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Is China declaring war on America?

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posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 11:20 AM
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reply to post by marg6043
 


China is a very big country that's growing very fast economically, but when it comes to production there is a lot of inconsistency in the quality of products. They still have not created proper departments and agencies to monitor the safety and quality of products being exported to other countries. Also, you must remember that in some parts of China there is a lot of corruption, as there is corruption even in the US.

But give them time. China will get it right. A city the size of Manhattan is being built in China every year. They have a population of over one billion. They will prosper just by sheer number.

As far as exporting hazardous goods to us, some of the blame has to go to the U.S. importers who allow the defective products to come into our country without quality inspection, just so that they can make a quick buck. They know that there may be lead in the products, or that they might cause harm to kids, or that they will break easily. It's greed and unchecked capitalism that is the cause of our problems. It's greedy businessmen who are not thinking about you, and are waging war on us.

And America? It can't be waged war upon. America is an idea, an ideology...and it works. Regardless of how much our borders may change in the future, or how many different languages may be spoken here in the future, America will always be. Our country's name may change, and the "greenback" may get hints of purple, or change color entirely. But Money is Money.

It takes a certain kind of person to survive into the future. It takes a flexible person who understands what is necessary, and who doesn't get tied down by nationalistic pride and narrow-mindedness. What I'm planning to do is learn one or two languages so that I can survive. Maybe three. I said this all before though.

Isn't that how many from other countries survived? By learning English? What goes around comes around.

Most people in the world want to live like us. They want to have freedom and peace of mind, eat good food, and play with fun toys. It's human nature. At the heart, that is what America is all about. That can never be attacked. America can be taken over though, and the members of "The Club" can be replaced. The people who control things can be replaced while the system stays intact. This is probably the real worry of most.

My idea is to just position yourself so that you are balanced and so you don't fall when the earth shifts and the world changes.

This is exactly what Alan Greenspan was trying to tell us last week.



[edit on 22-9-2007 by windwaker]




posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
Socialism/Communism in it PURE form, is actually a great thing.

Think about it, no money, everything is free, everyone works together for the greater good.



You do realize that you would own nothing. Everything is run by the government and all your wages go to taxes or just taken by the government. How is this good? Nothing is free!! You work your butt off to pay for others. The government tells you where and who you will work for. How do you think the government pays for everything? Again, its not free, you are paying for it throught your sweat and money.

Sorry, but I will stick to capitalism where what I earn is mine except to pay for some essential services like the military. I don't want the government telling me who and where to work or how and when I should recieve medical care. Why should I pay for some lazy sack of garbage?



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 12:05 PM
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IMHO i think the reason china production has gotten dangerous because they are running out of raw material and such to manufacture their products... their only choice is to substitute the raw material with something else... america is not the only country receiving these dangerous imported goods, we just import more then anyother country and we also have factories there... jus my 2 cent


[edit on 22-9-2007 by IspyU]



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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I wouldn't even be suprise *if* we win the Iraq war, that they will be the next country to manufacture our goods and ect.

lets face it, our needs has fueled chinas power



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 12:23 PM
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USA and China are working in complete harmony and they have no plans to destroy one another. The rest of the world is big enough for those two to exploit for many years to come. They are partners in making the global capital work for them. It is an illusion created by the USA and China that they may be in conflict. They want the rest of the world to believe this scenario so that it becomes easier keep them in line.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 12:37 PM
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You are right marge. To win without fighting is best is waht Tzu said, and it does not break the will of those you with to invade. It creates a hatred towards a government and then the invading force can offer a difference and salvation from what is currently in play.

Right now, economically, the US needs China for all of the cheap goods. wal-Mart, dollar stores and close out stores are what allow the poor to survive and the rich to save money. All of that crap is from China. It used to be Japan and tiawan when I was younger, but it is now all from Japan.

We have become dependent on goods, if they take the goods away and then invade Taiwan, we will be too bust with domestic issues and the War on Terror to really make a difference. This may be why we are selling so many planes and advanced weaponry to Japan.

China is not decalring war on us, they want to BE us.



[edit on 22-9-2007 by esdad71]



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 01:02 PM
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Bingo! You are very much so, right Mr. Equinox. Who would fill the massive void left by the United States? You cant just replace a major piece of the global economy over night. Especially the architect of it all.

