reply to post by LDragonFire

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At the end of that Ann Counter part, she started to nag on Corporate America, as soon as she did the whole Fox crew got suddenly quiet. Images of pink slips flashed before their minds. To quote Ann

"Corporate America backed Hitler to" I don't even think I am taking this out of context.

[edit on 23-9-2007 by Redge777]

1) I do not hate Iran. I don't know any Iranians. The only information I have about Iran is debatable and from and extremely biased source.

2) I believe they said we'd be in and out of Iraq in the blink of an eye. That was back in '03. Sure we toppled the government, but where are we today? Personal attacks are completely unnecessary Besides, the Iraqi army didn't fight back because we disbanded it.

3) Tickling patriotism with a statement of pure speculation is still pure speculation. Isn't it weird how insurgents have resisted our invincible force for so long? What happens to a military whose long deployments are tearing it apart?

4/5) If we engage Iran, and a GROUND WAR ensues with other countries joining in... where will we get the boots from? What will happen to oil prices? Who would fund this next war?

6) I like this country/the world the way it is. I do not want to see the possibility of a draft. I will NOT be lied into another war. We are not indestructible, take Rome as an example.

Links were all quick and dirty searches... So may be slightly off.

YouTube Link

[edit on 9/24/07 by Angry Danish]

Could America destroy any country on the planet? Maybe.

But more importantly, do those in power, REAL power, actually want the U.S to win?
War is a constantly changing process.
If you think war just pops up out of nowhere and isn't planned to the finest detail, your forgetting that those who start, control and finish wars have more to lose than the mere lives that their wealth sustain.

Thats what it ALL comes down to. VERY wealthy people doing "business" to maintain and more to the point, expand that wealth. It has NOTHING to do with religion, politics or any of the myriad of reasons we think war is about.

If we knew the truth was simply, we fight and die to maintain and expand the wealth and power of those who "own" us - would we freely fight and die for them to maintain and expand that wealth?

We see the current economical environment and scream "the crash is coming" says who?
What we see happening by those who control the money? ....think about it.
EVERYTHING is not as it seems. If America is losing trillions of dollars, then you can count on it being planned well in advance. Why? As I said, everything is not as it seems, and I dont think anyone, but those who know why, could even begin to formulate the answer. The only clue we have IS the money and the trail it leaves.

The stock market crashes came before and war soon followed. We cry about the current state of our economical affairs and how we cannot afford another war? think again.

On the question of will we fight?

Personally I think the U.S is gearing towards a military system where we wont have to. To take as much of the human factor out of war as possible.
Not in the death and destruction side of the conflict, thats got many benefits for the victors in the rebuilding process, but the actual fighting side of conflict. Never before have we seen such destructive weaponry. And amazingly it is with very little human effort in its deployment. The air domination and missile technology shows the U.S has been busy replacing the human factor of war with technology, where possible.
Its not to say there wont be casualties, there will be of coarse. But I think the need for massive numbers of troops in a conflict to get the job done is changing.

I dont believe attacking anyone would be disastrous for the U.S, as crazy as the current environment would suggest the opposite, it is more than likely that scenario is already well thought out and planned in advance. Its not to say the U.S is some uber world spanking unbeatable force, its just that we work on a global scale now. Its not a matter of the U.S this or the U.S that, its a lot bigger and much more complex than that.


[edit on 23-9-2007 by Burginthorn]

Chilling statement.

Its like some grade-b Hollywood movie...MY AMERICA becoming a greedy evil empire. Growing up I never would have dreamed it possible. I do believe if we do much more damage to the precarious state of the world, the world will take us down like the rabid dog we are rapidly becoming.

Iran will create one hell of a crunch in our already faltering economy. If enough Americans lose our comfort, shelter and way to make a decent wage those 250 million gun owners will visit D.C.

To the OP: Have you ever heard of the Sunburn anti-ship missile? There is a very good possibility it could sink one of our Aircraft Carriers in the gulf. Can you imagine that mess?

WE need to fix our nation, not attack another. I want my country back from morons that think we can do what we want, without consequences.

Sure, US is one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Thanks for reminding us over, and over, and over again. Is that the reason why US is in debt? Who is going to support the fund for another war, the taxpayers, who might I add are still in debt? The wars from Iraq, Afghanistan drained too much money, and the house market is draining too much as well. Another war can lead to the fall of United States, but who really knows now? I mean if what the OP says is true, then we have nothing to fear from Russia, and China.

this is because of the Geneva Conventions. its not that we dont know how to match these tactics. its because when or militay does there job too good we are too quick to hang them.. the rules we follow in combat are much diffrent than it is for them. in a conventinal war we would most likely destroy any army on this planet.

