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Originally posted by omarsharif
Coming from a former atheist; it's a big lie
Please explain to me why if atheism was the truth why would anyone want to have morals?
Take the example of the golden rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
It's a rule that I tend to agree with as an atheist because it ensures the stability and safety of a society.
Morality is the basis for a society of people who care for each other and that is the safest society to live in. So there's the personal selfish
reason of "I don't want my neighbor to stab me" and then there's the possibly altruistic reason of "Getting stabbed isn't fun, I wouldn't wish
it upon my neighbor." So that's more than enough reason for me to accept morality.
My former atheist mindset: Morals make the sheep, no morals the wolves; why live a moral life when you can lie, cheat, steal, kill your way to
power, riches and glory?
This is a truly deluded way to think. You can
lie, cheat, steal, and kill your way to power, riches, and glory in societies already devoid of
morals that prevent such action, but it's far more difficult to gain such accolades when you're living in any conceivable modern society with a
level of stability and law.
its obvious that if everyone did this the world would be chaos but since there is no god and no repercussions for doing bad, i cant let myself be held
back by morals.
Alright, another continued fallacy of some religious moralists is present here. I don't need an all-powerful or any other supernatural being present
in reality to create repercussions for bad actions, as there can be simply the society as a whole rewarding good behavior and punishing bad behavior.
I do not believe in a god nor do I believe that murder is acceptable. Now, even if I were to believe that murder is acceptable I would have to face
society if I murdered my neighbor.
only by being capable of doing everything necessary can i get everything i want. I actually thought high of hitler and studied his ways to get to
power and already as a young child i saw myself rising as the next dictator.
Hitler was quite a religious person, unless you're unaware of history you should have known this. His soldiers had "Got Mitt Uns" on their belt
buckles, which translates to 'God is with us', didn't prevent them from committing atrocities though.
I think incredibly low of Hitler, that he was a deluded madman. Still an atheist though.
However, the other thing is your delusion of grandeur regarding a rise to power as the next dictator is actually far more common among the religious.
All the totalitarian monarchs of the middle ages were quite brutal, and a portion of their power came from religious authority. The 'divine right'
of kings was something accepted by the masses for centuries. On top of all of that there's the fact that the Catholic Church ruled the Papal States
as a brutal dictatorship.
I was wrong.
That's the only thing you've been right about this whole post.
I know faith is a big NONO word for atheists
Oh FSM, not this again...
But we all put faith in 100's of things every day.
(you put faith that your car will start when you turn that key, yet all of a sudden it doesnt, you put faith that you will seduce that good looking
girl at the bar, yet somehow, sometimes it doesnt work)
Well, the first is actually an assumption based upon repeated experience and expectation rather than the faith of a religion in which you base your
entire life off of something where the is absolutely no way of proving.
The second is either confidence or arrogance, rather than 'faith'. If you were to have faith that you would seduce someone you'd be beyond arrogant
and possibly venturing into psychotic territory.
So why not try to put just a little faith in god just enough to honestly ask him to reveal himself?
Why is it that the religious assume I never tried this? I had faith in the Abrahamic deity as explained in Roman Catholicism and in a moment of doubt
of the teachings of the Church I asked him/her/it to reveal his/her/itself to me. This was a moment of intense faith. I spent the next year attempting
to strengthen my faith, but all of my actions examining my own religion and those of others in the world was actually what drove me towards
I started off with a lot of faith, but I don't like to have faith in things that aren't there.
It IS for YOUR eternity.
I honestly don't believe I have an eternity. I'm hoping for another 60-80 years though, and I intend to live them in a compassionate and altruistic
manner. If I were to die and find that your or any other deity exists I hope it wouldn't hold a simple lack of belief against me. I'd hope a higher
being would be less petty than that.
I did and sincerely i can tell you it was the best decision i ever made.
I'm sure you believe it is. Especially when going from a dictator wannabe to a person who is better than that it probably is a better choice.
However, I'm sure you're just a better person than you think you are, regardless of religion.
It's good to be back on ATS