Originally posted by camain
While the Bible is the oldest "Book" that is still in circulation,
Camain

Rubbish.

There are many "books" older than the bible still in circulation.
Such as the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Pyramid Texts, the Hindu scriptures.


Iasion

[edit on 14-7-2008 by Iasion]

Originally posted by whirlwind
Of course there is evidence.

No, there is not.
But if YOU think there is, please POST this evidence, OK?

Originally posted by whirlwind
They are shown inscribed on the walls as building in Egypt.

No, they are not.
But if YOU think so, please show these inscriptions.

Originally posted by whirlwind
They wandered for 40 years because they were being punished,

Which would leave a HUGE amount of evidence behind - broken pots, fireplaces, and - several MILLION RONS of dried feces.
But -
there is NO evidence found after much looking.
The facts are crystal clear - the exodus never happened.

Originally posted by whirlwind
At the bottom of the Red Sea chariot wheels have been found belonging to that dynasty.

No, they havent.

Originally posted by whirlwind
Also, there is evidence on Mt. Sinai of an encampment and places of worship.

Maybe there is - so what?

Originally posted by whirlwind
God doesn't lie,

Yes he does -
in the Garden of Eden he said Adam and Eve would die on the very day they ate of the tree.
But, they DID eat, and they did NOT die.
God lied.
(Meanwhile - the serpent told the truth.)

Originally posted by whirlwind
His Book doesn't lie.

Yes it does.
Serpents don't talk, and many many other lies are found in this book.

Originally posted by whirlwind
An ancient jewish historian name joseephus wrote about Jesus and his followers later a first century Roman historian also wrote about Jesus and the fact he was crucified, at least we do have evidence of this (althoguh written decades or centuries after the fact.

Rubbish.
The T.F. passage is known to be corrupt.

But that's the best "evidence" Christians can come up with for Jesus - a corrupt, possibly forged, passage from DECADES afterwards.

Originally posted by whirlwind
Time itself changed with Christ and you question His life?

What stupid nonsense.
Time did NOT change with Christ at all.

But -
several CENTURIES after the alleged Jesus, SOME people in SOME cultures started using the A.D. system. Some don't.

Consider -
we name our days after Gods - e.g. Thursday named after Thor.
According to whirlwind, this proves Thor is real.
What nonsense.

Originally posted by whirlwind
If you believe the Bible is the word of God you cannot pick and choose which parts to live your life by you must incorparate it all.

Right -
So you don't eat pork?
Or shellfish?
You don't wear mixed cloths?
You don't work on Sunday?
You stone naughty children to death?
Hmm?

Do you really follow all the rules?
Of course you don.t
Which makes you a lieing hypocrite.

Originally posted by whirlwind
I'm not familiar with what scripture you are referencing about selling a daughter.

What?
You JUST CLAIMED we had to follow ALL the rules !
Now we find out you don't even KNOW the rules!
Ignorant hypocrite.

Originally posted by whirlwind
The pictures we see of Jesus of course, are artist's depiction, but I believe He did actually have long hair. The reference to it being a sin for man to have long hair is about homosexuality not the literal wearing of long hair.

What?!
You JUST CLAIMED we had to follow ALL the rules !
Now you say it's OK for Jesus to BREAK the rules !
What nonsense.



Iasion

Originally posted by jedimiller
from what i've seen so far, there's lot of people in here trying to debunk the bible, saying it's not historical. it IS history. it's where we all came from, creation is explained very well there, it's all in front of you, all you have to do is pick up a book and read. it's not a lie, the lie comes from lying to yourself. so be honest with yourself and accept it, then it will all be clear to you. it's no lie, people had no reason to lie back then, there were honest people with honest living and fundamental beliefs.

from what i've seen so far, there's lot of people in here trying to debunk the Bhagavad Gita, saying it's not historical. it IS history. it's where we all came from, creation is explained very well there, it's all in front of you, all you have to do is pick up a book and read. it's not a lie, the lie comes from lying to yourself. so be honest with yourself and accept it, then it will all be clear to you. it's no lie, people had no reason to lie back then, there were honest people with honest living and fundamental beliefs.

