Why does it seem the evil elitist are all homosexuals ?

I can tell you from my daily encounters with homosexuals at my work place, they, the homosexuals are interested in something they can't possibly attain. The complete emulation of the "normal" of straight life.

1st, they want to be married, eventhough just a few years ago they scoff at marriage.

2nd, they want to have kids, and they used to call those who have kids "breeders".

3rd, they want to start going into "legitimate" jobs. No more tattoo artists, hair stylists, broadway dancers, interior designers, architects. Now they want to have jobs like Bishops, and get into politics.

Homosexuals are inherently very self-consciouss people, they dress better than most, place very high importance on appearances and physique, so naturally they are very interested in high level jobs.

Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
I actually thought out of all the places, that ATS was above board when it came to certain members making derogatory remarks with regards to homosexuality, guess I was wrong in making this assumption.

Just proves that homosexuality still have along way to go before it is accepted in society.

Care to explain to me then, since you seem like the kind of people I'm talking about, why it is that people have to watch themselves on the "gay" subject THAT MUCH MORE then on any other? As to what I've seen on this site expressing negative opinion is far less loose on any other subject except this one.

As in any forum, you're gonna have people with different opinions, they will overlap one another or smack right into each other in confrontation. Just because in the US it's fine for people to be gay because of "human rights" what makes you think I have to agree with what your country sees as right?

I don't consider gays to be subhuman. They are of flash and blood, have brains, carry pasports with their names and last names. Yes they are people. Just like ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING is capable of doing good and kind or hirrible and nasty things, so are they, they are human. Now do I respect them? No, for the most part not. I find the concept disgusting and against any society's morals (not to mention religious ones). I'm damn glad the people in my country put fist to face to make sure this does not infect my country, and NO, I'm not from a middle eastern or muslim country. I'm not homophobic lol, and I find it very funny when people call anyone who doesn't like gay's homophobic. Why would I be scared of a gay person unless he has a gun to my head?

My point: Yes, I don't like gays. No I don't go freaking rambo when I see a gay person. Frankly I don't really give a care when I see them. Gays will always be around even if all the gays in the world ATM were shot (and that would be cruel), new ones would be born. Only time I really get ticked off is when this gay rights/protection starts comming about. Oh no gay people being abused....sheesh. Like I said, out of all the topics - it's this one everyone has to watch their mouths about most of all.

spencerjohnstone next time I see people on here making ugly regards in other threads that might offend someone, I'll be looking for your name telling the people off.

Regards,
Maestro

Having and expressing your own opinion no matter how un-pc is just about being a free-thinking human.

Being a straight guy, I can tell you I have been sexually harrassed, verbally abused and discriminated against by gays and lesbians.

In a city where the police comissioner is a transgender, I can tell you, being straight is a disadvantage.

Gays and lesbians discrimate against straights, yet you never hear that on news. Bias? You bet.

And in my humble and personal opinion (if that's still allowed), I have been comparing human and animals as biological beings. Sodomi is just not a "natural" way of being intimate. Society is just too pc to call it like it is.

[edit on 27-9-2007 by docklands]

I'm not a member of an elite group out to dominate the world. I'm not into satanic worship either. Nor do I interfere with children. Or participate in gay activism or take part in gay pride parades. And I don't take any more care in my appearance than the next guy. I'm not a hairdresser either. Or work in the media. Or public relations. Or the lofty heights of the political process.

But I am gay. I have sex with men. I enjoy it in the very same way that straight guys enjoy sleeping with women. I didn't become gay as a result of abuse. Or the lack of a loving Father. I was born gay in the same way I was born with the requisite number of fingers and toes. You don't choose to be gay. You just are. It's as natural to be gay as it is to be straight. Or swing both ways. It just is.

Am I proud to be gay ? No more proud than any of you might be proud to be straight. I don't leap out of bed thinking how great it is to be gay. I normally crawl out of bed thinking "Oh God not another day at work" ... like most folks. Do I support gay marriage ? Not the term marriage, no. But civil partnerships I have no problem with.

But see I don't like this thread. Not one bit. Firstly there's no evidence to support the idea of a gay elite. Or an evil gay elite. But if you accept the premise that the evil elite are all homosexual, what's the next question to be ? I'll tell you. It's going to be "What are we to do with all these homosexuals ?"

What do you fancy ? FEMA internment camps ? RFID tagging ? Genetically engineer out the homosexual gene - if it exists ? An anti gay bioweapon ? Or how about some nice pink triangles and some death camps ? Take your pick.

There have been some ludicrous threads on ATS over the last few months. This is one of them. Deny ignorance ? Mm. I think not.

reply to post by Niall197


Some people are born as pedophiles too, don't you agree? They are just naturally drawn to having sex with children and animals. If we lower the age of adults to 14, most child-adult sex would be concensual.

The greeks and the romans and in most if not all of the muslim countries pedophiles are normal and are encouraged (their prophet Moehammad had a child bride aged 9).

Who are we to judge them?

