Mattel, China and Disinfo, page 1


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Topic started on 22-9-2007 @ 10:30 AM by DontTreadOnMe
Do you think we are being lead astray and not told the whole truth about problem products coming from China?
Could the US/media/whoever be telling folks what they want to hear to creat animosity between the US and China? For what reasons?

We now hear that Mattel had to apologize to China. Seems like they neglected to mention their responsibility in the recalled toys.

news.yahoo.com...
Mattel previously said many of the toys were recalled because of design problems. It also said certain vendors in China or their subcontractors violated Mattel's rules by failing to use safe paint or to run tests on paint.

On Friday, Debrowski acknowledged that the "vast majority of those products that were recalled were the result of a design flaw in Mattel's design, not through a manufacturing flaw in China's manufacturers."

Lead-tainted toys accounted for only a small percentage of all toys recalled, he added

(emphasis is mine)

www.cbc.ca...
www.iht.com...

This part of the story is getting very little attention, in fact I was surprised no one posted a topic about it here yet.
We are getting alarmed at what China is sending us, especially when it affects our pets and children.
Are we being fooled into thinking it is a problem only with China? Are the mega-corporations hiding behind the media and blaming China for what is partialy their problem, too?


reply posted on 22-9-2007 @ 11:36 AM by khunmoon
Originally posted by Beachcoma
What matters the most to corporations is money and the bottom line. Morality has no place in capitalism.


True.

Remember in the China stock threads I mentioned a documentary analyzing the psychologi of corporate behavior?

Dug it out, here it is.

To create maximum profit takes a psychopath. A great part of top executives actually fit into the category.

Using the WHO definitions for a psychopath, it requires six behavorial attitudes to be met.

1)Callous unconcern for the feelings of others
2)Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships
3)Reckless disregard for the safety of others
4)Deceitfulness: Repeated lying to and deceiving of others for profit
5)Incapacity to experience guilt
6)Failure to conform to the social norms with respect to lawful behaviors

The corporation fulfills them all.

A psychopath diagnose is the only psychiatric ailment where the patient does not suffer. Only the surroundings do.

The observation is not my own, but from a book:
Joel Bakan "The Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power".

A 3-part TV documentary has been made over it as well, a Canadian production by Mark Achbar's and Jennifer Abbott's, "The Corporation".

Why corporations can get away with it, is because they are persons. The benchmark is justified, because they are NOT entities, they are individuals equal in rights to the flesh'n-blood kind.

Comes down to the 14th amendment, initially added to state the rights of freed slaves.

However between 1890 and 1910 307 cases were brought to the Supreme Court dealing with the 14th amendment. Out of the 307 only 19 cases were made by African Americans. The 288 came from corporate lawyers seeking "equal" rights for their corporate entities.

That's the presedence.
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To get back on topic: worst case I know of is this one.

A case from Panama killing at least 100 children through tainted glycol used in cough medicine.

The story is here.

From China to Panama, a Trail of Poisoned Medicine

Only this NYT article gave it attention in American mainstream media. Maybe because it was not pets and not our children.
www.nytimes.com...

Let me say I'm sure similar and just as horrific cases occure inside China. We just don't hear about them, because they're seldom reported in local media. The NYT article gives some hints about the problem domestic.

The reason for this tainting of goods as well as image, is to be found in a huge unregulated market ridden by corruption from state level downwards.

Also the mentality must be taken into account. A mentality which I still -after living almost a decade in that part of the world- just don't get. They don't give a damn about the welfare and lives of others.

But they care alot about reputation. So it's a combination of greed, corruption and a lack of regulation that causes it.

As for the greed, the ordering companies do have a part responsibility.



reply posted on 22-9-2007 @ 01:59 PM by uberarcanist
reply to post by Beachcoma



Anyone who says morality has no place in capitalism clearly doesn't have good business sense. Unethical behavior hurts profits and the experiences of Enron, Worldcom, and many now bankrupt or nearly bankrupt mortgage lenders can serve as proof of that. Although it is true that some corporations have gotten ahead through unethical behavior, it is very foolish for anybody to base their business model on immoral practices. The chances are high that the customers will punish you if you do.


reply posted on 22-9-2007 @ 02:04 PM by Beachcoma
reply to post by uberarcanist



I'm just mentioning what I observe to be the case in this world. Read khunmoon's post, the points he brought up are quite valid for most mega-corporations.

Enron, Worldcom, etc. are just the fools that got caught.


reply posted on 22-9-2007 @ 02:43 PM by uberarcanist
reply to post by Beachcoma



Well, I think it could well be the case of a few bad apples spoiling the whole bunch. Think about it: the vast majority of consumer products are safe when used properly. Though, I will agree that there are a lot of firms out there going unpunished, which is why we need to be vigilant and hold everyone accountable.


reply posted on 22-9-2007 @ 03:35 PM by DontTreadOnMe
reply to post by uberarcanist


Yes, and while we need to be vigilant and hold those responsible, we also need to hold ourselves responisible so far as we can to keep ourselves and those close to us safe.

It has definitely been shown that we cannot allow the government to keep us safe, they have shown they cannot. We can no longer assume they can keep us safe.
We need to take back our lives, as much as we can, as often as we can.

Mattel, the EPA, China, the ACLU and the MSM have their own agendas and they are not necessarily ours.


edit, speelling, gramar


[edit on 22-9-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]



reply posted on 22-9-2007 @ 03:52 PM by uberarcanist
reply to post by Beachcoma



Yeah, it definitely smells fishy. But I wouldn't generalize this incident to claim that morals don't have a place in capitalism.


reply posted on 22-9-2007 @ 05:11 PM by Beachcoma
reply to post by DontTreadOnMe



Interesting. That bit wasn't in the article I read on BBC. In fact the BBC article was quite brief.

Mattel apology over toy recalls

This just goes to show that for every piece of news that comes out, we should also read the article on other news sources.


reply posted on 22-9-2007 @ 07:21 PM by khunmoon
US firm recalls China-made cots


US baby furniture supplier Simplicity is recalling about one million Chinese-made cots that have been linked to at least two infant deaths.

The adjustable side of the cot can detach, creating a dangerous gap that may trap a baby, said the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC).

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Another story where a China-made product is being recalled, not because it's made in China, but BECAUSE OF DESIGN FLAW.

Infants dying, we don't have to speculate who the public will blame. Not Wal-Mart or Simplicity, the manufacture.

Is an Anti-China campaign dawning?

[edit on 22-9-2007 by khunmoon]
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