Man urinates on dying woman, declaring it 'YouTube material', page 1

Shouting, "This is YouTube material!" a 27-year-old British man urinated on a dying woman who had collapsed on the street, the BBC and local Hartepool Mail and Northern Echo tell us. He also doused her with a bucket of water and covered her with shaving cream.

The woman, 50-year-old Christine Lakinski, died at the scene of pancreatic failure.

In a sad sign of the times, it was all recorded on a mobile phone.
source

[edit on 9/22/2007 by pstiffy]

In the interest of keeping the issue fair I will point out that only one source has been given in this thread up to this point.

A google news on 'Man urinates on dying woman' gives
and

Actually I was gonna say that most of the sites reporting this were not UK, but that is not the case.

uk
uk
uk (bbc)

not good.

Here is a link to the full story as reported in the local paper.
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk...

Whilst I don't advocate life imprisonment, bread and water with the odd session on the rack thrown in, this man will probably get 12 - 18 months which means he will actually serve 6 months jail, probably in Holme House, Category B prison in Stockton - On - Tees, about 10 miles from where he lives, so plenty of visits etc. Not a walk in the park but hardly a prison renowned for it's strict regime.

reply to post by Freeborn

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lets all take a moment of self examination and ask what might we do.

We are out drinking with friends, being macho and tough, walking out of the bar, on the side of the street in dimly lit conditions is a homeless person. Would we help? would we ignore, some might even think it funny to make fun of this person down on their luck. He probably did not know she was dying, I am not excusing him, he also didn't care.

Those who just walk by did far better then this guy, but I have read stories of kids paying bums to hurt themselfs so they cold film it, kicking them around to get them out of town, and in some cases lighting them on fire. This guy is an extream case of what we hear and see all to often, lack of compassion.

reply to post by Redge777

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Having a laugh and a joke are one thing but let's look at the facts;

1st time, calls her a smackhead and kicks her feet. No response.
2nd time, pours a bowl of water over her head. No response.

I think by now the penny might have dropped that the jokes over and that there is something wrong here, but no;

3rd time, cover her in shaving foam. Still no response.

Err, now what, I know i'll lag all over her, that'll be a great laugh cos there is obviously something seriously wrong here.

Then what, by that was a laugh, let's go and get bladdered and show everyone we meet what a laugh it was cos we filmed it all!

Like I said before, don't think he should get tarred and feathered but 6month walk in the park in a nick just down the road from where he lives, cos that'll be all he get's.

No-one likes a laugh and a giggle more than me but come on, where do you draw the line?
This was totally unacceptable by anyone's standards.

reply to post by Freeborn

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yes totally unacceptable, I have a habit of trying to get into the minds of others and guess where their malfunction occured. Many times this helps me identify and handle some judgements I have. I do not excuse nor understand his actions, but I am trying to just to figure the madness of it out.

But your comment makes sence, your right, he may have known she was dying, that send shivers down my spine, that is an even worse level of lack of carrying.

I did see an interesting experiment. a man lays on the road in NY or a big city, everyone walks by, same experiment in small town, people help. The conclusion was that we as humans we create a village of people we share empathy with, becuase our physical and emotional resources are limited we build walls to stop others from entering our envelope of carring.

The more people we face day to day, the more we have to put the guardian of compassion up front. It has been postilated that some inhumane actions actually are a subconsciece attempt to build this wall.

So a person who worked at a concentration camp, might become mean just to reinforce the areas that are giving him ability to resist empathy

Just a thought.


[edit on 22-9-2007 by Redge777]

reply to post by Redge777

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I have to disagree here. Anyone who would do such a thing, drunk or not, is a little lacking in the "conscience" department. I have been drunk many a night, and not only would I never find this appropriate, the thought of doing such a thing would never occur to me. Descecrating a human body, alive or dead (or perhaps, even worse-dying and in need of help and peace) is depravity. Period.

And how do we know the woman was homeless? Not that it matters, seeing as homeless people are in fact human beings, but the original post from the OP didn't say that. (Unless I missed it.) And I would like to think that in the same situation I would call 911, find help, something.

Oh, and not all youtubers are "idiots." I get my news from youtube, in fact- I have 3 people I subscribe to who send out news clips from American MSM, as well as the BBC and CBC. (Actually, one of the users I subscribe to is "newshoundsblog," whose slogan is "We watch Fox so you don't have to.") I do not have cable, and youtube has pretty much replaced my TV.

Originally posted by GetOutOfMyRabbitHole
reply to post by Redge777

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I have to disagree here. Anyone who would do such a thing, drunk or not, is a little lacking in the "conscience" department.

seeing as homeless people are in fact human beings,

I so agree, I completly agree, I was only trying to understand his thoughts. I feel embarrised if anyone thought I was defending him. I was only trying to wrap my mind and try to understand how he eliminated his compassion, or conscience so much.

I only said homeless because they are treated the worst.
I was trying to make a point that we all, including me can do better. I was not defending him

[edit on 22-9-2007 by Redge777]

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