Anyone in high school? Do you HAVE to have your ID Card??

Originally posted by sc2099
reply to post by anxietydisorder

 

How is the faculty making you wear an ugly necklace infringing on people's freedom? It doesn't track you in your movements even on campus - it's just a piece of plastic. It's just part of the dresscode, and if people hate it so much, they can just be homeschooled or move to a district that doesn't have an ID policy.

It infringes on your right to privacy not to announce to the entire world who you are. A card that could be easily concealed in your pocket like a drivers license is one thing, but a card around the neck is entirely another thing.

Also, these cards are not just for seeing who is on campus, it is tracking everything you check out from the library, and what you bought and how much you bought from the lunch lady. They are already starting to compile information about you.

I wouldn't be surprised if that number on your Id card was also attached to your student file of you. You know the one that lists all your grades, medical history, personal identification, any comments teachers have made about you, and any thing else they want to put in there.

How easy would it be for someone to seal the ID, and make fakes? Someone who is not suppose to be on campus, could easily go on campus if they look young enough and have a fake ID.

Technically, students don't have a choice to move to another school, or to be home schooled. The parents would have to decide that. Most of the time parents don't, can't, or won't do either.

Welcome to the "Brave New World".

Yea we all have a ID "number", but what I dont understand is why in high school we have to have IDs and not in elementary school?


And I would go crazy if I had to wear my ID on my clothes, luckily we dont have to do that.....yet.....


We just need it on us and we must show it if asked if not you'll be kicked off campus, and as of a week ago must show it to buy lunch..... But still pay in cash it isnt like a credit card system??? So nothing has changed from 2 years ago but now they scan your card?? Wth

I'm a high school student at the moment. Every student is issued an ID card, and we are supposed to keep it on us at all times.

Do I need it to buy food at lunch? No. I always pay in cash.

Do I need it to check out a book from the library? No. I recite my number to the librarian.

I had a student ID in elementary school as well, but only, as I recall, for fifth and sixth grades. When I moved into middle school, I was assigned a different number, which is still my student ID.

This trend troubles me. I'm not a number, but I seem to be classified as one.

Yea the thing that really puzzles me is we always pay in cash and still need our IDs scanned. There is no money on the cards, they are scanned for no reason. Anyone explain this to me?

Originally posted by racerzeke
they are scanned for no reason. Anyone explain this to me?

Most school food service programs are heavily subsidize by government programs. I suspect that they want to ensure that no one other than students are using the service when they don't have the right to eat there.

Originally posted by racerzeke
As my history teacher says, "you have less rights here than a inmate at San Quentin"

(A California Federal Prison? What area are you in?)

While I surely hope that that is not the case, with the way things are going, I fear that it may be.

It's been a little over ten years since I was in High School, but while I was there, the only real reason it was used for was to make sure that you were a Junior/Senior to be able to go off campus during lunch. To this day, Why that was, I really don't know. (I came in at the right time. My Freshman year, we were still allowed to go off campus. My Junior year, the Freshmen weren't allowed to go off campus, but the Sophmores were. After that, it was only the Juniors and Seniors that were allowed to go off campus during lunch.)

As for it being required to have an ID now for something as simple as buying lunch, I have no idea whatsoever as to why anyone would think that would be necessary. Even more so with how people seem to think today with having that type of services being made available to each and every student no matter what their situation may be. I happen to be one of those people, but sometimes, rules can just so far that they become a bad thing. In that respect, I just don't get what those who made those rules were thinking.

I dont understand is it preparing us for things to come? When I walk do the street do I have to have a drivers license?

Each state has their own laws, but in California, (You mentioned San Quentin, so I assume you are also in California.) it is my understanding that yes, anytime you are just walking down the street, and a police officer askes you for a form of identification, you are required to provide it.

Any others who are also in California, if I am wrong, please let me know. I would really like to know that I am in fact wrong here.



[edit on 5-10-2007 by Americantrucker]

American society has gone crazy. Here is what my "collage" in europe was like:

- Free to come and leave the school whenever I wanted
- Card + code only used to enter school and computer labs
- No guards of any kind
- No cameras of any kind

And hey, I didnt get blown up by terrorists! There was never even a fight between people. Everybody got along. Can you even imagine that in the US?

Maybe get a clue and realize that you wont get a peaceful society by threatening and controlling people? What you do is talk to people and try to find out why they are acting the way they are, and try to change it. You dont assume they are born as trouble makers and start policing them around. That is a sure way to get them to hate the police, commit new crimes and probably end up in jail sooner or later.

Everybody has reasons for being the way they are. If you talk to them and find out those reasons, you can often help them solve their problems so they change their behavior.

In the end, I think its about your view of people. If you dont like people, you will try to control them. If you like people, you will make the effort and try to change their negative behavior by education and support. Just think of how you would treat your family member if they were acting in ways that were destructive and negative. You would try to learn more and help them.

Why not apply the same to strangers?


[edit on 5-10-2007 by Copernicus]

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This is what my school will be very soon Man this sucks, and how will this crap help safety??? No ID get him!! oh wait he is a student just give him saturday school??? I mean what the hell

reply to post by Mystery_Lady


Ridiculous. Brave New World? Please. All of the information you mentioned is in fact tied to a number but *gasp* it's your social security number and that has nothing to do with whether you wear an ID or not. Tracking which books you're checking out? Well better close up all the libraries in the world then because people can't know what I'm reading and how long I've had the books that taxpayers paid for. Tracking lunch purchases? And what would be done with THAT precious information?

