Women kicked out of Casino for showing to much Cleavage

Helen Simpson, 33, from Nottingham, was wearing a low-cut, black evening dress when a woman staff member told her to cover up or leave.

"She said I was wearing too low a top, which people found offensive," Simpson said. "`I was highly embarrassed – humiliated, absolutely humiliated.

"There were girls at the casino wearing short skirts that I think are nothing more than belts.

"I feel like I've been discriminated against for having big breasts."

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Well I am certainly puzzled by this I don't doubt that there is a double standard at work here. I hope that the staff involved get the sack it is absurd that people lack so little sense could have had employment in the first place.

I do see how that the media wasn't the best outlet for Helen complaint.

People need to learn modesty again before the Muslims cram it down our throats.

In no small measure the hate that Islam has for the West is because of our obscene culture which we export.

Western civilization is founded upon high moral standards that have been sacrificed on the alter of the free market and freedom of expression.

I believe that these incidents that have been popping up in the media of late may indeed be harbingers of a public backlash against indecency.

I don't mean to make simplistic the issues between the West and Islam, but if you listen to the messages they send us, decency or a lack thereof, is right up there with the things they hate about us, including support for Israel.


[edit on 2007/9/25 by GradyPhilpott]

I don't think that the incident can be connected to Islamic extremists in anyway in this case. Just for the record if the terrorists attack us because of there dislike of Western cultural we shouldn't give an inch and every effort should be made to broadcast Western culture into Islamic extremist hot spots but alas I am going off topic.

That was a large leap, I admit.

But looking for threads of continuity is something my brain does pretty much on its own.

I do see a link between the decay of moral standards and Islamic hatred of Western culture, but I also see the decay of moral standards as a cause and an effect of many of our cultural and societal problems.

The rumblings have been minor, I admit, but recently the news has been sprinkled with cases of the private sector clamping down on what I will call fashion excesses and there are local lawmakers reacting to public dissatisfaction with the same thing.

It is true that Islam hates us for a lot of reasons, but we should be concerned with the image of Western culture that is exported to the rest of th world.

Somehow media reflect an image that the majority would prefer not to be identified with.

We feed the media. We can starve it, too.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
That was a large leap, I admit.

Yeah but interesting none of the less.

I do see a link between the decay of moral standards and Islamic hatred of Western culture, but I also see the decay of moral standards as a cause and an effect of many of our cultural and societal problems.

What some would regard as the moral decay of society others like me see Society as becoming more tolerant and open .

It is true that Islam hates us for a lot of reasons, but we should be concerned with the image of Western culture that is exported to the rest of th world.

Islamic extremism existed long before 1948 and present day Western Culture . The differences is that now that common decency has crept into Western Civilization.

Somehow media reflect an image that the majority would prefer not to be identified with.

Well I think that the enemy would be smart enough not take what the media says at face value. It is true that the likes of Pairs Hilton can feed the media . Personally I don't care for likes of Pairs Hilton.

The casinos must be different where you are xpert11, I couldn't imagine any casino in the U.S. throwing out a woman for showing too much! They'd probably comp her for keeping more guys there!

Gagging for it

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
People need to learn modesty again...

Ah yes, modesty: the utterly reasonable demand that sexually attractive people cover themselves up so as not to offend horny hypocrites by turning them on.

... before the Muslims cram it down our throats.

Pardon my retching. Something's sticking in my craw.

Perhaps it was a safety precaution. If those breasts happened to break free someone could have been seriously injured. The casino may not have wanted to assume any liability if they started bouncing around on a blackjack or craps table, or flying around on a roulette wheel.

Seriously though, I can't see that happening at any casino I've ever been in. I did recently hear a discussion on talk radio about a young women at first asked to get off an airplane, and then asked to cover herself with a blanket because her skirt was deemed too short.

Yet the world is full of tattoos and body piercings. I'm not going to pretend any of it makes any sense to me.

As an American (living in Canada), I am "used to" American and Canadian styles in Casinos. Casual dress is the norm and the woman in question was certainly dressed casually. However, because this incident took place in Christchurch, New Zealand, one should look at the customs and norms in New Zealand.

However, having taken over the chief executive's role at the casino just six weeks ago he said he had already marked its dress code as an issue requiring his attention.

