reply to post by Mirthful Me
OK, so there's not a "national level". Whoops. But UGLE does have a lot of sway over the lodges it's in amity with, it can pressure them to do the
right thing, it has "dropped" lodges that didn't have their act together before, such as the Grand Orient of Italy.
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reply posted on 23-9-2007 @ 09:36 PM by Mirthful Me
reply to post by uberarcanist
Not really... There can't be any direct influence by the UGLE with any Lodge in the U.S. There can be some limited influence with the UGLE and a particular Grand Lodge (big difference), but it would be if there was a gross departure from the recognized Landmarks.
I would suggest the profane are ill equipped to comment on this "situation" and it's "remedy."
As for the OP, I can't fathom using a venue like ATS for advice and a potential resolution even if there was some veracity to the described events, and the "details" of said event are more than suspect.
Not really... There can't be any direct influence by the UGLE with any Lodge in the U.S. There can be some limited influence with the UGLE and a particular Grand Lodge (big difference), but it would be if there was a gross departure from the recognized Landmarks.
I would suggest the profane are ill equipped to comment on this "situation" and it's "remedy."
As for the OP, I can't fathom using a venue like ATS for advice and a potential resolution even if there was some veracity to the described events, and the "details" of said event are more than suspect.
reply posted on 23-9-2007 @ 09:38 PM by uberarcanist
reply to post by Mirthful Me
Yeah, best not to worry about it, anyways, because I'm not thinking that there is much left to be said on the thread.
I hope none of my comments are construed as negative against Masonry-I admire it a lot and hope to join just as soon as I don't have so many irons in the fire.
Yeah, best not to worry about it, anyways, because I'm not thinking that there is much left to be said on the thread.
I hope none of my comments are construed as negative against Masonry-I admire it a lot and hope to join just as soon as I don't have so many irons in the fire.
reply posted on 23-9-2007 @ 11:54 PM by uberarcanist
reply to post by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Enh, sounds to me if someone hasn't been busted for their indiscretions in the lodge in the past might start to get cocky after awhile and eventually try something stupid like this. Alternatively, if someone had an axe to grind with a lodge, what better way to get even than to try to destroy it from the inside with shenanigans like this?
Enh, sounds to me if someone hasn't been busted for their indiscretions in the lodge in the past might start to get cocky after awhile and eventually try something stupid like this. Alternatively, if someone had an axe to grind with a lodge, what better way to get even than to try to destroy it from the inside with shenanigans like this?
reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 10:42 AM by uberarcanist
reply to post by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Well, I don't live in a small tourist destination town, so at least it's a relief that your lodge can't be one of the ones I'm considering joining.
Well, I don't live in a small tourist destination town, so at least it's a relief that your lodge can't be one of the ones I'm considering joining.
reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 12:03 PM by Masonic Student
reply to post by HDFACTORYCERTIF
HDFACTORYCERTIF
Assuming that your post is not in jest. You appear to have two courses open to you. The first would be to demit from the “monkey” lodge and continue your Masonic activities through the lodge where you are a line officer. Or second, to continue to attempt to correct the behavior of the “monkeys” in the second lodge.
If you elect to continue to try and change the behavior it sounds as if you will be asking for an enormous amount of personal grief. The behavior needs correcting and since it has already been brought to the attention of the Grand Lodge, at this point the only option to continue that I’m aware of is to file Masonic charges against the men involved. Depending on the Grand Lodge the procedures can be found by calling the Grand Secretary at your Grand Lodge office.
The master of your home lodge (I’m assuming that it is the one where you are in line) would be a good source of help and advice, or else one of the past masters there.
Good luck, feel free to U2U me if I can help.
HDFACTORYCERTIF
Assuming that your post is not in jest. You appear to have two courses open to you. The first would be to demit from the “monkey” lodge and continue your Masonic activities through the lodge where you are a line officer. Or second, to continue to attempt to correct the behavior of the “monkeys” in the second lodge.
If you elect to continue to try and change the behavior it sounds as if you will be asking for an enormous amount of personal grief. The behavior needs correcting and since it has already been brought to the attention of the Grand Lodge, at this point the only option to continue that I’m aware of is to file Masonic charges against the men involved. Depending on the Grand Lodge the procedures can be found by calling the Grand Secretary at your Grand Lodge office.
The master of your home lodge (I’m assuming that it is the one where you are in line) would be a good source of help and advice, or else one of the past masters there.