Originally posted by Niall197


But see I don't like this thread. Not one bit. Firstly there's no evidence to support the idea of a gay elite. Or an evil gay elite. But if you accept the premise that the evil elite are all homosexual, what's the next question to be ? I'll tell you. It's going to be "What are we to do with all these homosexuals ?"

Excellent post. One of the best, most articulate and thoughtful I have read in my time here.

All of this paranoia and hysteria over things over shadow governments and ruling elite cause many of you to look beyond the reality of today. There are real threats. There is injustice. There is intolerance. When you try to lump all of it into this giant bucket of conspiratorial sludge, you dilute the real discussions that should be taking place.

This guy right here says a high ranking Mason would engage in sex with little boys in order to have eternal life.

video.google.com...

double post!

[edit on 27-9-2007 by LordSlashstab]

For such an awesome group of people and for such a wide range of topics discussed on this site, I always get a bit disappointed when it comes to the homosexual threads here. I have only posted on another site quite a while ago, and it was a homosexual topic of some kind. I just really feel compelled to say something.

I hold a “legitimate” and very professional job, with a healthy career. I still find it disappointing here at ATS that homosexuals are referred to as “them” and “they” like I am a second rate professional female. I’m not taking it personally, and won’t lose sleep over it, but I look at the users on this site with that mind set, think about the people in this state with that mind set….the U.S….

I would like to think we as a race would grow up.

reply to post by admriker444


I think the most of the evil elitists are gay is simple because they are elitists.

But don't forget, it's not only Gays, it's Socialists, Commies, oppressionists, and the likes. And the best way to start a revolution is to turn all topsy turby.

1) you kill the mainstream race's child production. If you homosexualize the schools and make gays look cool or ok, then they become it. Hence, they don't get married and thus the race lessens.

2) you bring in massive numbers of racially different immigrants so they hate each other and make a revolution likely.

3) you begin lieing. Such things as the Jena 6 and border patrol arrests for shooting a drug dealer creates anger in the hearts of people. Sides form, and combat begins.

4) the leaders of the revolution take down the main gov, set up their own gov, and oppress the masses under Communism or Socialism, or Fascism, or etc.

Now you got your revolution. Tada, down with the people.

Originally posted by Rdog


I would like to think we as a race would grow up.

Questioning a specific trait of a person or group a person is a legitimate discussion, it has nothing to do with growing up.

I'm tired of "Let's accept everyone and everything without question." attitude.

Don't demand your equal rights, proof you deserve it. Affirmitive action is a joke and so is the default acceptance of your rights and responsibilities.

This is a mostly straight society, naturally we question homosexuality, if you can't even let us do that, and call us names like bigot everytime the subject is brought up, you are making things worse. Because emotions not let out to the open will simmer, and hatred grew from those.

And yeah, I don't like gays, they are the most superficial group of humans in the world. I feel like a g*damn meat everytime I walk the streets of San Francisco, and if I brought how I felt I'm being visually violated, I will get prosecuted as a bigot.

Originally posted by Copernicus

Dont bash gay people. They are generally some of the more compassionate people in the world. And its already difficult enough for them to live this life as gays.

I think "live and let live" is a good principle. We should stop hating people because it gets us nowhere.

I know you say "this post is not meant to bash gay people" but I kind of think thats what you are doing, since that article on prisonplanet takes a few examples and then generalizes an entire group of people based on it.

Even if Bush is gay, I wouldnt care. I dislike him because of his actions, not his sexuality. I think the topic of sex is much more sensitive in America than in Europe though, so maybe thats why I dont care a lot.


[edit on 25-9-2007 by Copernicus]

I think a better way for him to state what he is saying is maybe he is trying to link the fact the being " gay " is soooo looked down upon , yet many leaders adn officials in power are "known" to have homesexual tendencies themselves. Those same people then persecute gays and are againts them making them eveil hypocrites. I'm not all for the man on man thing. But sometimes you just gotta let people be happy. and if that makes them happy and they atleast deserve that.

From a gay guy's perspective, I have to say that, while I do agree that there are many closeted homosexuals in elite positions, I just don't see any obvious connection to Satanism!

For the record, I don't think that admriker444 is bashing us. He seems to have an overall interesting question for his topic. I WILL say that it did intrigue me enough to finally post something after about a year of visiting!

Originally posted by docklands
I can tell you from my daily encounters with homosexuals at my work place, they, the homosexuals are interested in something they can't possibly attain. The complete emulation of the "normal" of straight life.

1st, they want to be married, eventhough just a few years ago they scoff at marriage.

2nd, they want to have kids, and they used to call those who have kids "breeders".

3rd, they want to start going into "legitimate" jobs. No more tattoo artists, hair stylists, broadway dancers, interior designers, architects. Now they want to have jobs like Bishops, and get into politics.

Homosexuals are inherently very self-consciouss people, they dress better than most, place very high importance on appearances and physique, so naturally they are very interested in high level jobs.

