Anti-Atheist Conspiracy?, page 5


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reply posted on 30-9-2007 @ 03:04 PM by Gorman91
I'd like to know where the polls are on 20% atheist when just 3 Months ago (I think) NBC made a pool saying 5% or so where atheists. I've never been one to trust polls, but seeing as NBC is anti-religious and were seen ridiculing the polls they made, I'd go with NBC.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

www.msnbc.msn.com...


I personally see the continual joining of the Buddhist and Christian Religions. Maybe not literally, but spiritually, they are beginning to believe the same thing.

And as for the number of atheists in America, I can't see the number raising. New polls are out all the time with numbers all over the place but all tend to show an increase in religion.

I'd really like to know where you're poll is from, as NBC, being run by corporate Global Warming mongerers, would hate to see an increase in faithful people, it means less people to control, thus they are not bias.


reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 03:23 AM by madnessinmysoul
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the first study i will not acknowledge as it has massive bias
i looked into baylor university, just a quick google search and here's the description i got (the university's own words)


Chartered in 1845 by the Republic of Texas, Baylor has an enrollment of about 14000 and is the largest Baptist university in the world.


hmmm...




and the second one is over a year old...
good evidence of this being a quote from it


...and only 37 percent said they'd be willing to vote for an atheist for president.


a more recent poll showed that 47% of americans would vote for an atheist
seems like the tides are shifting more rapidly than expected...


reply posted on 1-10-2007 @ 03:59 PM by Gorman91
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Voting for an atheist and being one are two totally different things. I have a very large faith in God, but would vote for an atheist if he had the right stuff. If there was an atheist candidate who was like Ron Paul or Regan or Patton (yea, I know, not a prez, or candidate) then I would vote for him.

Just because people, like me ( sort of ), are becoming more welcoming of atheists, doesn't mean we are becoming like them.

That's like a Muslim man reading the bible. Is he going to become Christian? I've read the Koran and am not becoming a Muslim, nor anytime soon.

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Now, quit going off topic, where is this poll you were talking about? Must I Google it myself and guess on it being the right site?

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reply posted on 2-10-2007 @ 07:33 PM by MajorMalfunction
I found one for you:

www.thearda.com...

From this site.

I don't think it's the one MIMS referenced, but I found the link to this page on Baylor's page.


reply posted on 2-10-2007 @ 08:01 PM by Gorman91
Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
I found one for you:

www.thearda.com...

From this site.

I don't think it's the one MIMS referenced, but I found the link to this page on Baylor's page.


Once again, this is irrelevant. I would vote for an atheist too, yet I'm not an atheist.

On the site WAS something about belief in God, but it's a few years old.

Still as it always has been, 90% believe in God, a higher power, or something above them. Like I said, only 5% are atheists. There are 5% agnostics, but that is usually split down the middle of which they lean to.

In your opinion, does each of the following exist? a. God
1) Absolutely not 70 (4.2%)
2) Probably not 116 (6.9%)
3) Probably 231 (13.7%)
4) Absolutely 1268 (75.3%)


www.thearda.com...


Another one

www.thearda.com...

The results on this are, however, all over the place. With belief in God being 90%, but belief in afterlife being 75-80%.

In any case, I see a rise in Religion where I live. More people go to church in NY. Years ago, they were empty, now they are full.

You also forgot the fact that most all immigrants are Muslims, Mexican, or Orthodox in faith, the strongest in the faithful of something above them. Likewise, it is questionable if they will ever go atheist. You certainly don't see Russians and Muslims renouncing their faith anytime soon, do you?

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reply posted on 3-10-2007 @ 01:57 PM by madnessinmysoul
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the first link you gave, the one with that pie chart, indicates at least 11% of the people polled are atheists...



reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 01:30 AM by supervortex2004
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Now you're contradicting what you said earlier. You just said that it's the preachers and religious groups that rally in the street, wanting that to happen, but, in one of your earlier posts, you stated that it was the atheists that did it, and complaining about it. So, either both sides are allowed to do it(even though I don't know of any atheist rally, EVER), or neither side can do it. Which is it?
Although, since the bible contradicts itself so many times, maybe it's just your nature as a christian to make no sense.

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reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 04:57 AM by madnessinmysoul
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um... ok, maybe 1 or 2 atheist will say "i believe there is no god"

i won't even say that. i DON'T believe in god, that's what an atheist is, anyone who doesn't believe. those with doubt enough not to believe

i would be in the part that said "probably not"
but there is always a possibility that ANY god exists.


reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 07:40 AM by Valhall
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But that's not discrimination against atheists. I think that's where I take issue with this entire thread. That example you reference is dishonest tactics by a group of people trying to push their own agenda...it's not discrimination, it's intellectual dishonesty.

In the same vein - now that we have put aside that there are enforcable laws that would prohibit an atheist from running for office - we get to the real discussion that's taking place in this thread: Can an atheist get elected to office? Well, I have no idea. But if one can't, that means the majority of voters who voted (assuming they voted against the atheist because of his beliefs) didn't want an atheist representing them. That's not discrimination - that's choice. Discrimination is the prevention of being voted for, not that people decide to vote for something opposite to what you want. I personally don't believe that a candidate's beliefs should come into play. We're electing them to office based on their knowledge, experience and platform. Now, if their platform threatened freedom of religion, that would be another issue. But I don't care what denomination they are - including atheist.



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reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 08:46 AM by MajorMalfunction
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Now THAT is interesting. I never would have thought the Dutch, who are so practical and down to earth, would have a faction of young earth creationists.

It's like finding out your granny pole dances on the weekends. Just totally unexpected.


reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 08:11 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by supervortex2004



I change in moods, but I think that post was on one about the gays in parades forcing it everywhere. Atheists aren't gays. I see plenty of signs of gays forcing their visions of things on people with parades and education. Atheists do not. But I'm a big supporter of mob rule. Or basically, the majority should decide what parades are good or not. Seeing at the majority changes every 10 years in the US, be it liberal vs Conservative, faithful vs non faithful, or black vs white, then atheist will have their welcomed parades in the future, followed by a backlash of faithful masses growing.

I was angry at the time of that other post after reading the king and king story on the nets, now I'm calmed down. Any who, if the atheists have the numbers, let them rally.

For now the masses are faithful people, so atheist lose out.



Gramar fixers
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