For the sake of conspiracy. Lets say china, russia, Iran, NK, etc. All mean to start a revolutionary type war. Where the ones who be in power now, fall from all there glory. The replacements, the ones in control of everything, would be the nations mentioned above, whilst the US and the EU are under there control of global supremacy. Things would have to get really bad before they could effectively 'take over'. More then likely, the global economy would have to be completely undone, and redone, to better fit the new nations. A global economic shakedown would fast ensue. So, I can see a possible, plausible conspiracy behind this.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 01:51 PM
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You are still thinking in the current mindset. I can understand. It is hard to break from the chains of what you know to see what is possible. This is the reason why I said it hasn't worked, and most likely won't for a long time.

You do realize, it doesn't have to be the way you say. In a PURE society, you could go for what you want, not be told what you can do. Everyone works together and for each other. Possessions? Well, since we make things for everyone, everyone has it. I'll admit, replicators would make it easier to achieve such enlightenment.

It doesn't have to be 'Alas, Babylon' ... it could be true idealism. You would truly rather have paper and metal? Can you not see that if everyone worked together, we would have everything? People who desire to create new technology, like Tesla, would do so and make things amazing ... people who like to toll in factories (of whom I know many) could do it. You don't see how easy McDonald's itself would be, if money were not involved? Can you not see how they would be fully staffed, since labor percentages and waste costs are no longer a factor? As smart as I am, I could handle McDonald's in such a life, because, I can come home to my loving family, in a place that is always well taken care of by professionals, with well running or new appliances, with abundance of food to have healthy meals, to associate with my fellow citizens because they are not in an angered state from bills and wants ... I could go on, but the point should be made. It doesn't have to be worst-case scenario if the TRUE meaning of that type of society is realized ... in fact, the true meaning of it is the best-case scenario ... anything else is a failure of the ideal.

What you have to do is take a step back and look at things with peace and harmony in your mind. From reading your posts elsewhere, that may be hard for you to do. You have formed your opinions of the world, most likely without spending time with the people you hate to make sure who they are. Blind hate is ridiculous.

This will sound weird, but I hope it makes the point of not discriminating against others you don't understand. As a child, we see everyone equal, there are no separate groups that we define people as, but we see them all as people. As we grow older, let's say middle/high school age, we see false groups form. Most of us have heard the terms - preps, hicks, stoners, geeks, jocks, etc. Some of these groups intermingle, but some of them are exclusive from each other. Now, some of these kids may have been friendly in the past. But really, they are all still human, still people. If you spent time in each of these groups, they all respect each other, they all have wants, wishes, dreams ... the only real division is an illusion. Knowing an individual, you may still see their life influence, but you see their human qualities ... the love, the sorrow, the anxiety, the fear ... they all smile, cry, laugh ... now ... this is still true as adults ... we are all the same, but, we have accepted a false belief that we are different from each other ... the names of the groups are different -republican, hippie, yuppie, liberal, american, chinese, german, italian, japanese, israeli, iranian, christian, buddhist, atheist ... but the illusion is the same, we are all flesh and blood, with family, friends, hopes, dreams, love, pain, fear, desire ... I just wish everyone could wake up to this.

There is a group of people who live out an example of this society, though you don't recognize it, and, it is becoming more rare today. If you look at a small tribe ... they have no money, yet, they live in a well-established, happy community. There are those who go for food, those who cook and care for children, those who heal ... all without money. Though your greed will say, that is no way to live! they have dirt under their feet ... well so do you if your floor is concrete. Their medicine isn't proven! Well, ours has proven side effects that are usually worse than the problem ... and we don't cure as much as we treat. The only thing that they don't have, that is really necessary is a water system including sewage. So, is that enough to hold you back from a utopia? Isn't everything else we claim we need a luxury? I admit, I like a/c ... but I can do without phones, internet ... i have done without tv ... but, if we are living in a free society, then the power is free to, the a/c units, the tvs, the pcs, internet connections, phones and lines, EVERYTHING is available to everyone ... not some restrictive non-sense that you tried to create with your post.


