone knows that a conflict is now inevitable and it can't be controlled. Maybe they are all scared "witless".

That is one possibility - I hope I am wrong.



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 07:25 PM
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Saw this on the news ... reporter was asking the President about it. Shhhhh ... News showed a North Korean shipped docked at Syria. Since North Korea has abandoned their nuclear program ... yeah ... me thinks they delivered something to Syria. Wonder what?



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 08:08 PM
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there is a media blackout because isreal attacked someone and it was strategically important to disrupt whatever they attacked in demascus, syria because

hezbollah ,syria, and iran have been forced to work together recently to prepare for provocational attacks from isreal, and isreal's attack weakens the channel for guns,etc to be funneled into iran.


Actually... Syria has every right to transport arms into Iran, an attack on Syrian supply lines to Iran would cause Syria to scream bloody murder to the UN.


The only reason Syria would be silent is that it does not want to reveal what got hit.. kind of like assume you carry illegal drugs, and someone steals them.. you wouldnt run to the cops?

Aside from that, Syria is a poor nation, Iran is a rich nation.... Iran develops weapons and purchases from western and eastern powers.... Syria's army can be compared to the 1960's at best.. Syria does not export to Iran, Iran exports to Syria, and both are supplied by both Russia and China.




isreal had to go after lebanon last year and syria this month , to prep for an iran attack, they have till early 2009 to go after iran.


Wrong again my friend. Lebanon was attacked because finally they where not officially under guard of Syria. Before the war, months to be exact, Syria had troops in every city.. then an attack against the Lebanese government (no one claimed responsibility) caused the Labanese to rout the Syrians form the territories.. the UN and the US came down hard on Syria if they did not leave. Had Israel attacked before Syria withdrew, Israel would have had to bomb both nations and use extensive ground forces in Syria. Now that Lebanon is gone, Syria would fall within hours without the second front to pull more Israeli aircraft from the fight..




condolleza is looking to invite syria into a international diaglogue


This woman has no power, and the leaders in the mid east laugh at her pathetic attempts at peace. Not once has an agreeable arrangement come from her.. I honestly fail to see why Bush appointed her.




cause american's to be more pro war (i.e pro economic turn around) and support the isreal led iran attack within the next 18 months


ISrael will never be involved in a war started by America. Not officially. Because If Israel joins, so does Egypt, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, oil traffic would be haulted and all hell would break loose. Even Turkey could not stand for such audacious moves by Israel... Ironically Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, even Syria and Iran where happy to see Saddam gone.. and they where glad to see us do it.. not because they thought him to have WMD's, but because he was the regional power, and all his neighbors feared him.. but had Israel been involved, if Jews came into play, the whole scene would have changed. Israel will NOT be involved in any war with Iran. They wouldn't be needed to begin with.

But I agree .. the populace is growing more pro war by the day. Which I find odd.




p.s when banks report there financial losses next month, you may want to look out below, the fed can't manufacture confidence, it can only provide heroin to addicts (who decided to deregulate lending standards and cut reserve amounts) , before the masses try to get their money out (like they did in europe) which was not related to subprime. cutting rates will do one thing though. it will hurt the dollar and cause inflation. look for a flight to safety (gold) to be a real possibility


Well said brother.. I think the economic fall out is being held out as long as possible, perhaps till right before the elections.. but who knows.. one cannot predict the future.

But if we look at the increasing war mongering from Europe, along with the United States.. and of course the brand new news of Vanesualla and Iran officially forming an Alliance, and asking Bolivia to join them.. it seems the making of WWIII before our very eyes, huh?



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 08:09 PM
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Terrapop,

This is a very interesting article that you allude to and would go some way in explaining the "conspiracy of silence" in this matter.....and thats on all sides, Syria included.

Now, I think the explanation making the rumour mills of nuclear material from North Korea being attacked is just to throw the public off what really may have taken place in the desert. That, and to add more fear mongering in the way of Iran, as in to warn and scare them some more.

