AHMADINEJAD: bombs *not planes*

Short and Simple.

It seems that he is more concerned of the present day Palestinian plight as a direct result of Israeli policy than the holocaust.

He's saying why do the palestinians need to suffer as a result of what happened to the jews in europe in the past.

He's more concerned of the result of the holocaust rather than the event itself. And I agree.

Mass murders, thoughtout history, have happened over and over. The U.S. systematically killed off the natives of this country through lies, deceit, broken treaties and murder for decades. Do they have their own sovereign nation? No! They are stuck on reservations having to make a meger existance through gambling casinos.

From what I got out of his speech, he is sick of the propaganda and wants to be in a truthful world(delusional thinking, I know) .

He's saying the holocaust has created the country of Israel which has displaced 100's of thousands of Palestinians, and has greatly unstabled the middle east. This is FACT. So just like any rational/intelligent person wouldn't you want to know how something like this could take effect? Question the direct event which caused so much instability in the present world? I still don't get it!

I've been to Israel. One of my best friends dad was a member of the Knesset(he's of arab decent). The tension there is stupid, there is no need for it. But unfortunately, the leaders of Israel want a confrontation and they want America to fight for/with them.


FYI: THis was a rant of sorts. I'm getting really tired of it all. I'm just amazed how "master" bush can get away with EVERYTHING but you people well believe him first... I'll stop that thinking... You people are idiots because you don't know how to use your own brains and decipher BS from truth. You need the MSM to tell you that the Iranian's presidents speech was "very controversial".

What a laugh.

Sleep well with Mickey Mouse you crazy young ignorant americans.

Originally posted by nyk537
Simply unbelievable.

For God's sake people, this man doesn't believe the Holocaust happened! Does that sound like a man who is intelligent and honest?

Heck, probably 200+ MILLION American's are in denial that the U.S. is a hegemonic empire. I guess nobody's intelliegent? Certainly not honest with themselves. "We" have been for generations now.

[edit on 25-9-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Tell it like it is Ignorance.

Just finished watching a documentary called "Iraq in Fragments" 2006.

What "We've" done there is hegemonic, and with no end in sight will continue unabated for years.

Another on the list of bait and switch tactics employed the controling interests of The United States.

Originally posted by u2r2h


"American people still don't know who was behind the bombing of the Twin Towers. Many books in the U.S. have been written about the incident., and there are questions circling in your society."

Hehe, he agrees with Bush, BOMBS were in the buildings:

u2r2h.blogspot.com...

this claim has been thoroughly debunked. He (Bush) was talking about the planes being used as bombs.

Originally posted by deadbang
and to Truth4hire just because you subscribe to some sort of revisionist history that does not include the holocaust does not mean it did not happen.

Well, I just as well may say that "just because the entire world claims this happened because a handful (!) of eye-witnesses say so does not mean it did happen as they claim."

See the problem? Now add a few very undemocratic laws to the equasion and you have a very interested Truth4hire wanting to find out just that: the truth.

AHMADINEJAD says that Israel doesn't belong to the Jews but to Palestine. True that the it was taken away from Palestine in 1948 but if you go back through history it first belonged to the Jews.

I find it odd that in a place where we claim that "deny ignorance" is the thought of the day, every day, that this man is chastised with remarks sourced entirely from the US Media Machine, and nothing else.

Most Americans, myself included, know next to nothing about this man except what we've been told. The Admin tells us what happened on 9/11, and most of you laugh. The Admin tells us Iran wants to nuke us, and everyone jumps back on the band wagon. Line him up next to G.W. Bush, and lets see who's responsible for more death and destruction, economic hardships, and scandalous governing.

And so what if the guy doesn't think the Holocaust happened? I bet he likes butter over margarine too.

You are comparing the death of millions of Jews to the preference of butter to margine? First off, the Holocast is an event in history. People are comparing history to opinion. I think cucumbers taste better pickled is an opinion. Israel becam a nation in 1948. French toast is better than pancakes. Are we starting to see the different here?

[edit on 09/4/2007 by wardk28]

The point I'm trying to make, though it seems you may be a little short-sighted to get it, is exactly as you stated. It's an event in history. How many people don't think the resurrection occurred? How many people don't think every living animal on the planet came from one male and one female that took a ride on a big boat for 40 days and 40 nights? Not everyone is ever going to agree on every arbitrary subject. Again, so what? I happen to think the Holocaust did take place, as I've seen much evidence, but I'm curious as to what evidence, or lack thereof, might lead someone else to believe otherwise. How does one's opinion on the matter make them "crazy", "maniacal", or "Evil", and what's the correlation between his views on the Holocaust and current world events.