"Probably one of the biggest comments I've had since being in Christchurch is about the (casino's) dress code and how it has slipped," he said.

"I'd like to see the standard raised again.

"My intention is to give it a bit more teeth ... to enhance and enforce our dress code, because that is the feedback I'm getting from our clientele."

Christchurch Casino once had what was regarded as the strictest casino dress code in New Zealand, banning blue jeans, for instance, but had relaxed the rules in recent years. SOURCE

While the womans' cleavage might have raised eyebrows in the US or Canada, she certainly would not have been escorted out of a Casino in Vegas, Atlantic City or Windsor Canada. In Christchurch, the standards of dress are obviously "higher".

An American might suggest that the Casinos in New Zealand are discriminatory but this might be a subjective opinion -- one made outside of the cultural context of what is considered "normal" by "Kiwi culture.

[edit on 9/27/2007 by benevolent tyrant]

This incident does seem to show the more conservative side of NZ society which exists amognst what has always been a socially progressive country . Maybe the same people that opposed Civil Unions are also put out by Helen cleavage as well.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
People need to learn modesty again...

Well said Sir, I think that some people need to learn a little respect and humility again also.

Whatever this lady or we as individuals may think of the decision she has to remember that she is in a private establishment and is governed by their rules. If she doesn't like them then she can always choose to go to one of the other places where she has apparently not caused any problems in the past.

I do grow more and more concerned that some individuals seem to believe that they have the right to behave and dress in a manner which suits them no matter what the opinions of others may be even if they actually own the damned place - mind you I am probably just getting old.

I should also add that if I was playing cards with her leaning across the other side of the table I would find it pretty damned hard to concentrate on my next lead to dummy.


Edit to add:

...and another thing.

What is this story doing in the press anyway?

Let's ignore the false headline which says she was forced to leave the casino when in fact she borrowed a top and was able to stay without any problem and let's also ignore the silliness about how many compliments she's received about the dress too. (Let's face it, how often do you go up to a woman and say "stone me love but you look a right munter in that dress"?).

I imagine that the local journos don't hang around the casino doors just waiting to see who gets ejected so are we to assume that the lady herself offered the story to the papers?

I really do not get this apparently insatiable desire for "15 minutes of fame".



[edit on 28-9-2007 by timeless test]

Viva... Las Vegas...

The casino has every right to exercise whatever dress code or other stipulations it wants to put on it's guests... Likewise, the potential patrons have every right to go somewhere else and probably should.

On a side note, I think destinations like Las Vegas, and to some degree Reno and Atlantic City have gone too far with the "familyization" of the respective strips. Get the kids out! Period! You want to vacation with the kids, go to Disney, or Sea World... You want to get liquored up and blow the mortgage payment on the tables and retire with the Mrs. for a three way with the professional you just hired... Leave the kids at home. It disgusts me when I see some young kids get a stripper magazine shoved in their face as they walk down the Boulevard with mom and dad... They'll be 21 soon enough, then they can join us in our wretched debauchery.

[edit on 28/9/2007 by Mirthful Me]

Throughout all my days on this earth, there are certain terms which I've never heard uttered. One of them is "Her breasts are way too big."

What I found amusing was the name of the Casino - ChristChurch Casino.

While everyone is speculating about Christchurch being more modest or reserved...lets not forget just a few months ago we had the "boobs on bikes" parade.

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www.nzherald.co.nz...

So I really dont think it's a question of our modesty...more just a good'ol double standards.

And the part I found funny in the Chritchurch Press article, was the complaintants were all guys?!?...go figure...maybe she was distracting them LOL

Ive just saw a picture of the acussed, and she ceratinly has big....assets.

ProTo

Ok... I looked at the picture as well and that dress was just plain disgusting and unflattering.

I'm not sure if this was added before or after the incident, but I checked the Christchurch Casino website and found their dresscode:

DRESSCODE


Smart, neat attire is required at all times.

- ChristChurch Casino

That's probably where she crossed the line.

I wouldn't be surprised if this happened often. I mean, rules are rules.

She shouldn't take it so personally. And why would call media attention to herself if she claimed to be humiliated? Wouldn't she humiliate herself more by making it public? Oh, I know why! So she could play the victim and get people to comfort her.

Goodness, people overreact too much for publicity...