Hasn't every single study shown no connection between vaccination and psychological disorders?

Yet no matter what study is done, some will still go with the conspiracy theory. Myself I put this one far out there like the "fake" moon landing theory.

Originally posted by FredT
Also, if you do not want your child immunized then home school them and as an Insurance company they should not have to pay for these kids if they get sick with a preventable disease they could have recieved an immunization for. My rates go up because YOU want to be trendy

What I have quoted from your post above underscores how very broken the US health care system is and unfortunately raises questions about the core values held by US Americans.

Rather than having a primary concern for the most vulnerable in the USA -- such as the children of the USA -- the primary concern in your post seems to be the financial cost of one's insurance.

The ever-increasing numbers of autistic US American children should present enough of a crisis to demand a halt to the MMR vaccination at the very least until further work can be done to address the causes of the autism crisis in the USA (1 out of every 150 born in the USA now estimated closer to 1 out of 75). The financial burden of a society beset with so many autistic citizens should give the financially pragmatic great pause before worrying about insurance rates.

Autism has been linked in quite a few cases to food additives and chemicals, especially red dye 40.

I'm not convinced of the vaccine connection in any way. Considering our environment is so highly polluted these days, with people working with computers all day and being surrounded by more electrical devices than ever before, I personally think that singling thimerisol out as the single culprit is just making a scapegoat instead of looking at the whole picture and stopping whatever the real culprits are.

It's never just one thing in complex disorders like this one.

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
Autism has been linked in quite a few cases to food additives and chemicals, especially red dye 40.

The linkage to red dye 40 brings up another important point. It should not be used in medicines given to children in particular. It needs more study, proper study, but it is another one of those items that should not be used as a matter of care for children -- rather than waiting for a study to finally come out and say conclusively that red dye 40 is a disaster for the human being. There is a diagnosable allergy to red dye 40 that also speaks to its being pulled from use.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
What I have quoted from your post above underscores how very broken the US health care system is and unfortunately raises questions about the core values held by US Americans.

Ah the joys of growing up in a society where kids simply don't die from polio, rubella, et al. Have you ever taken care of a child who has died from any of these preventable illnesses?

Just a few years ago we could bank on at least seeing 10-15 meningiococcimia cases in the PICU each and every year. Two years ago we had 2, last year 1, none so far this year. Why? immunzations have changed this life threating disease from a routine part of the year to an anomoly.

I quoted your post because it underscores exactly what is wrong with most US citizens. They whole "Not my fault" mentality. If you do not want your children immunized then why should the rest of us shoulder the burden? Why make a moral case out of it. Its not like you had no choice in the matter eh? You chose to put your child at risk. You chose to play the lottery with the life of your child. But hey like I said its all well and good if its on someone elses tab eh?

Could the increase of autism cases be a result of improved diagnostic and a broadend criteria . Thimerosal has been phased out of most vaccinations starting in 1999 (some flu shots still have it). So where is the decline in Autism diagnosis?

But having been on the board for some time and faught this battle time and time again with the anti vaccine crowd it is unlikely that any study no matter how braod or detailed will bump you from your position eh?

Originally posted by FredT
I quoted your post because it underscores exactly what is wrong with most US citizens. They whole "Not my fault" mentality. If you do not want your children immunized then why should the rest of us shoulder the burden? Why make a moral case out of it. Its not like you had no choice in the matter eh? You chose to put your child at risk. You chose to play the lottery with the life of your child. But hey like I said its all well and good if its on someone elses tab eh?

Every cure we need is put on this earth by nature. There is no amount of synthetic chemicals that are needed for children to be healthy and disease-free. The FDA has pulled the wool over the eyes of the public for decades and now the tables are turning. You can continue to believe the lies but the rest of us are choosing to be a little wiser.

There is not ONE study without serious methodological problems that links the infinitesimally small concentrations of thimerisol in vaccines to ANY health problem.

Originally posted by FredT
And back to the point. If the dreaded additive is gone, what is the beef now?

The "beef" is that children who are raised as vegetarians or vegans and unvaccinated are the healthiest and smartest kids, so why do they need vaccinations that are going to just insure a multitude of illnesses in their future? And why would anyone trust ANYTHING that comes from the FDA or pharmaceutical companies given their track record of lies and deceit? And why would anyone want to pump synthetic chemicals into their children?

Originally posted by annestacey
Every cure we need is put on this earth by nature. There is no amount of synthetic chemicals that are needed for children to be healthy and disease-free.

your killing me here. really now? well, what exactly was the life expectancy before the advent of antibiotics and vaccines? Polio, typhoid etc etc. Yes, that mentality works when your considered your life to be long if you saw 50. How many kids never made it past 5? 10? etc.

Are you really serious? you simply cannot believe that eh?

Originally posted by FredT

Ah the joys of growing up in a society where kids simply don't die from polio, rubella, et al. Have you ever taken care of a child who has died from any of these preventable illnesses?

No, I have not taken care of a child who died from the diseases you list or indicate. One of my children died of leukemia, and as a consequence I am not unfamiliar with caring for a child who suffers until death.

I object to the shoddy science that went into the first Polio vaccine and has characterised the U.S. methodology since that inaugust beginning. Vaccines that turn out to be crap shoots with children's lives is the target I have in view. Independent investigation, thorough-going scientific evaluation and review, the complete banning of mercury contaminated agents, spot analysis of batches ... a host of items of a similar order would give me a more favourable opinion of the use of such things on children. But playing the lottery with children's lives without certainty about what the vaccines are actually doing ... no thanks. Never in a thousand million years.



[edit on 26/9/07 by Pellevoisin]

It was my understanding that America lags behind the rest of the Western world in life expectancy, and we are the most under-insured of all industrial nations. We have more people here who don't have health insurance, and therefore, no medical care, than anywhere else in the developed nations. We have the highest or one of the highest rates of infant mortality.

I think it is precisely because people are not getting access to Western medicine, including vaccinations, that we are living shorter lives and losing more kids than anywhere else in the West. Even some "third world" countries have better life expectancy and infant mortality rates than we do.

Does anyone know what the rate of vaccination is in European countries as compared to their autism rates? I don't know, so I'm asking. But this would be a good place to compare -- if Europeans get similar numbers of vaccines to American children which include the same or very similar preservatives, and if their autism rates are lower, then it is probably something else.

Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by annestacey
Every cure we need is put on this earth by nature. There is no amount of synthetic chemicals that are needed for children to be healthy and disease-free.

your killing me here. really now? well, what exactly was the life expectancy before the advent of antibiotics and vaccines? Polio, typhoid etc etc. Yes, that mentality works when your considered your life to be long if you saw 50. How many kids never made it past 5? 10? etc.

Are you really serious? you simply cannot believe that eh?

If those people knew how to utilize natural foods, herbs and supplements... they wouldn't need modern medicine. Even today, diseases like cancer can be treated and easily prevented using natural foods and herbs, but the FDA will deny it because their money is made by people being sick, not well.