posted on Sep, 27 2007 @ 10:20 AM
MANTIC: You are WRONG..They CANNOT ' haul you to the station ', that is a false arrest. You CANNOT be taken anywhere by a cop, unless you are under
arrest for probable cause. Advice like yours is dangerous and WRONG.
Sure, crooked cops can make you wait, IF you are a fool and sit there waiting with them!! If a cop is writing you a ticket, they can make you wait
as long as a NORMAL ticket would take, no more, or the search is illegal, and all fruits from that search are therefore excluded. Cops DO NOT have any
rights to make you wait around; just keep asking if you are free to leave. Keep track of the time; cops know that if they croos the line they lose;
most citizens simply do not know their rights.
Cops CANNOT use your refusal to consent to a search as probable cause for any further actions. No way. Here is the way it works: If a cop asks for
your consent to search and you say NO, they have a choice: Either let you go or write a ticket. If they start the ' wait for a dog ' crap, the clock
is ticking. If the wait takes longer than a normal ticket would take to write, then your rights have been abused and any evidence siezed will be
excluded. You CANNOT be made to wait around all day for some dog.
Lets say a dog does arrive very shortly afterward, and the handler is a criminal and liar like most cops are, and says that the dog alerted. If in
fact nothing is found after that, then you have good cause for a lawsuit against the cops for violating your civil rights. Obviously if nothing was
found then the alert the dog made was likley faked by the handler, and your continued detention on the side of the road is illegal.
In ANY CASE, the best thing to do ALWAYS is refuse consent; even if you DO have contraband in your car, better to let your attorney have some
ability to challenge the search in court; if you give consent, you will LOSE any later attempt to show that the search was improper. So NEVER give
The worst that can happen is that you will end up charged, but will have the law on your side at least as far as a search goes; if you give the cops
consent, you have lost. Cops,. once again, CANNOT haul you anywhere just because you do not give consent. Why do so many people believe that cops can
just grab citizens and their vehicles and transport them around town just because you do not give consent? It is NOT TRUE!!
If a cop takes you into custody, which is what happens when you are no longer free to leave the scene, then you are under arrest and should remain
totally silent until your attorney arrives. You CANNOT be taken to some ' station ' and later released, that would ba a false arrest. You have the
RIGHT to remain free unless probable cause exists that shows you have committed a crime. No probable cause, no legal arrest. No probable cause can be
inferred from one's refusal to give consent. Your refusal CANNOT be used against you. Your refusal CANNOT be seen as suspicious by a cop and used to
get probable cause, no way.
It is a GAME, a BLUFFING game, like poker, and unless you are a player, you will get blufeed by the cops; they play it all day, lying and cheating
and bending the rules, but the deck is the same one used everywherte and the cops cannot change the game. Just learn how to play it.
So, in summary: You CANNOT be taken away from the scene unless you are under arrest. You CANNOT be hauled to some police station for them to search
your car; either they search it legally or they search it illegally or they do not search at all. Most of the time, if you say NO, I do NOT give
consent to search, the cops will back off.They KNOW that consent is their biggest trick in their book to use, and you must not play along.
Do NOT listen to what the cops say: They will ask you WHY you will not give consent, ignore them. They will bluster and try and intimidate, but it
is all bluff. Let them KNOW that you are fully aware of your rights and will NOT be bullied into giving them up. Answer NO questions whatsoever, just
give your ID and remain silent. That is the best way of all. It tells the cops that if they make a mistake with you, they will pay for it. Cops have
too many easy busts out there from stupid and weak people who do not know their rights, they do not want scrutiny and trouble in court and lawsuits so
they tend to back off when they run into a citizen who knows the score and cannot be intimidated.
Never ever give consent, no matter what they say. Stand firm. ALL attorneys advise this, all. I have NEVER met an attorney who advised a client to
either give consent or talk to the cops and answer any questions. No attorney would ever suggest such a thing. They always advise being quiet,
refusing consent, and writing down all details, the TIME stopped, the names of the cops, HOW LONG you were told to wait after a dog was called. How
long it took for the dog to arrive. Watch the handler closely and make notes of any words, gestures, sounds, etc. that the handler makes. This is
critically important for later.
If a cop tells you that you are NOT free to leave, then consider yourself under arrest for all practical purposes and of course say NOTHING at all.
Answer NO questions. Cops CANNOT charge you with ' interfering ' or any other nonsense for remianing silent, although they will LIE and suggest
this, as seen in the video of the kid with the scum cop in St. Louis. The cop there threatened to arrest the kid for ' not following orders ', and
it was a lie. Orders from a cop must be LAWFUL, and there are very few LAWFUL orders they can give. Cops do NOT have the right to simply give orders
and we have to obey, no way. Only lawful orders, and they only pertain to custody or safety, NOT giving up Constitutional rights.
Cops are horrible liars and scum for the most part, and they HATE the Constitution and the rights we have ; it stops them from being all powerfull
and able to dominate us totally. So realize that cops are the enemy, the bad guys, the one's who want to ruin your life and destroy your
Constitution, and see them for what they are. You owe them NOTHING! You do NOT have to answer ANY questions at all, none. Just give ID and wait and
refuse to give consent, and either they will let you go or they will violate you and then at least you have cause for a suit against them. Any other
way is nuts.
You have to train yourself to be strong and tough and not be bullied by the cops; Just say NO to the cops.