Good luck, feel free to U2U me if I can help.
reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 12:06 PM by uberarcanist
reply to post by Masonic Student
MS, I would like to thank you for the civility and helpfulness of your post, it's a refreshing contrast to the hostile remarks by some of the other Masons on this thread.
MS, I would like to thank you for the civility and helpfulness of your post, it's a refreshing contrast to the hostile remarks by some of the other Masons on this thread.
reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 12:47 PM by Masonic Student
reply to post by uberarcanist
UC
Thank you for the kind words. Many of the Brothers who frequently post here have defended our fraternity so long that they are more skeptical than I am of the "out of the norm" comments.
While I sincerely hope that the situation as described is only to see the reaction of the members of ATS to the question, I have seen “fun” get out of hand in various lodges over the years, none have gotten this far out of hand. And all were brought back within due bounds by the members, quietly and “within the lodge”.
UC
Thank you for the kind words. Many of the Brothers who frequently post here have defended our fraternity so long that they are more skeptical than I am of the "out of the norm" comments.
While I sincerely hope that the situation as described is only to see the reaction of the members of ATS to the question, I have seen “fun” get out of hand in various lodges over the years, none have gotten this far out of hand. And all were brought back within due bounds by the members, quietly and “within the lodge”.
reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 02:00 PM by Masonic Student
reply to post by HDFACTORYCERTIF
HD
Here
This is a link to the Wisconsin Grand Lodge. The link to the secretary will lead you to his name and an 800-phone number for him.
I’d still check with the master of your home lodge and or several past masters for advice first though.
HD
Here
This is a link to the Wisconsin Grand Lodge. The link to the secretary will lead you to his name and an 800-phone number for him.
I’d still check with the master of your home lodge and or several past masters for advice first though.
reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 02:27 PM by uberarcanist
reply to post by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Yeah, that is absolutely outrageous. It really says a lot about the nerve of the lodge officers and their brazen certainty they would not be punished. Why didn't the Grand Lodge throw them out of Masonry right then and there?
Yeah, that is absolutely outrageous. It really says a lot about the nerve of the lodge officers and their brazen certainty they would not be punished. Why didn't the Grand Lodge throw them out of Masonry right then and there?
reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 02:41 PM by Masonic Light
reply to post by uberarcanist
One can only wonder. I've seen charters suspended for *much* less. For a Mason to say "obligations are only words" is mindboggling. This in itself is cause for action, and to initiate charges leading toward expulsion.
And I certainly can't even begin to imagine addressing the East as "Worshipful Monkey"....unless, of course, Mirthful was sitting there!
One can only wonder. I've seen charters suspended for *much* less. For a Mason to say "obligations are only words" is mindboggling. This in itself is cause for action, and to initiate charges leading toward expulsion.
And I certainly can't even begin to imagine addressing the East as "Worshipful Monkey"....unless, of course, Mirthful was sitting there!
reply posted on 24-9-2007 @ 02:59 PM by Mirthful Me
reply to post by Masonic Light
Even on that august occasion... It would be inappropriate in my eyes. While I have engaged in a wee bit of levity from time to time (ML I'll have to U2U you one of my favorite exploits), it was never at the expense of any Tenet or Landmark... And it would never extend to such an offensive declaration. I have no doubt whatsoever that if the Officers of my Lodge conducted themselves in such a manner, that there would be a race to the Charter by the Past Masters (many of which now hold District or Grand Lodge positions) and it would be marched out of Lodge with all the members in tow post haste.
I question the claim of the OP that the Grand Master has "required" his attendance to a Lodge in which he doesn't hold office, and is not his home Lodge (personally, I'd like to see a Grand Master "require" anyone to attend their Home Lodge's meetings, much less anothers).
I'm beyond skeptical on this one.
Even on that august occasion... It would be inappropriate in my eyes. While I have engaged in a wee bit of levity from time to time (ML I'll have to U2U you one of my favorite exploits), it was never at the expense of any Tenet or Landmark... And it would never extend to such an offensive declaration. I have no doubt whatsoever that if the Officers of my Lodge conducted themselves in such a manner, that there would be a race to the Charter by the Past Masters (many of which now hold District or Grand Lodge positions) and it would be marched out of Lodge with all the members in tow post haste.
I question the claim of the OP that the Grand Master has "required" his attendance to a Lodge in which he doesn't hold office, and is not his home Lodge (personally, I'd like to see a Grand Master "require" anyone to attend their Home Lodge's meetings, much less anothers).
I'm beyond skeptical on this one.
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