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Oh dear, you seem to be out of reality your self. I regulary visit defensetalk.com and few other military forums to discuss strategy etc.. kinda hobby of mine. Defensetalk.com has several (real) generals posting at their board and one of them said that USA would have serious damage in air raids and if it would try to invade we would be talking about million or more dead Americans. On a side note, did you know they have russian cruise missiles that are impossible to intercept, they are 3 times faster than your tomahawk and 9 times more deadly (bye bye aircraft carriers). Also they have better missile defense system than your patriot (S300 and they will get 400 series soon as duma decides on it), and one of the most advanced radar systems in the world. Russians are going past you in weapons tech on many fields, you are just too self centered to know it. Many professional fighter pilots say that SU-47 make's total killing against F-22 and others, oh and by the way it has 400km range on it's air to air missles, something americans can only dream of, and SU-47 can see all stealth planes. (s300 and 400 series can too), there is lot more tech i can explane to you that beats the #out of american competition, and i would like to remind you that Iran (Persia) has not been conquered in the past 1500 years, and they have fought lot of more wars than americans. I'm really waiting to see american's attack, they will be taught a lesson.

my 2cents...

Eh, what iranians have is better than Sunburn, and uses ramjet tech! Cheers! I will finally see a diving carriers....

Any move against Iran needs to be something quick, mainly by airpower.

Completely destroy their government infrastructure and military research, development, and production capability by air and with limited special forces as needed.

The Iranian threat would then be taken out in less than a week.

No more of this nation building or humanitarian crap we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan any more though. Just keep bombing them back to the stone age over and over as needed -- it's easier and cheaper.

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reply to post by fweshcawfee

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I believe youre needed at the Sean Hannity Discussion Forum.

One day, one week, I doubt one month. That sounds familiar...

reply to post by Agit8dChop

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Need there be anything more said? I think that the aforementioned poster has summed perfectly.

This one is nice

You are human right?

You should check yourself and make sure.

Bomb those children! Yeah baby!

How about we bomb Israel instead, now that would be cheaper and save everyone a lot of grief.

By disastrous i mean like the iraq war.

reply to post by Chorlton

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Typical Eurocentric view of history.

WWII started when the Japanese invaded China in 1931 not when Hitler invaded Poland. The US covertly sent men and material to the Chinese as early as 1937. Both great the UK and USSR would have fallen to Germany without US material support. Active US participation in the Battle for the Atlantic started in Sept '40 with the Bases for Destroyers Agreement more than a year before Pearl Harbor.

I'll not deny the British bulldogs their due respect but but Germany would have eventually forced a peace with Great Britain if they hadn't started a stupid war with the USSR. Hitler doomed himself and his 3rd Reich by that moronic move. The UK was in terrible economic shape when the war began and worse afterwards.

Fweshcoffee I find your comments and opinions most disconcerting. You believe your opinions and views to be the most correct in the face of other posters who find these modalities quite incorrect. I would suggest you keep an open mind to others who think our current foreign policy and occupation of middle eastern lands not the long term answer. Either for our well being or theres or the worlds for that matter. If we had a world coalition that acted democratically to resolve issues that would be more prudent than saying 'we don't need the UN to tell us what to do' cowboy style. Mistakes were made, oh boy were they ever.

No? Once again, what would be the official motive for engaging in war with Iran? So-called WMDs.

Now you read this:



No let me ask you what woud happen to weapons that won't get destroyed by a US air campaign. 1+1=? Angry mobs / terrorists + chemical and/or other WMDs = attacks on the US and US targets abroad.

It's so hard for people to understand that the US is mainly responsible for the increase of enemies who are motivated by hatred against its creator.



[edit on 24-9-2007 by Mdv2]

Oh please spare me the BS. Unless Iran's government, military and weapons programs are all run by children, I said nothing of the sort!




Apparently you have no problems with indiscriminate bombing though, I guess if they're Jews it's all ok, right?

[edit on 9/24/2007 by djohnsto77]

I can bet you 100% that Russian gov will never consider selling S-400 to a country such as Iran. I know their mentality pretty well because I am from around there. Su-47 won't even for sale and Russia has only 1 of them. They already shut the idea of producing Su-47.

One thing which is pretty interesting is that Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians and they are Most and I am talking about MOST mOsT Fanatic nation. The attacking Iran would be devastating for US.
I know that Russia won't be in a war this is 100% they are not stupid, they have chosen a new path which is an economical war.
The S-300 yes is pretty good weapon I am sure and is more advanced than Patriot but the problem is that there is not many of them.

You also have to take into consideration Kolchuga, a Ukrainian jammer and they have more than dozens of them, not like Iraqis which had few of them.

The war against Iran would cause huge instability in the Muslim world and that region and besides, that would really piss off Muslims.

Why even try starting war with them? They are not touching you, don't touch them. The only reason Iran has threatened Israel is because Israel warned them if they will try to develop nuclear weapons, that they(Israel) will strike nuclear sites. We have no proof that Iranian gov does actually developing Nuclear Weapons, will just have to wait and see.

[edit on 24-9-2007 by Odessit]

Obviously, the Russian government doesn't share your 'mentality':

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