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Originally posted by apc
The moment someone thinks they have the right to force someone else into some action they would not willingly do otherwise... well I feel I have a right to force a bullet right through their face.
Freedom, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Anyone willing to give that up deserves their fate.
Originally posted by apc
I avoid paying every penny I possibly can, I assure you. Many though I willfully pay because they benefit me. Roads being paved, public schools for my children, fire departments, police, etc.
Medicaid/Medicare as well as I understand there are those who literally have no choice but to be dependent on the State by reason of physical or mental defect.
Someone with their hand out however, noone has the right to force me to fill it.
Originally posted by budski
That statement just means you don't want to share...
Thanks for reminding me what socialist totalitarianism looks like.
When you get on in years and some politician decides you're too old for that heart or hip transplant, you deserve your fate. You asked for it.
I am all for social wellness. People advocating volunteering their efforts to help the less fortunate is wonderful. I donate to charitable causes and encourage others to do the same. But it is my decision which I am free to make.
The moment someone thinks they have the right to force someone else into some action they would not willingly do otherwise... well I feel I have a right to force a bullet right through their face.
Freedom, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Anyone willing to give that up deserves their fate.
By that logic, you should shoot all government - for everything. They're the ones who tax you, for furthering their own agenda - your taxes pay for politicians ambition to have his name prominently in the history book.
I avoid paying every penny I possibly can, I assure you. Many though I willfully pay because they benefit me. Roads being paved, public schools for my children, fire departments, police, etc.
Medicaid/Medicare as well as I understand there are those who literally have no choice but to be dependent on the State by reason of physical or mental defect.
Someone with their hand out however, noone has the right to force me to fill it.
You don't really get it, it's not socialised medicine, it's public service.
Police, Fire departament, and health care has always been part of the public service.
England invented democracy and they have this, it's part of the public service.
No, I feel I would be enabling their misbehavior.
See, I'm really doing them a favor.
Originally posted by apc
I avoid paying every penny I possibly can, I assure you. Many though I willfully pay because they benefit me. Roads being paved, public schools for my children
Someone with their hand out however, noone has the right to force me to fill it.
You'll get no argument from me. I wish the money followed the student. No student, no money.
Originally posted by apc
Originally posted by budski
That statement just means you don't want to share...
No, I feel I would be enabling their misbehavior.
See, I'm really doing them a favor.
Says who? You?
I'm defending Freedom. You're advocating Socialism. Socialism is slavery.
Slavery is indefensible.
so·cial·ism /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
lav·er·y /ˈsleɪvəri, ˈsleɪvri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sley-vuh-ree, sleyv-ree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the condition of a slave; bondage.
2. the keeping of slaves as a practice or institution.
3. a state of subjection like that of a slave: He was kept in slavery by drugs.
4. severe toil; drudgery.
Originally posted by budski
Or are you just clinging to the freedom argument because it's convenient - there is no lack of freedom in social healthcare...
Originally posted by apc
Originally posted by budski
Or are you just clinging to the freedom argument because it's convenient - there is no lack of freedom in social healthcare...
You surrender control. Politicians decide what care you are eligible for, or more importantly, ineligible for. That is not freedom.