Can a 767 Fly 500MPH @ 700ft Altitude? Boeing Official Says: Ha Ha Ha! Not a Chance!, page 6
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reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 11:17 PM by Americantrucker
reply to post by CB_Brooklyn



"The limiting speed for a Boeing 767 is 593mph at 35,000ft. The maximum cruising speed is about 563mph."

Both of those comments have nothing to do with the plane being at an altitude of 700ft, so both mean absolutely nothing here whatsoever.

As for the engineers comments, I am no aircraft engineer, so at this time, I can say nothing about them. He may know what he is talking about, but I'm not sure what to think about it. I do have a few thoughts though.

The other two people are completely worthless to listen to. They have no idea what they are talking about.

Is this any kind of proof of anything?

I think not.


reply posted on 25-9-2007 @ 12:25 AM by JimmyCarterIsSmarter
John, after the aircraft hit the trade centres, you can easily see the engines smash right through the towers and keep on going, where they would land onto a street.

The engine (s) were photographed on the ground. Were these engines planted, fakes, or holograms?

If a plane made mostly of steel could not make much of a pentatration into the reinforced conrete wall, how could a plane made mostly of aluminum travel throgh the walls and collums of the Pentagon?

Probably because the Pentagon wasn't made from a reactor containment vessel, a 757 is five times the size of a F4, and the F4 actually IS made from aluminium.

This is not true. If it descended 3000 feet in 30 seconds that would be 6000 feet per minute. Even if the airplnane were capable of such a maneuver, 30 seconds would not be enough time for the acceleration to 500 mph.

Please explain to me how an 767 could NOT decend at 6000 feet per minute.

Oh, and explain how a 747 (China Airlines flight 006) descended 30,000 ft in under two and a half minutes.

Therefor the friction caused by said speed at said altitude on said plane is not obtainable. Here is a clip from a 767 spec sheet, * DO NOT Exceed 250kts @ or Below 10,000ft Altitude.* . Here is a link to that site. www.curbe.com... . I'd check it out.

Please read the thread again.

Still 350knts is only around 403 mph. Not 550+mph. So you still prove nothing. You have no proof contradicting what Boeing employees or that engineer stated. So all your doing is restating your opinion louder then before. That still doesn't explain how that 767 got to 550+mph at 700 foot atltitude.

Well, first, that Boeing engineer stated the aircraft would break apart at 220mph, which is factually, a complete lie. At sealevel the speed at which an aircraft is limited to (350knots in 767 as per earlier (VNE)) is limited at that speed because the risk of structural failure, due to calculated factors such as wing or tail deformation or due to aeroelastic 'flutter' (unstable airframe or control oscillation). Yep, RISK. Meaning if you hit turbulence or wern't careful at that speed, you run the RISK of smashing the airframe to tiny little bits.

Let's look at history too, eh? China Airlines Flight 006. It decended 30,000 ft in under two and a half minutes, thought to many to break the sound barrier. After recovery, the plane landed. When decending at an average of 15000 feet per minute, how is the plane NOT going to get WAY above VNE?
en.wikipedia.org...

FedEx Flight 705, the aircraft had an attempted hijacking, and one of the pilots left temple had been hit with a hammer. He could barely move, so with the only weapon he had, he litterally did aerobatics in the aircraft. It is thought to of came very close to the sound barrier. The plane landed and flies with Fedex to this day. en.wikipedia.org...

On a clear, sunny, day probably with little turbulence, how the hell is a 767 decending at three times the normal rate (6000fpm vs 2000fpm) with engines FIREWALLED NOT going to hit 500mph without breaking apart? It's happened in the past.

Yep, an aircraft hit the World Trade Centres, not only because there was video evidence, but because there were engines laying on a street not to far from Ground zero, not to mention there were thousands of eye witnesses. Yet if anyone ever brings up this proof against someones agenda, they usually dismiss the aircraft as holograms, witnesses brainwashed, engines planted.... airliners disapearing... and so on. If anyone tells them the technology isn't there, then they will say; 'no, it's secret government technology!1.

HOLOGRAMS!!1111ONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONE2ONE.



[edit on 25/9/07 by JimmyCarterIsSmarter]



reply posted on 25-9-2007 @ 09:45 AM by Boone 870
reply to post by GreenFloyd



Here's some information that I posted from a different thread.


I done some more digging and found a link to the Zacharias Moussaoui trial exhibit and there is a photocopy of Hanis logbook and some jet tech records of his 737 simulator training. Document #'s are PX00021 and PX00021.1 (PDF)

His logbook and record say this....

255 hours total time
74.5 hours IFR (Instrument Flight Rules)
29.9 hours AMEL Turbine (Aircraft Multiengine Land)
12 hours B737-200 simulator time

I can't find what type of twin-engine turbine he had flown, so I can't say for sure if the aircraft that he flew was capable of going above 18,000 feet. He did fly a 737 simulator which means that there's a good chance that he was taught to reset the altimeter at 18,000 feet.

Remember that these records were recorded at 255 hours total time and that leaves almost 350 hours of flying for him to learn more.


Here's the abovetopsecret.com thread.
They had more experience than a couple of hours in a Cessna.









[edit on 25-9-2007 by Boone 870]


reply posted on 25-9-2007 @ 10:21 AM by johnlear
Originally posted by apex



So if you are so sure a 767 can't do that speed at that altitude,


Let's take these questions in order. I said a Boeing 767 could probably do 500 at 700 feet based on the fact that with full thrust it wold probably be able to indicate 440 knots which would be 500 mph. I doubt if it could go much faster, assuming it had the thrust to do so, because it was not designed for that greater speed.

why make it look like something did?


There are reports that the airplanes went faster than 500 mph, such as an initial report that ATC tracked one of the airplanes at 600 mph.

Your question is "Why make it look like something did?". I said whoever perpetrated this illusion was probably trying to keep the speed range in the believable range or at 500 or below.

And if it was difficult to get the speed needed right, why not use a 767 just going slower?


I wasn't in on the planning of 911 so I can't answer that question. If you could find Chick Burlingame I am sure he would be able to answer it.

Seeing as it's so impossible for it to go any faster, surely it makes no sense to fly your amazing 50 year ahead (that idea is getting repeated far too much) faster than it should be.


I think you are confusing the speed of the airplane with the projection of the holographs. The speed of the airplanes was not 50 years ahead in techonology. The speed of the airplanes is a fixed value with todays techonology. Projected holographic images with accompanying sound is technology that may be 50 years advanced from where we think we are at this point in time.

Thanks for the post.
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