My point is he's "crazy", "maniacal", and "evil" because your government has told you he is.

First off you are comparing history and religion. History is easier to prove because the amount of faith needed to believe something recorded in history is far less than an spiritual event such as the resurrection. My point is that people seem to be making light of the fact that a leader of a nation refuses to believe that an event like the holocast took place. That shows a lack of compassion towards human beings regardless of what religion you are.

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The armenians had a "holocaust" back in 1915-1917 which 1.5 million people were killed. Do we constantly here about that? NO.

The fact is this, the Jews have used the holocaust to gain a strangle hold power over the rest of the world. They constantly use the "we are the victims here" strategy to get their way every single time.

Israel does not take responsibility for anything. They are like a 5 year old kid that sneaks up on a 7 year old and smacks him on the back and then runs back behind his mommy and when the 7 year old tries to go after the little snot, the little s**t screams to his mommy "mom, mom, mom! Help me! I did nothing wrong! I'm the victim! Remember what happened to me 3 years ago, when I was 2, back in Eurasia?! I'm the victim! That 7 year old deserved a good slap because he doesn't care about what happened to me 3 years back!"

Originally posted by wardk28
That shows a lack of compassion towards human beings regardless of what religion you are.

You don't get the prize, but this is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen posted here. Please, re-read my posts, over and over again. Perhaps I can rewrite them in big crayon. Would that help you understand what I'm saying?

You've got to have some pretty big blinders on to think that I was comparing history with religion. Ok, I'll concede, I made some references to religious accounts of historical events. But they were just that. Historical events. One guy says Moses parted the red sea, another guy says he didn't. To Christians, it's a historical event, is it not? They believe this event, took place in their history.

You're a hate monger, pure and simple. You're advocating hating someone for their beliefs. Do you hate everyone who doesn't think like you? I feel sorry for you.

I love the U.S. and Israel comparsion to bully kids I always hear in these kinds of threads. If you are easily persuaded by AHMADINEJAD's words, I don't blame you. He is a very charismatic indivdual but I see him for what he really is. He wants the world to be rid of the big satan and the little satan. I'm sorry but someone who would love to see my country, family, and friends removed from this world does not charm me.

Originally posted by wardk28
...I'm sorry but someone who would love to see my country, family, and friends removed from this world does not charm me.

Thanks for making my point man. Did he say these things? No. That's a fact. Does your government want you to think he did? Yes. This is also a fact.

You don't see him for what he is, you see him for what someone else wants to to see him.

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I guess you didn't want to delve into understanding as to why the Armenians don't make a big fuss about it and how the Jews has used it to amass great power throughout the whole world?

Typical.

reply to post by Unit541

This coming from the guy defending AHMADINEJAD? Wow Is your reality that much skewed? Who's religion am I discriminating against? Also you are comparing an event that happened thousands of years ago to something that happened less than a hundred. I thing the Holocast is a little easier to prove. Thats were faith comes in. Yeah faith is what one needs to believe the events in the bible.

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And you would rather believe this verifiably compulsive lying and murderous administration. You must be one of the 'america, right or wrong people'.

If you believe anything that comes out of the mouth of the president or the MSM, you are a fool. You have to self educate yourself.

[edit on 25-9-2007 by Conundrum04]

Thats funny, I don't remember ever saying I believed the current administration. Thanks for speaking for me though. Its seems you have to be one way or the other with you guys. I found myself a happy middle though. Yeah I believe the government fouled up but that doesn't make AHMADINEJAD right either.

reply to post by wardk28


Again you continue to put your ignorance on display. I have defended nobody in this thread. I never said you were discriminating against anyone's religion. Nor did I ever say anyone was "right" vs. wrong.

You walk the middle? Ha! You believe what you do because you were told to. The nice thing about this forum, is what I actually did say is recorded conveniently above for you to reference. However, you make a fool of yourself by referencing these things I never said. Much in the same way my 10 year old daughter does, you briefly skim every other sentence, then fill in the gaps with your own opinion, however unfounded it may be. You'd be a great reality TV producer.

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Wow. The government "fouled up".

"Oops! I did it again! I just can't help myself!"

I would listen to ANYONE than bush or our MSM at this moment to get a semblance of truth at this point!

And since you want to break it down to "you people", how bout this:

You people, the ones that want to remain completely ignorant and isolated from the rest of the world, are dangerous for the rest of us.