Do I see this happening any time soon? NO. Why? Because people believe the way you do. People are too attached to hording everything for themselves aka greed. Which, I just so happened to mention in my original post. Would you turn away the hand of your child if they are in need? Your mother? Do you realized that the people we leave in the streets starving is someone's child? The people you hate overseas are people's families?

Wake up and see what this world really is, that is all I am asking. I am not telling you to give up your freedom. I am not asking you to support tyrants. I am asking you to open your eyes, form your own opinions on information you gather. Realize that hate only brings more hate. If you wish to criticize Islam as you do, than, you better well have studied the Qu'ran, taking comparative religions courses, etc. If you are going to criticize Christianity and Judaism, you better have read the New Testament and the Old Testament, translated from the oldest text, or have read the Greek and Hebrew text.

Ignorance would be forming an opinion without due research. Ignorance is prevalent in the world today, especially in my once beautiful and loving country. It makes me sad, and makes me wish to move away. Which I might do one day regardless of the state of things ... since, living elsewhere always brings new perspectives and insights. Don't worry, my desire is to go to an ally, the one we nuked, btw. The only one to be nuked during war, by the country who tries to stop others from having 'nuclear power' plants.

Please stop all the hate and mistrust.

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China could destroy us at any time if they wished, which is why I think they won't.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 02:27 PM
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Yes and also the computer hacking..ect. Economic threats you name it.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 02:31 PM
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But the real Chinese conspiracy is with Walmart. It strikes right at heart of capitalism..Americans blindly buy cheapest products from Walmart- putting dollars into Chinese hands to upgrade their war machine. Brillent



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 02:42 PM
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Discuss this all you wish.China is the biggest threat to the world there ever will be.they bide their time but their hordes will move into the middle east.I Laugh at the euro-communists who ridicule the U.S.If the chinese get to you you'd love their rule,lmfao!!!!



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 02:57 PM
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Yes, I see China new way of wagging war but I feel that they have learned from us and now they have gotten better than us, because America is too busy to take notice.

Is our nation getting careless with China while fighting terror in the Middle East?

We have a government that is manipulated by lobbyist from all over international and from within our government trying to get their will as a priority.

The companies doing business in China and reaping the benefits of cheap labor with record profits do not want to stop the money source so they do what they are good at, paying congress to oversee the problems that may be emerging.

Is not doubt that China wants US supremacy seat in the world, while our nation’s national debt gets dipper China is emerging.

I see nothing but trouble times ahead.

And at the end the solution in the table may be actually war against China, a communist country with financial power after our nation and many countries in Europe had fought against communism will never be allowed to grow.

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Actually, china may be more than involve in our economy with one trillion dollar in international markets it wasn't until last month that we actually find out how deep they were in the house markets after denials.

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I agree but this oversight is beneficial by the companies doing business with China.

US agencies are also at fault here, perhaps because is not money for them to keep up with inspections of the imports.

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Yes I have seen the article on Mattel apology, I just found out about that issue here in my own thread.


But remember like you quoted me, is also a war of deception



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 02:58 PM
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Thanks for the post, I enjoyed reading it, people sometimes think that a nation like china with a communist regime are full of people living in huts.

Most people in China specially the military elite are well educated in the arts of war, thanks to a very long and colorful history of warfare.

They learned well from their own ancesters.


reply to post by windwaker
 


While the oppressed working force in China will love to have freedoms and equality, right now the emerging new elite are making sure that the richest stay with them.

The corruption going around and behind the regime is growing but rather than making the people raise and fight communism is cementing a new type of rule, this one is buying the local governments to keep the workers as slaves.

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Interesting point I didn't think of that possibility before, thanks for the imput.


I wonder who supplies China with raw materials.

reply to post by esdad71
 


Yes I agree, but at the same time they are aiming to have supremacy over US, remember that US use to be the richest nation in the world because it was the biggest producer in the world.

Now we are a nation of spenders and what we are getting is not the good US made goods that we were proud to produce once upon a time, but now we are getting cheap goods that by standards would never be able to compare what we used to produced.

People do not want quality they want cheap.