While I wished all along that I could have the first 2 "unattainables" that you mention above, I never scoffed at either. I have only ever wished for them. And I knew that "attaining" them would be difficult if not impossible. I never kidded myself. You act as if we have "evolved" into finally having aspirations to be more than just "hairdressers". I think we already had a majority of these "legitimate" jobs all along...

I'm very amused how poeple continue to come here and say we are gay bashing yet they can't quote one gay bashing comment

So after they falsely accusing everyone of gay bashing,they then say there is no evidence that some elites are gay.Even though we have a quote from a president and other links.

It isn't ok for anyone else to lie so why do you get to?Stop crying because no one bashed gays.Well a few may have said one or two things later on in the thread,but the whole gay bashing thing came on the very first page of this thread.Sigh.....

Why are you so sensative?What makes you see gay bashing when there was none at the start?You obviously aren't very secure with yourself if you need to falsely accuse people of gay bashing.

And besides who the hell cares.I don't cry when people talk about other fat people.I'm fat and I don't take offense lol.Hell I pick on fat people to,and myself.

Get real,your not that important.

Edit:Seems like I do spell the word people wrong everytime from habbit,lol.



[edit on 28-9-2007 by Project_Silo]

Originally posted by Project_Silo
I'm very amused how poeple continue to come here and say we are gay bashing yet they can't quote one gay bashing comment

Why are you so sensative?What makes you see gay bashing when there was none at the start?You obviously aren't very secure with yourself if you need to falsely accuse poeple of gay bashing.

Get real,your not that important.

[edit on 28-9-2007 by Project_Silo]

I think many gays are over compensating for fear of rejection and discrimination. They have this in-your-face attitude that I just can't stand and to be honest, it really backfires.

If you ever see a gay pride parade, I assure you, it's quite a scene. Decadence, excessive showing off of bodyparts, taunting, hyper-sexualism, beer-bellied walking leather thongs, oiled-beefcake with a chained human pet, you name it, all in the name of "celebration". It's total break down of social morality, like watching Hieronymus Bosc's hell comes to life.

It's disgusting and sickening.
painting come true.

Guys, are you completely ignoring the poster's original intent?
This was a thread designed to test ATS' reaction when a certain word (homosexuality) was linked to another with negative implications (Satanism) to gauge a reaction for a semantics class.

Outside his 'admission' this thread seems pretty much like flame bait.
Is it any different from someone creating a thread to market a particular product?

But I'm confused:
Why does every thread about a certain 'group' end with near outright bashing of the aforementioned group?.
I'm not going to enter the whole 'There was/was not a gaybashing' argument.
However, if you want proof of the unofficial 'Law' above, check the 'the Holocaust never happened thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Mods, I think this thread has outlived the poster's original intention.

This is a homophobic thread but i will adress some of the issues:

The link is to allegations about G.W. Bush - not sure how that refers to the elite in general but I guess I know what you are referring to.

Many people have repressed homosexual feelings, this is also a cause of homophobia by the way, and this repression may fuel other things such as grasping for power, meglamania etc. Maybe this is why repressed homosexuals such as Hitler end up in these positions. I challange you to name one openly gay member of the 'elite' that you talk of - Don't mention Elton John, even he had a wife at one point

I think the problem is repression. Perhaps if these people were more open abouttheir sexuality they would not get all frustrated and start invading other countries a la Hitler / Bush

I'm just stating homosexuality is not normal that's all.

That is your opinion, you are entitled to it..... It is people like you that make the world a worse place to live.

Care to explain to me then, since you seem like the kind of people I'm talking about, why it is that people have to watch themselves on the "gay" subject THAT MUCH MORE then on any other? As to what I've seen on this site expressing negative opinion is far less loose on any other subject except this one.

Either you are completely blind or completely ignorant. Have you actually read some of the derogotary remarks against homosexuals, shall I quote a few remarks? A topic of discussion goes overboard when such comments are made, (while some say they are no homophobic). Which is offensive to other members in here, and abusive to say the least.

Gays will always be around even if all the gays in the world ATM were shot.

So you think all Homosexuals should be shot eh? These sort of comments is what I am on about. Oh get rid of the homosexuals, just the same as classing homosexuals in the same catergory as phedophiles.... It is abosolutely disgusting.

spencerjohnstone next time I see people on here making ugly regards in other threads that might offend someone, I'll be looking for your name telling the people off.

maestro46, ditto I will be doing the exact same thing as you then. See if you even bother to tell other memebers off for making derogotary or disgusting remarks towards other members in ATS.

This is a homophobic thread but i will adress some of the issues

Thank you, least other members can see this thread for what it is. Just goes to show there is some homophobics in ATS.

Actually Spencer, seeing as the great majority of people world wide kill, bash, or degrade gays, it's easy to say that it is the norm.

I personally don't give a Flying F**k what you do at home. But when you broadcast it as norm for the younger generations to "try", then I have a problem with it. Only thing those radical gays are good for is booing Iran's prez. At least they did SOMETHING beneficial for once.