The fact that Syria is very quiet on this I beleive is not because they have nuclear material, but something else....probably bigger.

Seriously, how far does a North Korean ship have to go from North Korea to Syria? And it was not detected all that way? I dont think that North Korea and Syria have a big trading partnership, that coupled with their axis of evil status, should have ensured a close watch on all things entering Syria would it not....especially the Israeli's? How could they not see something transfered from shipping to Syria, with how paranoid they are it seems almost impossible.

Now in relation to Terrapop's linked article -
fourwinds10.com...


Mossad veteran Uzi Arad’s statement to the American Newsweek News Service on this raid, and who is quoted as saying, "I do know what happened, and when it comes ou

t it will stun everyone."





Syria continues, to this day, their stringent denials of an Israeli airstrike, of any kind, on its territory; North Korea, likewise, has issued a denial of transferring nuclear material to the Middle East.




However, and according to these SVR reports, in the early morning hours of September 6th, an American Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft patrolling along the Syrian-Iraqi border alerted Israel’s Air Force to the entry of a ‘suspected non-terrestrial’ aircraft into Syrian airspace near the city of Aleppo 350 km north of Damascus.






These reports go on to state that upon receiving the ‘warning’ from the Americans, an Israeli Air Force Patrol squadron flying off the coast of Lebanon went into supersonic speed, raced into Turkish airspace, and in less than 20 minutes were over the ‘target area’ whereupon they ‘engaged’ an ‘unknown’ type of aircraft, and which upon being fired upon by the Israelis ‘ascended rapidly’ into the stratosphere and ‘disappeared’.

These reports do not identify the aircraft fired upon by the Israelis other than to mention that the American Air Force is suspected of having the World’s only aircraft capable of being classified as ‘non-terrestrial’ with hypersonic speed, and which has been called Aurora.


Now, lets try and put two and two together based on the above reports. The USAF AWACS picked up on their screens a non-terrestrial aircraft in Syrian airspace. Obviously it wasnt american if they felt the need to 'take the bird out of the sky immediately' and it must have posed a direct threat to them for them to do so, correct?

Now, The only 'sort-of' known non-terrestrial aircraft is the hypersonic Aurora that many on ATS have rumoured to have details on.

If this attack was on an Aurora, was the pilot maybe trying to defect?

Was he on a covert Black-ops mission that the US Airforce & Government didnt know about but found out and tried to stop?

Was it possibly a Russian 'non-terrestrial' craft they fired upon?

Or something else all together? Possibly, the Syrians have been in contact with extra-terrestrial and getting technology off them and one of their 'ships' was intercepted?

The other thing mentioned by previous posts was how did Israel manage to get so far into Syrian airspace without getting detected?

I put this to you fellow ATS'ers........I think Israel may have an Aurora themselves and this may be used to launch a strike on Iran in the future.

And when it does, you'll be seeing reports of no one picking up on their radars the Israeli planes at all.

Also, for those with more flying experience than me, if an Israeli jet was patrolling off the coast of Lebanon as the above article states, could it realistically be in the target area within 20minutes via Turkish airspace? Wasnt this attack near the Syrian/Iraqi border?

Looking at the following map of the middle east -





For the Israeli jets to fly over turkish airspace they would have been near the Turkish city of Adana as seen on the map. Now for them to fly from that area over that little piece of Turkey through Syria towards the Syrian/Iraqi border, that looks like a fair distance to travel in 20minutes, including seeking and destroying another aircraft.

Am I right in concluding that this entire story doesnt make sense and the truth is too disturbing to reveal for all sides to sit quiet on this matter?

It is very wrong and the story used to cover the incident is slowly unravelling and the more we look into it, the closer we will all hopefully get.

Keep it up.



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 08:45 PM
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Heres some more info I found while googling the subject of our investigations here-

www.israelnationalnews.com...


The attack was significant, the channel's military affairs reporter said, and was probably carried out against a large and important target that justified taking this kind of extreme action at such a sensitive time in Israeli-Syrian relations.