Does that convice you?
No?

But somehow, you think preaching YOUR holy book will convince people.
Why?


Iasion

Originally posted by infamouskiller
They have found evidence that the Jews were free and built the pyramids willingly.

No,
they havent.

And, not surprisingly, you totally FAIL to cite this evidence.
Just like all the preachers here.

Come on -
SHOW us this evidence !


Iasion

Originally posted by infamouskiller
Emporer Constatine threw out many books before them.

False.

Emperor Constantine had NOTHING to do with choosing the books of the Bible.


Iasion

Originally posted by xx157
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us."
Pope Leo X (1513-`521)

Just a tip for you :

The is famouse quote is all over the 'net.
But, it's not true.
Note that no specific source is ever given (i.e. a document name.)

Pope Leo did NOT say that himself.
It's from a later PLAY about him by John Bale called "The Pageant of Popes"


Iasion

Originally posted by thestatue
now with the moses thing that someone had eluded to the erasing of text by the Egyptians this can be very well proven a wall from the same time once had images on it but it was completed scrapped and carved away as if to erase the very story of moses......everything answered pretty thoroughly i just had to put that there

But once again,
you provide NO evidence,
just preaching...
Yawn.


Iasion

Originally posted by camain
While the Bible is the oldest "Book" that is still in circulation,

No, it is not.
Don't you people ever check anything?

There are many books older than the bible, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh (from which some details were copied into the Bible.)


Iasion

I didn't bother to sift through 10 pages of back and forth arguments to see if this had been stated, so I will state it now just to humor myself.

The OP was taken pretty much line for line from Penn and Tellers bull#. The episode is titled The Bible is Bull#. His arguement from Genesis to the New Testament and everything in between is nothing but a rip off of someone elses arguement. Normally it wouldn't bother me because I enjoy Penn and Teller's show, but this guy makes no arguements of his own. The very least he should have stated that he saw this on a show and it makes sense to him, instead of passing it off as his own arguement.

Originally posted by mrwupy
Good grief, You start by saying you believe in God then start tearing other peoples beliefs apart. Unless you can give absolute proof that your beliefs are better than theirs than your arguing over who has the better imaginary friend.

The problem with all religions isn't that you think you've cornered the market on God, but that you have to prove no one else has.

It's not abut the Bible, or the Koran or the dead sea scrolls or anything else along those lines.

The problem is fine ATS members like you wanting to tell everyone else their belief in God is wrong while sitting in your little ivory tower and passing judgment.

ALL people should be free to believe as they choose without someone else sitting around telling them how wrong they are.

Religion should be in the heart, Not on the battlefield. Until we all accept that, the senseless killings will go on.

______________________

hes pointing out that mankind wrote the books of the bible, and that our hatreds of eachother, since were all the same. For instance he mentioned the line about homosexuality, A human wrote that, GOD DID NOT. In FACT GOD MADE GAYS. GOD MADE THE LION TO EAT THE ELK, THOUGH ITS CALLED KILLING. Its just way things are. Christians cannot admit that they are dirty skin. THey are not sanctified because they went to a church and participated in some thing that made them "feel" a certain way, feeling are generaly self deception. Its what the church relies on, vague sensation. The real Jesus, if he re-incarnates as the bible eludes to mentioning a New Name called Rightious and True. Will not use sensation, he will tell you things that offend you and make you hate the truth, until you face it. Why does God need to sweeten the truth up for people in denial.

God made the universe free, he made it, set it free, and randomly intrudes based on responses from our collective vbrational spectrums.
The universe is not this visual representation of old buildings, or crooked ugly people. Our spiritual image is beautiful, and yes i have seen a piece of this inner heaven.



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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
there are no other books that are older than the Bible.
the epic of gilgamesh is a story that is not true it is a representation of the life of the historic people in the periods of the times in the Bible.

Wrong.
There are many books older than the bible.
Go check the facts please.

The Epic of Gilgamesh DOES date from long before the bible.
And, the Bible's flood story is clearly copied from that earlier work.


Kapyong


[edit on 9-10-2008 by Kapyong]