Now what would someone do with a fake high school ID? Skip the classes they're not in? Check out books or eat disgusting lunch in the caf? If someone wants to steal your identity, they steal your SSN, not your high school ID. If someone wants to use your picture against you they'd use your driver's license or state ID. The whole idea is laughable that a school ID is infringing on students' rights. The ID isn't "out there for the whole world to see." That is unless the student chooses to wear it outside of school. Otherwise, they match every single other person in the school.

Honestly, these things are just there so that the district feels like they're covering their bums in the event of an unforseen emergency situation. It's not hurting anyone so here's a thought, spend the short time you have in school studying and having fun. Those four years are short.

They are basically just bar codes around your necks. The student number on the cards are all part of a database that allows for the students to be cataloged eaiser, like the plan to make National ID cards for all British citizens.

How about a ID to ride the school buses, any have any opinions on that?

Originally posted by racerzeke
Hmm I dont know honestly

But there is a bar code on there that they can scan.....



Man I hate my school

They can care less about their students, they just care about their reputation. How does a school get its reputation? The students. They scare you into doing good for them. I've been in High School for 3 years now and every single year I hear how we are the worst of the best and how we have to keep on improving. They punish so you do everything they want, forgot your book because you took it home because the lockers arent even owned by the school so and vandalism to them is not the schools fault? Too bad, you get detention, 3 detentions equals 4 hours on Saturday, 3 of those equals suspension.


You have to be kidding me I feel like I'm in a military school, and I know you'll all say it's tougher in college or whatever but this is a public high school man!

And for the IDs, what are they going to get out of IDing people for lunch? This isnt for discounted lunch this is required for every person no matter what. It already takes 25minutes to get lunch out of a 30 minute lunch, add the carding into there it will defiantly make you miss lunch or very close to the bell. I mean if you're not a student at the school which is the main purpose of carding, how is a non student buying lunch gonna hurt? If anything it helps them make money off of their light bulb heated overpriced crap.

PROTEST MAN!!

Get 200 or so kids to burn the Id cards or microwave them for a min or 2.

When I was in High School things were much different we had hall passes ( wood blocks you carry to the washroom), then it was late slips you get 2 a month if you were and late and didn't have one you couldn't goto class so id smoke pot and cause trouble instead schools methods are ridiculous.

In Australia we only get our ID card if we pay our school fees. School is compulsory, and because of this I know of many people who do not pay school fees, therefore they do not receive and ID card. No, ID cards, here, are not compulsory.

I don't think our school even has any type of ID card. I've never heard anything of any ID card. And it's a normal high school for sure.

My highschool makes the ID part of your school life. You need to get into the school? Swipe your ID card You want to buy lunch? Swipe your ID card. You want free breakfast? Swipy Swipy! You get into trouble? SHOW ME YOUR ID! Don't wanna carry cash? Swipe your ID and place money on it!

I can understand the getting into school with IDs only, but swiping it for every single thing is kind of annoying..

I think the school showed its real intentions...... to make some easy cash.


Here is a article from my school newspaper on the subject, the parts in blue I thought were interested. The 3% charge may not be much for lets say 3 bucks a day on lunch and break which is aprox. 9 cents a day, not much right? Well if you times that by 180 schools days thats 16 bucks a student, then you times that b 2700 students you get 43740, thats not bad in one school year to pull out 45 grand of profit off of pretty much nothing. The system was fine before they have no reason to change.........


Plus you add just the pure profits from the food that they buy in bulk for cheap and sell to us for way overcharged prices

[edit on 10/14/2007 by racerzeke]

Sorry I forgot the link and I just caught it a day later here it is ifanyone cares, sorry

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[edit on 10/15/2007 by racerzeke]

We had to have our ID cards in high school when I attended from 2002 - 2006 but during my 4 years of HS I was only asked to present my ID card maybe twice. Those who dident have one/lost theirs were escorted by security to the ID card making room and had to pay a $5 fee for a new one. Security is very lax in my school district.

The community college I attend currently also issues ID cards but I believe that is more to help with signing in at the computer labs, checking out books at the library, presenting it to cafeteria staff so you get the "free food for students/staff" etc then for security reasons.

Originally posted by racerzeke
How about a ID to ride the school buses, any have any opinions on that?

Yeah, I have an ID at my school. We have to wear it around our necks. It has a barcode and our pic on it. The barcode is for our lunch and thats really it. The ID serves pretty much no other purpose for us, unless a teacher wants to properly identify a student. Like if we want to buy something else we can't use the ID. Only thing that card has access to is the lunch system.

At first I questioned it but, it's really not that big of a deal. I do notice that our school is ran like a prison. We have no windows in the classrooms, hallway survalience, and some other stuff of that sort. The back areas of the school is surrounded by a fence with barb wire on the top (When we go back there I joke with my friend "Back to Aushwhitz" but really the fences are to keep people from getting on the equipment out there.

Probably the biggest level of survalience at the school is the computer system. Although it's not regurally monitored. My computer teacher tells us when it's monitored or not. When it's not we can play games and such, when it's not she just blocks access so it looks like we are not even useing it.

The school is pretty restrictive but, the security is VERY lax so it's easy to get away with things. But my school isn't that bad. It's your normal, local school, but it's a good one.