The target hit was in the Deir Ez-Zour region in eastern Syria, near the Euphrates river. The attack was carried out by Israel Air Force (IAF) F-15i jets (The 'i' stands for 'Israel'), referred to in Hebrew as Ra'am, or 'thunder.' Anti-aircraft fire from the ground was ineffective, Channel 1 said.


So now we know the aircraft used was an F-15 and the area was Deir Ez-Zour on the Euphrateus river. We'll heres a map for you to see exactly where we are talking about-


I couldnt embed it here it wouldnt work for some reason, but by clicking the link you can see that the target area was in the far eastern side of Syria bordering Iraq.

I still find it funny that they werent detected or shot down flying all that distance.

Would turkey have had to have been notified if they flew over its airspace?

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posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 09:04 PM
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Actually... Syria has every right to transport arms into Iran, an attack on Syrian supply lines to Iran would cause Syria to scream bloody murder to the UN.


Hmm really well it would be illegal if the cargo was something exported from North Korea in breach of UN resolutions. It would also be illegal if it was an act of nuclear arms or missile proliferation in breach of the NPT.

A shipping agent at Singapore was arrested following the air raid for procuring prohibited export cargo for that shipment.

Where did the cargo come from then ?
North Korea or Myanmar ?

Incidentally acts of war other than in self defence are illegal and if North Korea were shipping something to arm Syria for war against Isreal then the air raid would be a perfectly legal act of self defence.

Interesting to note a mullah with sympathies to Iran who had recruited Fedayeen in 2004 was executed in a mosque at Alleppo ... as that Mossad ?



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by sy.gunson

Incidentally acts of war other than in self defence are illegal


Incidently.......does this apply to the United States or are they exempt from such laws?

I didnt see Iraq threatening to invade the US......oh! I forgot, that was the spin Bush used to justify the invasion.

Now where did most if those Hijackers come from?

Did someone say Saudi Arabia?

Well, if attacking in self defence is the rule to follow, then the United states didnt "self-defend" itself towards Saudi now did they........

Gee, these international rules of engagement are complicated aren't they? or is that just because we change the rules of the game to suit us as we play along?





posted on Sep, 29 2007 @ 01:36 AM
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Much of the following is derived from an earlier post I made on the "Barksdale Bent Arrow Incident" elsewhere on ATS.

I submit it here and now because, as possibly far-fetched as it might seem on the surface, the scenario does tend to fit many of the strange, puzzling, and outright frightening "facts", as we have come to know them, occurring in recent days.



The possibility exists, if the MSNBC regarding the recent "Barksdale Incident" news story is true, that US nuclear weapons stockpile security could have been compromised one or more times, over the last several years. This breach of security and control could have concieveably lead to the "mis-appropriation" of one or more nuclear warheads; including sophisticated variable-yield warheads designed to be deployed by platforms as small as a cruise missle.

Israel recently conducted an otherwise unprovoked air raid on Syria. Latest reports claim that the raid was in response to intelligence indicating the presence of "nuclear material" possibly supplied by North Korea, possibly either intended for a nascent Syrian nuclear program, or for eventual shipment to Syrian-ally, Iran.

Reports indicate that Israel shared intelligence, gathered by its Special Forces teams in Syria, with the US prior to conducting the air strike on Syria. It has also been reported that it was on the basis of this intelligence, said to have confirmed the "presence of 'nuclear' material" in Syria, that the US gave its OK to Israel to procede with the strike.


Could this evidence of "nuclear material" have been something as simple as a photograph of the serial number stamped on a US nuclear warhead in Syrian posession?


The US has recently (and not so recently!) charged that the People's Republic of China has at least attempted to hack into Pentagon computers.


Scenario:


China gains access to US nuclear warhead serial number files by hacking into US military databases. Chinese hackers alter the serial numbers to one or more (likely more) warheads, particularly those that can be deployed by missles, and disguises them as non-nuclear, possibly obsolete dummies, targeted for disposal.

China thus acquires working samples of US nuclear warheads.

But to what end?

