A few thoughts for those who think engaging Iran militarily would be disastrous for America

If we went to war with Iran we would not win and here is why:
We would have to use tactical nuclear weapons which would immediately turn EVERY nation against us except for Isreal.
If we used conventional weapons Russia and North Korea would immediately jump on board which would lead to a World War that would be fought on our soil. Aside from the west most of the world believes that we have become imperialists. NO imperialist nation has lived long as they let their pride get the best of them which unfortunately leads to their destruction. Ironically, the downfall of Rome was precluded by other nations revealing truth to the people of Rome. America is NOT the most powerful nation in the world and this is one myth that would be dispelled if we continue this policy of invading sovereign nations. Lets face the facts: America is living on DEBT. Lets say for instance that we do attack Iran and are successful in destroying their nuclear energy facilities then what? There is no MONEY, There is no MILITARY, There are no ALLIES. We're already bogged down in a war we won't win and no your saying we would win if we invaded Iran HOW?

I can always remember it being said within the cold war that any conventional war across Wesern Europe involving massive tank and troop deployment from the East would need to be played out one way or the other within a few weeks else both the Soviet and Nato economies would collapse. War is so very expensive (worse these days too) that money, not weapons or men is the deciding factor.

I also remember hearing that Japan, while I think limited by treaty from having a large standing army, had the protection of their economy on their side. Anyone fighting a war with them would be crippled financially within weeks as multiple sanctions take hold, not only from the Japanese but from those whose own economies depend on them - including the US.

This thread has got to be one of the worst I have ever come across on ATS for warmongers and trolls who are completely devoid of any common sense and intelligence. They were probably educated at the school of verbal diarrhea, hence the reason there full of ****.

Why do some of the more intelligent members persist with threads like this one. It's not like you can even get through to these people.

Troll-hunting can be entertaining sometimes. Especially when there's nothing good on BTS and you've got time to kill and it's raining outside with nothing to watch on TV plus you've read all the books and magazines in your house.

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Umm VOxel. Don't know about the others but after Rome fell we had the Dark Ages then the middle ages and both was hardly better off.

Here is a statistic to be familiar with.
The United States spends more on military weapons and research per year the every country in the world COMBINED. The Russian cruise missiles, although advanced, can be eliminated a number of ways:
FOR EXAMPLE

ABL system
COIL ground systems
Metal Storm anti missile systems
Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD)
Ballistic Missile Defense System (BMDS)
SBP space-based system
nterceptor missile system

If these systems are deployed near Iran, this would greatly decrease risks from short, medium and long range sub or super-sonic missiles.

like...i read a lot of really ignorant views on this forum but u take the bisuit fweshcawfee. you think that any other country is going to go 2 war with the u.s. again? not even us brits are that stupid.
the fact is mate, america is on its way out, every 1 has seen it 4 the eveil it is. there'd b a lot less war and death if america just woke up 2moro and realised its dollars r worth pennies in real terms and faded off the world spectrum.
heres hopin' !!!!!!

Actually, that is incorrect. The US has a number of systems that could destroy the russian missiles after launch. For example both the ABL and COIL systems intercept at 186,000 MILES per second (the speed of light) which is ALOT faster then mach 2.8.

Also the Metal Storm interceptor system could destroy the russian missile.

Just to name a few.

I am always disheartened to read comments like this. As if America is an entity that is evil. Once again, let me state that there is a HUGE difference between what american citizens want and what the current government administration wants.
There are facts:
The majority of americans do NOT want a conflict with Iran regardless of our feelings for it's president.
The majority of americans want our troops out of Iraq.
The majority of americans want both Cheney and Bush impeached.

So when someone says they want america to fall, please understand that you are saying that you want it's people to fall. American citizens are among the most generous in the world. When something bad happens anywhere, we want to help. American citizens are NOT war mongers. Please direct the war mongering comments DIRECTLY to the administration.

Thanks.

I'm sure that these systems are good for missile defense, but this baby is just unstopable, you don't have good enough targeting systems and you cannot see the Missile since it's stealth. It's just impossible to destroy it. Iran has around 200 of these, maybe more next year and all these are from russia.

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You are misinformed, you cannot stop it. There is just no way, if war breaks you will see proof.

please discuss the topic at hand without attacking eachother.

Thank You

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No, I am correctly informed. A laser (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation) travels at the speed of light and can intercept any missile in existence at the moment including the one you've mentioned as it travels less then the speed of light.

Russians have technology to turn all American's to little frogs, so how can you use your system if you are a frog? They might have that tech, but it is not depolyed, also i would like to see the targeting system that would accomplish this.

Our Aegis systems can't hit the Sunburn, but our missiles can.



everything2.com...

Or, if you're interested in our specific answer to the Sunburn, there is the seaRAM missile:



www.freerepublic.com...

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Sunburn is not invincible. At any rate, I'm sure anti-ship missiles will be among the first targets to be attacked, and we can launch aircraft from nearby land airports until the Sunburn threat is neutralized.

And no, I do not think we SHOULD attack Iran. I do not think we could AFFORD to attack Iran. The problem with economical arguments is that the money doesn't become an issue until *AFTER* we've dropped all the bombs.

I agree with Neformore. Further, I am not "anti-American"..... I am anti-American Empire. Absolutely and with no reservations. The whole notion of "empire" is anti-American - should you elect to read what our founding fathers wrote. And your irrelevant comment about German Rule........ It wasn't the U.S. who defeated Nazi Germany. Important yes, crucial, no. It was the Soviet Union. I was not and am not a fan of the USSR but I advise, speak truth or don't speak. And yes, Santayana was right about history. My only amazement is that you know so little history.

I was not talking about sunburn, this missile i talk about flyes not 60 meters above surface, but 10 meters and with speed of 2.8mach, your systems are not going to stop it.

Also sorry to burst you bubble, but USA will get it's ass kicked in. As patriot Americans i understand your eagerness to defend your uberness.

LOL, kicked by Iran? Frayed knot.

I just love it when somebody justifies their aversion to attacking Iran on the "we can not afford it" rationalization. What inanity. We can not afford it because that is not what America was created to be about. Read the damn Constitution. Read what the authors of that document have to say about the Republic. Search your souls, if you have them, and ask whether it is 'right' to attack a country that has done us little harm and that poses nor has offered any threat. All in order to steal their resources. Any wonder that the world despises Americans.

ah, talking to the sheep.