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reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 10:37 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by HDFACTORYCERTIF




Just how would I know what it would to be a GOOD Mason?


To be a GOOD Mason? Try following your own obligations, which you failed utterly at (if you are in fact a Mason). Discussing lodge politics on an open forum is disrespectful to an extreme.. On top of that, you bandering on and on about the Grand Lodge of what ever your from, is derogatory at best. You apparently have a big problem with the Authority of the Grand lodge, and your own lodge for that matter. It makes me wonder just who is at fault here? Who does more damage to the respect of the craft? Who is disobaying their own obligations?


Here at this place, The Obligations Are Meaningless Words, the Grand Lodge concurs and shows the same in its actions.


Practice what you speak.

I live in Ohio, I know axe is from Texas, I know Wu is from New York, and ML is from South Carolina, and LND is from North Carolina.

I think that list is right.

The point is...

We all come from different lodges. I only know of one other Mason on here from Ohio..

What does this mean? Well, if you where a Mason, you would know, that this means that we all have a different Masonic government, that we CANNOT act on YOUR behalf with YOUR issues with YOUR Grand Lodge.

You need to raise this issue with people in YOUR community.. because we cannot help you.


Greed over the assets is the rule of the officers, mocking of the ritual shows the regard to what ever is left of the craft.


This is something that I don't remember being an issue before, this supposed 7 million or so in assets. Not only is that an obcene amount of money for a small town lodge, which right there raises red flags, but also a lodge with that much money, imo, would be subject to more scrutiny. The assets cannot be used for any purpose what so ever.. there are more then just Masonic regulations to that, but actual State, Local, and Federal tax obligations that, again, would raise red flags.

I have to question your own motives here?

Anyways, the subject cannot be helped here at ATS, and I implore the Mods to shut the thread down as a hoax unless this guy discloses the lodge he is writing libel against.


reply posted on 16-2-2008 @ 11:41 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by HDFACTORYCERTIF



Is this your lodge?

Walla Walla Washington?

Walla Walla Lodge, #7

Or perhaps Blue Mountain Lodge, #13 Both in District No. 24.

I despise having to hunt for that information, HD.

Almost as much as I despise someone making audacious claims against someone(s) without telling exactly who they are talking about.


reply posted on 17-2-2008 @ 12:26 AM by Rockpuck
reply to post by intrepid



I am honestly interested in what he means as well.

The biggest problem I have with you HD is that everyone is out to get you. Generally, if every single person is in the wrong, it is your self who is actually in the wrong.

If you are who you claim you are, and one of these are in fact your lodge.. I am leaning towards Walla Walla #7 .. you will not have a problem with me contacting said lodge and asking a few questions? I am sure they would love to know what is said about them, on a site visited by over a million people a month.

Anyways, steel man, best of luck to you and your lodge.. just know that I am not out "to get you" .. Just looking for answers.


reply posted on 17-2-2008 @ 12:42 AM by Rockpuck
reply to post by HDFACTORYCERTIF



Whats with the whole military tone? Stand down from what? If you are honestly in the situation you say you are.. perhaps its just you blowing it way out of proportion? Seems to be what your doing with my posts, most likely with your situation as well?

Enemy? Yeah. Sounds like you make enemies quite easily.

It's a shame, but I honestly don't like you, I don't believe you and I don't trust you.

Not personally attacking you by any means, but if you feel this way towards someone, you might as well up front let them know eh?

However. If you can prove to me the situation is as you say it is.. by all means, I will eat my own words and deeply appologize. From what I have seen so far, and by judging your actions and your character.. I do not believe a word you say.

I am also curious as to why you would choose ATS of all places?

Try Virtual Lodge #1 to express your issues.. if they except you, and if you know what I mean?

(MODS) Just to clarify, in regards to the issue the OP is bringing about, his personal self has quite a bit of relation to the actual "problem" .. I am not TRYING to attack him personally.. and do not intend to be rude.

If I come off as such, HD, I am sorry.

[edit on 2/17/2008 by Rockpuck]


reply posted on 17-2-2008 @ 09:19 AM by AugustusMasonicus
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



Greetings Bill,

I understand that this is a fairly long thread and you might have not read it in its entirety but I feel that there are not any speculations being made in it, only allegations. Allegations which began as merely troubling-Masons supposedly acting like monkeys and disregarding obligations-and have since progressed to those of a felonious nature-supposed embezzlement and illicit arms manufacturing.

The original poster, when questioned, seems to, in my opinion, invent ever new claims and transgressions without substantiating the prior allegations. Numerous offers of assistance have been made but have only been repeatedly rebuffed by the Original Poster while the claims continue to mount.

My remarks regarding reprecussions may have been minconstrued by yourself as I was not refering to ramifications from the Above Top Secret staff but instead from legal authorities. Earlier the Original Poster remarked that legally he could not discuss the alleged accounts transpiring in his lodge but continues to post inflamatory and disturbing remarks on a regualr basis. If my post was unclear in this regard I apologize, as this was not my intention.

[edit on 17-2-2008 by AugustusMasonicus]

[edit on 17-2-2008 by AugustusMasonicus]


reply posted on 17-2-2008 @ 09:55 AM by Rockpuck
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



The bias treatment is so far beyond what I would have, at one time, considered below ATS standards.

So what CAN I say SO without upsetting you?

"Why hello there HD, how are you? Masons acting like apes in open lodges? OMG sounds insane! .. Making guns and plotting to kill your friend? .. interesting. So your publicly outing an entire group of people on an internet forum (Walla walla 7 district 24) behind their backs without proof of your claims? And your claiming said people are embezzeling over 7.5 million dollars and that the entire Masonic government is corrupt and siding with the money?

Well sounds like an issue, but according to ATS rules and regulations, being a Mason I do not have the freedom of speech to question your story, so I will, and everyone else reading it, take it as fact and be on my way."

I find the overhaul of the SS forum to be nothing short of disturbing in regards to the principles this site was founded on. For as long as I have been here, for as many posts that I have made, and the thousands of conversations I have had.. Never have I felt as disrespected as I have from you SO.

Now censor this post.
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