It is highly unlikely that the US would ever publicly admit that any of its nukes have turned up missing, or that the security of its nuclear arming codes has ever been compromised.

Assuming that the Chinese could eventually defeat/disable/bypass the security systems built into the warheads (which, with the resources of a world power, we must assume they could), what could they do with such knowledge and a few "stolen" US nukes?

China supplies North Korea with the device that "Lil' Kim" sets off not so long ago. NK thus gains access to the world's "Nuclear Power Club"", and a huge bargaining chip in future negotiations with the West.

The "fizzle" was actually a "stolen" US nuke set to its lowest possible yield; the test actually intended to determine if the Chinese hackers had gotten the codes right. They did.


Perhaps that why North Korea has suddenly decided to "play nice" and shut down its "nuclear (weapons) program",

Perhaps NK never actually had a nuclear weapons program of its own to "shut down"?

Its easy to "give up" something you never had in the first place.


And how clever of the North Koreans (and thier Chinese "advisors") to truthfully declare that they "were not trying to develop nuclear weapons" (the weapons were already developed by the US!), knowing full wel that, at least publically, the Western powers could never admit to believing them!

That would have upset the whole "War On Terror" Axis of Evil" image so carefully sold to the Western public.


China, in a bold Mid-East power-play, through its friend/ally/client North Korea, supplies Syria with a nuclear warhead small enough to fit on a missle, such as a Syrian Scud-C, along with its arming and control codes, originally of US origin.

It is highly likely that, given the current political climate, Washington, D.C. would more than welcome the opportunity to link the discovery of "nuclear materials"in Syria to Iran if at all possible.

China has long-standing relations with North Korea. North Korea has long-standing relations with Syria. Syria has long-standing relations with Iran. Iran has long-standing relations with...China. Let the circle be unbroken!


So...

Syria nukes Israel. Tel Aviv or Hiafa are possible targets (my money's on Hiafa).

Who does Isreal retaliate against?

By tracking the missle, it is obvious to Israeli defenses that the missle was luanched from nemisis, Syria. But Syria is not known to even have the wherewithall to have developed an missle-deployable nuclear weapon.

And Lo and Behold! Analysis of the nuclear debris reveals the warhead's source to the United States!

Weakened, bloodied, apparently betrayed by their closest ally, the "Special Relationship" which has allowed Isreal to act forcefully in ME politics as a US proxy-state, is strained to the point of ineffectiveness.

The net result is that the US/Israeli hold on the ME is at long last broken, and the way is made clear for a new power to rise: Iran.

Iran, with all its gas, oil, and nuclear power reserves.

Iran, with its dear old friend, China.



posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 09:32 AM
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Your right, the story doesn't make sense. Many sources with just ridiculous claims out there on this matter. I still believe it was just outstanding piloting utilizing nap of the earth to sneak into Syria undetected. Utilizing previous information and passive instruments, the pilots know the hotspots to fly around and where to fly extremely low to avoid detection.



posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by on_yur_6
I still believe it was just outstanding piloting utilizing nap of the earth to sneak into Syria undetected. Utilizing previous information and passive instruments, the pilots know the hotspots to fly around and where to fly extremely low to avoid detection.


Well, here is a update:

Report: Israel blinded Syrian radar


After Israeli missile strike on Syria confirmed by both sides, the question remains – how did Israel's non-stealth jets infiltrate Syrian airspace undetected? US aerospace experts tell Aviation Week magazine that Israel used new US-developed technology that lets users invade and manipulate enemy communication networks


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posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 08:31 PM
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Here's more information on how Israel waltzed through Syria and the US will have free reign of Iran.


Report: Israel 'blinded' Syrian radar

After Israeli missile strike on Syria confirmed by both sides, the question remains – how did Israel's non-stealth jets infiltrate Syrian airspace undetected? US aerospace experts tell Aviation Week magazine that Israel used new US-developed technology that lets users invade and manipulate enemy communication networks

Ynet

Source: www.ynetnews.com...


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