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Yes that is the danger China is a threat the biggest threat even more than terrorism, because they are communist and the economical boost thanks to US is not helping change that fact is creating growing power that could grow in a powerful communist influence around the world.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 04:09 PM
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Exactly, Those who but on the cheap need it to survive and those that spend 700.00 on a trip to Wal MArt each week close another local store each day. We are to become a land of absolutely no goods unless you will pay a premium. I could see the US in a situation such as socialism setting in as the government will have to step in. The dollar and you FICO score will mean nothing. Gas will be 5.50 a gallon and a loaf of bread 4.00. It can happen. IMagine if you had not the choice to buy cheap as Wal-MArt, and had to spend twice as much on food as you do now. Diapers? anything....

I think that they are waiting till we have spread ourselves too thin, thinner than now, and there is another terror/wartime strike in the US, and they will tak Taiwan and make Japan bow. They could wipe out NK and control it without much fanfare and have a southern front to SK now with less US presence.

It is a scary world out there, but I think China has over 300 Starbuccks now so everything is cool.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 04:15 PM
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I started a similar thread a while back that didn't get any traction.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Yes, I think some of what they are doing is purposeful in order to weaken us in future generations, both economically and physically.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 05:04 PM
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We're actually required under international law to come to the defense of Taiwan should a foreign army set foot with malicious intent on Taiwanese soil. This is the fundamental principal under the Taiwan Relations Act.

Here are some direct quotes from the US department of State website:





(4) to consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States;

(5) to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character; and

(6) to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan.
(c) Nothing contained in this Act shall contravene the interest of the United States in human rights, especially with respect to the human rights of all the approximately eighteen million inhabitants of Taiwan. The preservation and enhancement of the human rights of all the people on Taiwan are hereby reaffirmed as objectives of the United States.


So it is pretty interesting to see if China decides to test the waters. If they do actually send military presence to occupy Taiwan and we don't do anything, the International community will be witness to our "weakness" in the face of China's power play. If we do act against China, it would undoubtedly throw us into WWIII and we'd have to abandon any ideas of remaining in the middle east or defending Israel in the face of an Iranian attack...
So who knows...



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 06:30 PM
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China is not yet ready to go to war with U.S,,i think there still good 5-10 years away from challenging United States militarily,,reasons are that they still dont have a single air craft carrier in their disposal and most of their weapons are russian made and are out of date. if they are to fix those things with the current economic development they might become a new superpower in the world. after that it might be interesting to see how things work out but for now they will continue to challenge U.S economically.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 06:48 PM
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Having read a couple of pages in this thread couldn't one assume that this "war" is not a bout China, but about the greed of corporations?
Jobs have been taken away from Americans and Canadians and given to people in China.......and India........Taiwan etc.
Isn't this capitalism coming back to bite people in the a$$?Wal-Mart is one of the biggest contributors to this problem yet people line up to buy all their cheap made in China crap only to replace the items in a short period of time.
Quality has gone by the wayside and the lowest price is the law.
I for one refuse to shop at Wal-Mart and I do my best to buy Canadian or American made goods.The initial price might be higher but I save in the long run.
I'm not an advocate of China by any means, I'm just trying to point out that this "war" might be our own doing, and one that China will definitely and purposely take advantage of.
China has money because they are fiscally responsible and that money comes from super consumers in North America.

[edit on 22-9-2007 by citizen truth]



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 07:11 PM
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agreed, for big companies its all about money, they dont care about the quality or i dont think they even consider about what will happen in the future. U.S should be really carefull about Outsourcing jobs to a country like china, if things carry on like this major comapnies like walmart might just go into chinese hands, and gradually china will eat up united states for their own benefits.



posted on Sep, 22 2007 @ 07:25 PM
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Yes you are right US will protect Taiwan

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Sorry I missed your post I guess because I did the search under for a different title.

reply to post by donthizz
 


When it comes to the position of supremacy, we may find China, Russia with Venezuela, Iran and India next.

reply to post by citizen truth
 


I agree with you, globalization and the outsourcing of what use to be Americans precious economical base, what made this nation great, is gone forever. This puts our nation in a very precarious and very weak position to emerging economic powers as Communist China.

You made a good point and thanks for bring it up, China has money, they have no deficit like we do and they can buy, lobby, or afford anything from America.

The only tool our nation has is the power of buying and as you can see our markets and the dollar is reflecting a very bad image.



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