Yes, but it's mob rule. if one person wants to stand up, they can, but that doesn't automatically mean you'll be accepted. One of the great ironies of freedom of speech is that you can say whatever the hell you want, but there is nothing on you being shut up or not. Ok, so you have a right to speak, and the masses a right to shut you up, not the gov. You have a right to speak, not to be accepted. For this reason, people can be overthrown in our nation. Obviously the prez, or who ever owns his mouth as a puppet for that day, can say what they want, but the people don't like it with the polls being at 30-28% and all, thus he is rejected. Overthrown maybe in the near future.

For you, my dear friend, this goes with religion. The mob rule says that they want religion. So, they have a right to say shut up. When atheism become mainstream in about 10-15 years, then you can say shut up to religious folk like me, then we'll have the majority and do the same, and the pattern shall continue forever.

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I won't shut up...I like to get under people's skins...if it makes them uncomfortable it's only because they know it's too close to the truth. It is most enjoyable.

really interesting thread, im an atheist and i live in england, luckily nearly every single person i know or have met is an athiest and those that arent are normally agnostic. Personally i dont believe religions should have any part in politics or education both should deal in known facts and not be tainted. Only evidence should sway an opinion religion lacks it, so important decisions should not be based upon on it, but then again are there any WMD's in the bible . Anti athiesm, well not where i am but on the net yeah but then there is anti/pro everything on the net, which is a good thing

Originally posted by Gorman91
Any who, the states can say what they want, when I go there, they don't teach what it says in any science books. It's kind of like illegal legality, or basically, it's illegal, but no one there cares, so the mob rule makes it legal.

yea, that's so great. let's overthrow the experts here and say that we know better...

Atheists in charge, I think, would likely lead to a communist state. This isn't with all atheists, just some.

What evidence do you have that would lead you to believe this is true? As far as I know, most atheists who live in the US are in favor of Democracy.

Keep in mind that because atheists don't believe in a heaven or re-incarnation, this life and all lives have more meaning. I'm sure not all atheists feel this way but I am willing to bet that most do as they don't believe they have the opportunity to fix things in the next life.

Gorman, no offense, seriously, but you really need to let go of this idea that atheism and communism are bedmates. That was Stalin's gig, using atheism as a tool to advance communism. And as I mentioned before, his version of atheism wasn't really atheism, it was statolatry.

As an atheist, and as an individual, I would much prefer to see our country go just a little on the socialist side, providing better for all its people in the form of universal health care, but also as an atheist and an individual, I still enjoy and appreciate the fruits of living in a (supposedly) free capitalist society.

I think that a mistake is being made by many religious people in assuming that atheists are all of a like mind. That couldn't be farther from the truth. The only thing that ALL of us agree on is that we see no evidence of a god, so we don't believe in one.

Otherwise, atheists represent the entire gamut of human society, not just communism.

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction


As an atheist, and as an individual, I would much prefer to see our country go just a little on the socialist side, providing better for all its people in the form of universal health care, but also as an atheist and an individual, I still enjoy and appreciate the fruits of living in a (supposedly) free capitalist society.

Exactly. You may not be communistic, nor want it, but by building a foundation of socialism, you put the foundation of a future corrupt atheist to enact a communist nation. The same, for that matter, goes to Christians. When they lay the brick work for a conservative nation, they lay the foundation of a theocracy. You see this in both ways. The only way to counter it is to keep both people in charge. And because one is always trying to take over the other, the US has it's mini revolutions. So far, the major ones have been The Great awakening(conservative), the ACTUAL revolution (liberal), the Western expansion (could be seen either way by how they treated people in their way), the civil war (liberal and moderate conservative), Spanish American War (conservative), WW1 (conservative). Etc, etc. Up to such thing as the 70's era, and onto today's modernizations.

Yea, I'm kind of going no where with this, but my point is that total domination by either side is bad.

This returns us to the original anti-atheist conspiracy topic. These days it is the first time in a long time where BOTH sides are attempting a take over event, which will lead to anger at both sides, and probably civil war. To go deeper into this, it is becoming a 4 way street, rather then a 2 way one. Now you also have the false conservatives (Bush, Etc) and the false liberals ( pretty much everyone in the senate). Each side hates the other sides equally. Except maybe the Bushies and the senate, who have an unhappy friendship.

Now, that mindless rambling went no where, yes, but it just goes with what I was saying.

Looking back at what I said about atheist-Christian middle grounds, would not that stop all this mindless rambling?

This is also to you, Equinox99

I understand science and Christianity can not go hand and hand, because of creationism and evolution. I say let the people decide what they want, and no one else. If you want your kids to learn about creationism, send them to a Catholic school. If you want your kid to learn about evolution then send them to a public school.

Oh, and as for the whole creationism, evolution thing. Meh, in about 20 years they say they'll have a time machine, or so says Israel.

Originally posted by Equinox99
Honestly, science and Christianity both have benefited society. Yeah, some people think Christianity has done nothing but genocide. Christianity has many, and I mean many charities that help everyone around the world.

Actually, I would have to say that PEOPLE who may have been Christian, Have done good work around the world. There's a difference between the Religion itself and the people who do go inside of it. If Christianity didn't exist, those same people would still want to do good and find another outlet to do so.


ALSO,
There is a difference between Socialism and Communism. I believe you're misunderstanding the meaning of the two things gorman91.

gorman91 wrote,

Oh, and as for the whole creationism, evolution thing. Meh, in about 20 years they say they'll have a time machine, or so says Israel.

There is no "thing" between creationism and evolution as they are not competing theories. If they were competing theories, that would mean there is similar evidence for both and there is NO evidence for creationism and GREAT amounts of evidence for Evolution.

Socialism and communism are not the same things.

Many parts of our infrastructure (in America) are already socialized: public schools, fire department, police as three examples. If they'd add health care to the list, and leave the rest of society the way it is, I'd be happy.

That is a far cry from communism.

The communism fixation of yours is getting in the way of proper understanding, no offense intended.